CSN: Try to locate Dak Prescott and his identical twin brother Andy Dalton on this chart

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Yeah... Unfortunately stats don't factor in opponents.. Dak was great against garbage teams.

We saw how he did in big games.. We've seen the post season success he has had under his Rookie contract. (virtually none)

If Dak was one of the best NFL QB's we easily make the playoffs.

If charts like this are your proof that Dak is awesome then why not try to get Derek Carr.

If I can get Carr for 25 or Dak for 35-40 then give me Carr.
 

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I’m Confused DAk is right next to Watson and Jimmy G.

He isn’t even close to dalton.

Am I missing something ?
I think that is the point they are trying to make. Someone somewhere is probably trying to make the case that Dak is no better than Dalton, which obviously isn't the case. But this chart still puts Dak in the 9-12 range and absolutely outside the top 5.

Tier 1 in 2019:
Jackson
Mahomes
Tannehill
Brees

Tier 2 in 2019
Stafford
Cousins
Carr
Wilson

Tier 3 in 2019
Garoppolo
Prescott
Watson
Rivers
Ryan
 

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Basically it's an estimate of the value of a possession (based on down, distance, field position and how many points teams have scored next historically) and how it changes after each play.
 

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Yeah... Unfortunately stats don't factor in opponents.. Dak was great against garbage teams.

We saw how he did in big games.. We've seen the post season success he has had under his Rookie contract. (virtually none)

If Dak was one of the best NFL QB's we easily make the playoffs.

If charts like this are your proof that Dak is awesome then why not try to get Derek Carr.

If I can get Carr for 25 or Dak for 35-40 then give me Carr.
Yeah... Unfortunately stats don't factor in opponents.. Dak was great against garbage teams.

We saw how he did in big games.. We've seen the post season success he has had under his Rookie contract. (virtually none)

If Dak was one of the best NFL QB's we easily make the playoffs.

If charts like this are your proof that Dak is awesome then why not try to get Derek Carr.

If I can get Carr for 25 or Dak for 35-40 then give me Carr.

SF had 6 takeaways in 3 losses. 2/game
KC had 5 takeaways in 4 losses. 1.25/game
We had 4 takeaways in 8 losses. .5/game

Yep Dak sucks. :thumbup:
 

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SF had 6 takeaways in 3 losses. 2/game
KC had 5 takeaways in 4 losses. 1.25/game
We had 4 takeaways in 8 losses. .5/game

Yep Dak sucks. :thumbup:

He doesn't suck..

He's slightly above average and not worth big money. We need a lot of things to ever win with him as our QB and it's basically proven you can't give a QB big money and provide all the things they need to win a championship also.

Quality QB play for cheap is needed. We will get slightly above average QB play for a lot.
 

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Yeah... Unfortunately stats don't factor in opponents.. Dak was great against garbage teams.

We saw how he did in big games.. We've seen the post season success he has had under his Rookie contract. (virtually none)

If Dak was one of the best NFL QB's we easily make the playoffs.

If charts like this are your proof that Dak is awesome then why not try to get Derek Carr.

If I can get Carr for 25 or Dak for 35-40 then give me Carr.
Carr' awful. He took the Raiders to only one playoff (and got hurt) and then they gave him the big payday only to be a under .500 team from there on.

A friend of mine is a huge Raiders fan and they can't stand Carr anymore and want him gone. He's another Wentzie. :laugh:
 

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SF had 6 takeaways in 3 losses. 2/game
KC had 5 takeaways in 4 losses. 1.25/game
We had 4 takeaways in 8 losses. .5/game

Yep Dak sucks. :thumbup:
I do think Dak takes too much blame for loses, just like Romo did. Dak's shoulder the last 6 weeks is a big factor in my opinion -- Catch is probably right that if Dak playing with accuracy he had in the first half of the season we probably make the playoffs.

Still, do we go far? I just think the way we build a team is fundamentally flawed. Jerry is still trying to win by having superior talent, which the salary cap is specifically designed to eliminate. Sign top talent to big deals and fill in holes with high risk reward players who either sizzle out or aren't on the field. 25 years later should prove this isn't a winning formula.
 

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Carr sucks. He took the Raiders to only one playoff (and got hurt) and then they gave him the big payday only to be a under .500 team there on.

A friend of mine is a huge Raiders fan and they can't stand Carr anymore and want him gone. He's another Wentzie. :laugh:

He doesn't suck.

He's about like Dak.

I don't think there is 1 NFL GM that would take Dak over Wentz either. That is some fan generated crap that only a Cowboy fan would say.

I think there is quite a few GM who would take Carr over Dak.. At least a handful... Especially if you factor in Cap Space.

IMO Dak > Carr - Dak 35 mill < Carr 25 mill
 
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