Jimmy Johnson to this day could out-scheme any offense

John813 · Feb 3, 2020

xwalker said:
The owner refused to let Jimmy dump Marino.

Marino had power over the locker-room.

Jimmy's style required Jimmy to be the unrivaled leader over the players.

Once the owner balked, Jimmy stepped back to let his buddy Dave Wannstedt take over and eventually become the new Head Coach.

Jerry never interfered with Jimmy. The Dolphins owner did interfere. Ironic...

What if Jerry had said Herschel Walker was "untouchable" like the Dolphins owner did with Mario?

At that point Marino was 2019 Jason Witten...previously great player but hanging on well past his time.

He wanted to retire and resigned in Jan of 1999. He was convinced to coach for the 1999 season by Marino and they allowed him to hire Dave W for his DC.

From what I've seen is when a coach or player wants to retire but comes back, usually it doesn't with a story book finish.

His relationship with Dan fell apart that season even more early on and the team limped into the playoffs after a hot start.

Remember being excited after they shutout the eventual AFC Champ Titans 17-0 and then just fell apart.

Chuck 54 · Feb 3, 2020

Johnson stayed nowhere long. Players loved him because they won. But even Jimmy admits that his style wears on players after awhile. He is a Beverly smart man that knew whether it was Jerry or the players, he had risen to the pinnacle of coaching and would soon have started down the other side. The same was true of Parcells in NY

InTheZone · Feb 3, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
Yes, lets go back and zing every HOF coach on their worst game and let that define them........forget the back to back Super Bowl wins. I think Landry lost to the Bears 44-0 in the 80's. Get him out!

lol I knew someone was going to respond like this. All I'm saying is that he went out on that game.

cowboyed · Feb 3, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
Jimmy did not scheme anything, he let his very good coaching staff do that.
Jimmy was great but some fans have a short memory, or heck many was too young to remember. Jimmy was just as lucky as he was good in the draft. As well as some trades. Some of the best players he got was from failed trades. Like Emmitt. He tried to trade up twice for a LB, then settled for Emmitt basically.

As also posted. Jimmy wanted out and even said as much, he wanted the start up Jaquars coaching gig.
Heck before that he wanted the Dolphins job, as he never wanted to leave Florida.
I was living in South FL at the time, he wanted to take over for Shula. But the extended his contract, so he took the job with Dallas. The Jaguars were named a team, so he wanted that job to get back to FL.

He never stayed anywhere longer than 5 years. He was ready to move on. And pushed Jerry's buttons to make it happen.

That is the solid truth jazzcat22. Jerry demanded absolute loyalty and Jimmy was not going to be locked into a career long head coaching situation. The friendship and working relationship deteriorated.
And the irony is that the Jaguars he coveted to head coach for at one point in time beat his Dolphins team 62-7 senseless. That was abject humiliation for Jimmy. He never coached again after that game and season.

VaqueroTD · Feb 3, 2020

GMO415 said:
Listen to our Coach. Even Belichick says Jimmy's secondary scheme could bewilder today's offense.

Jerry should be ashamed that he let this brain trust out his building.

I always enjoy watching the great coaches talk about their philosophies on success. Thanks for posting.

atlantacowboy · Feb 3, 2020

InTheZone said:
lol I knew someone was going to respond like this. All I'm saying is that he went out on that game.

It was a fitting end to feud with Marino who played his worst playoff game ever. Johnson had the pleasure of yanking him in the 3rd quarter as one of his final acts as a coach.

Its ridiculous that we even debate the greatness of Jimmy Johnson on a board of cowboy fans. It angers me greatly when folks who are probably too young to remember that era anyway try to argue Johnson wasn't the primary architect of our 90's dynasty and use his stint in Miami (about which they usually know nothing) as their primary argument. Its not even up for debate and him being inducted into the HOF is further evidence of who was responsible for that team b/c he sure didn't get the nod based on anything he did in Miami.

big dog cowboy · Feb 3, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
While its true Jimmy wanted to return to Florida at some point, there is absolutely no evidence that was going to happen in the middle of the super bowl runs.

You mean, other than the evidence that Jimmy himself said so?

He made it VERY clear that 5 years was his limit.

