Why the Cowboys should stay with Dak, they can't draft one better

DandyDon52 · Feb 5, 2020

jterrell said:
Mahomes was a once in a decade raw talent.
I am not stating this just NOW btw but stated previously how much insanely better he was as a college kid than Baker Mayfield who eventually went 1st overall.

Mahomes has one of the strongest arms int he history of the game but also has a feel with his arm only baseball players have. Weird angles and no look stuff just part of an arsenal he has been building since a small kid.

He was a freak in baseball, basketball and then finally took up football late in high school and well that was super easy too.

At Tech he was seen as a 2 sport baseball first guy but Kliff developed him TOO well. He eventually gave up easy millions in baseball and focused on football.
On a team with no OL/TE to speak of he averaged 50 points a game.

When he came out I said, that's the one guy you give up Dak for.

But since Dak entered the draft there is literally just that one guy.
I wouldn't prefer Watson, the redhead with the Jets, Wentz, Goff...
I might prefer Lamar Jackson but not quite making that call after 1 good season by LJ.

So you don't just go find a QB in the draft.

Well free agency right??
LOL. No.
I can't recall the last true FA QB who made the Super Bowl.
Foles, I guess, and we know he only did part of the job.
Season long starter to make the Super Bowl at FA?
No idea.

But Brady!!!
Tom Brady is the QB version of Jason Witten. He is excellent in mnay ways but also well past his athletic prime. He has tricks and tools he can use but the overall player he is falls daily.

Bridgewater is great!!
Teddy B is a really good young QB option.
Someone will pay him a fortune.
But main issue there is he has started 16 games 1 time in his career.
Dak is supremely available and physically stout.
Teddy B is not.

Matt Stafford tho!!!
Stafford is a Dallas kid and he brings a quality arm and a large athletic build to play.
So why not?? Stafford will be 32 and hasn't won more than 9 games since 2014. He's 10 games under .500 as a starting QB.
He has some tools but he hasn't produced many wins.

I mean maybe he can get a couple years in NE with Belichick and win. Would be nice for him. But no team should bet their future or even right now on him short of a known win farm.

But picks plus cap space is great!!!
Kinda is!
But how quickly would you trade Taco Charlton, LVE and ZEKE for Pat Mahomes?
That's the value of a QB.
It trumps any other position by far.

Teams don't win when they play around at QB.

good post

DandyDon52 · Feb 5, 2020

Bullflop said:
I'd say there's a fair to middling chance that the Cowboys can, at least, draft a QB that can outdo Cooper Rush.

That, in itself, would probably amount to a step in the right direction, whether that's for a mid-round pick or later.

Of course, if he somehow happened to prove himself equal or better than Dak, congrats would be in order!

The only problem there is your using a pick for a guy who probably wont play and more likely than not be another
rush.
I think they should pick all defense, unless some standout off player falls down to them.
If a qb that they like goes unpicked, then yeah grab him. But other wise concentrate on def players.

If Dallas adds a few def players that can play right away, the def could be pretty good with new coaches.

Doomsday101 · Feb 6, 2020

Brax said:
Simple , Jerry Jones, the one constant factor for 25 years, with out the Offe

We get it when the team does good Dak is the best, yet all of a sudden when the L’s pile up Dak needs talent. At the beginning of the season I don’t remember complaints about the talent so now after 8-8 the talent sucks and Dak is still great so as I see it you are saying that top talent at most O positions isn’t enough to prop Dak up, so what type of talent does it take to make it Dak survivable?

No Dak shares in it, just as any other player or QB. Frankly Dallas did not play well enough or consistent enough in all phases of the game. Offense, defense and special team at certain points failed us. So much so it cost the coaching staff their jobs. I think this team has the talent and many who cover the NFL felt this team had the talent but they never played up to that talent level.

CyberB0b · Feb 6, 2020

bewp7 said:
u may be right or wrong, but this type of thought process is why teams end up paying huge money to avg/above avg quarterbacks and suffer for it.

The entire league does it. Dak will get paid somewhere.

Bullflop · Feb 6, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
The only problem there is your using a pick for a guy who probably wont play and more likely than not be another
rush.
I think they should pick all defense, unless some standout off player falls down to them.
If a qb that they like goes unpicked, then yeah grab him. But other wise concentrate on def players.