InTheZone · Feb 3, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
It was a fitting end to feud with Marino who played his worst playoff game ever. Johnson had the pleasure of yanking him in the 3rd quarter as one of his final acts as a coach.

Its ridiculous that we even debate the greatness of Jimmy Johnson and a board of cowboy fans. It angers me greatly when folks who are probably too young to remember that era anyway try to argue Johnson wasn't the primary architect of our 90's dynasty and use his stint in Miami (about which they usually know nothing) as their primary argument. Its not even up for debate and him being inducted into the HOF is further evidence of who was responsible for that team b/c he sure didn't get the nod based on anything he did in Miami.

I'm not dismissing his achievements, just stirring the pot with another perspective.

atlantacowboy · Feb 3, 2020

InTheZone said:
I'm not dismissing his achievements, just stirring the pot with another perspective.

A greatly flawed perspective which should be muted with the HOF nod serving as its final dismissal.

atlantacowboy · Feb 3, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
You mean, other than the evidence that Jimmy himself said so?

He made it VERY clear that 5 years was his limit.

He said a lot of things but they all came AFTER the blow up with Jerry. He had a non-disclosure agreement he signed as part of his contract buyout. So, he couldn't be honest and had to invent an alternative narrative.

Kaiser · Feb 3, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
He said a lot of things but they all came AFTER the blow up with Jerry. He had a non-disclosure agreement he signed as part of his contract buyout. So, he couldn't be honest and had to invent an alternative narrative.

So his non-disclosure agreement was a non-truth agreement that let him make stuff up?

I think this was an episode of Judge Judy and the Jimmy fanatic lost the case.

Doomsay · Feb 3, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Not to side rail this thread, but you know Jimmy had already decided to leave before all that went down...right?

Retrospectively, of course.

TheSkaven · Feb 3, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:
Do you honestly think that team was just handed to him like that?! Johnson had an ability to find talent in the draft, make savvy trades (namely, the trade of Walker which yielded six high draft picks and a number of players from the Vikings), and by signing quality players such as Novacek as free agents in the age before the NFL had imposed a salary cap.

That would make him a great GM but not a great football coach.

GMO415 · Feb 4, 2020

Bob-Lillys-War said:
Why not ? He was the the strategic man responsible for the SBs in Dallas ? Why didn't he do that in Miami ?

Jerry did nothing.

Why did Jimmy have no 'running team' in miami ? he knew how to win SBs, didn't he?

Jimmy picked all the players, did everything from coaching to GM in dallas, won SBs. What happened ?

Couldn't Jimmy just pick another running team ?

He wanted to get rid of Marino but the owners/GM shut him down.

GMO415 · Feb 4, 2020

TheSkaven said:
I love Jimmy Johnson, I really do, but let's not turn him into a god here. He's a very good football coach, but that team was probably the most talented roster ever put together in the NFL. We know this because Switzer went on to win a Super Bowl with that team (and to the NFC Championship game the year before).

And what did Jimmy Johnson do in Miami?

That's right, he got to the playoffs and was blown out 62-7. Sixty-Two.

This site is in Spanish, but check out the comparison of numbers between the two: https://www.vamoscowboys.com/jimmy-johnson/

Did you know that Jimmy Johnson only won his division twice in nine seasons?

Let's keep it real guys.

No denying that 92 could compete with any tram from any decade. They'd mop the floor with the 2020 Chiefs.

TheSkaven · Feb 4, 2020

GMO415 said:
No denying that 92 could compete with any tram from any decade. They'd mop the floor with the 2020 Chiefs.

Yep. Wouldn’t even be close. Heck that 1992 Bills team that they beat would also mop the floor with the 2020 Chiefs.

The 1992 Cowboys are the best NFL team of all time.

cowboyed · Feb 4, 2020

TheSkaven said:
Yep. Wouldn’t even be close. Heck that 1992 Bills team that they beat would also mop the floor with the 2020 Chiefs.

The 1992 Cowboys are the best NFL team of all time.

I don't know... From a sentimental point of view I would love to believe that our 1992 team could beat the 2020 Chiefs team but it is almost 3 decades later and the game, coaching and physicality of the players has evolved as well. The players these days are faster, stronger and better football schooled. There are also more tools in game for coaches and players to gain better perspectives in real time during the game. More access to information and better training and conditioning, rehabilitation from injury facilities.

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