If Dallas adds a few def players that can play right away, the def could be pretty good with new coaches.

That's taking a lot for granted -- Rush was an undrafted free agent, if memory serves me correctly. A mid round pick could easily be someone to replace him. Even one later than that might very possibly have a better talent level. He doesn't really have that much of an NFL arm, although he's fairly accurate. I'm pretty sure we'll get our defensive players the earliest and most likely tend to the others later. I'm not at all sure he'd work out well if he had to replace Dak for extended period of time. Dak has already had shoulder trouble, so getting someone who could back him up well isn't a bad idea at all.

OmerV · Feb 6, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Don’t have to draft one better.

Saving 40 million a year could get by with less if it affords a greater supporting cast.

Where does this $40 million # keep coming from? We have nothing to verify that either Dak is asking that, or the Cowboys are willing to consider that.

That said, sure, if we could draft a QB that would be as good, or close to it, as Dak, that would be reasonable to consider, but it is far from certain we could do that well. We could just as easily shoot ourselves in the foot for years to come. There are a lot of 1st round QBs that are utter failures.

Diehardblues · Feb 6, 2020

OmerV said:
Where does this $40 million # keep coming from? We have nothing to verify that either Dak is asking that, or the Cowboys are willing to consider that.

That said, sure, if we could draft a QB that would be as good, or close to it, as Dak, that would be reasonable to consider, but it is far from certain we could do that well. We could just as easily shoot ourselves in the foot for years to come. There are a lot of 1st round QBs that are utter failures.

Most of those top draft bust go to bottom feeder teams. I wonder how Dakster would have done in Miami or Cincy for example.

And if we missed could easily step up to the plate again or provide insurance with a journeyman or aging veteran in FA.

OmerV · Feb 6, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Most of those top draft bust go to bottom feeder teams. I wonder how Dakster would have done in Miami or Cindy for example.

And if we missed could easily step up to the plate again or provide insurance with a journeyman or aging veteran in FA.

There is some truth to that, but the fact remains that they are the best prospects, and guys drafted middle to late in the first round are even less likely to be successful.

Diehardblues · Feb 6, 2020

OmerV said:
There is some truth to that, but the fact remains that they are the best prospects, and guys drafted middle to late in the first round are even less likely to be successful.

There’s exceptions there too like Rodgers who comes to mind. There again taking over not a bottom feeder.

And even earlier later rounds like 2nd and 3rd might have a greater chance of impact on a ready to contend team. It’s how Wilson and Brady , even our boy Romo although undrafted was in a better position to make immediate impacts going to better teams.

Diehardblues · Feb 6, 2020

If I was a NFL team I’d follow the same thinking with QB’s as the rest of team. Unless they are Elite talent, Adios after Rookie contract.

The key to success in this Cap era is continued excellent drafting as rosters need to be constantly churning. Can’t rest you’re laurels in a few good drafts as the Cap will eventually chop it up.

It’s windows aren’t open long and we haven’t seen the Dynasty type teams this era with the exception of Generational talented QB’s who are able to elevate lesser talent to stay in contention.

Doomsday101 · Feb 6, 2020

Andy Reid may have some left in the tank. LOL

Supercowboy1986 · Feb 6, 2020

49ers went this route with jimmy g and came back runner up.

49ers supporting cast is/was better but I do not believe there is a “one size fits all” approach to winning a Sb.

In fact, I don’t know what it would take and what the optimal strategy is because history and trends contradicts itself often; especially in football with it being a copy cat league.

Diehardblues said:
Don’t have to draft one better.

Saving 40 million a year could get by with less if it affords a greater supporting cast.

DandyDon52 · Feb 7, 2020

Supercowboy1986 said:
49ers went this route with jimmy g and came back runner up.

49ers supporting cast is/was better but I do not believe there is a “one size fits all” approach to winning a Sb.

In fact, I don’t know what it would take and what the optimal strategy is because history and trends contradicts itself often; especially in football with it being a copy cat league.

SF only lost due to shanahan being real bad in the SB game, I could not believe his play calling and strategy at times.
He gave the game to KC.

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