CSN: Try to locate Dak Prescott and his identical twin brother Andy Dalton on this chart

StarBoyz83 · Feb 6, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
Dak is the best Cowboys QB since Aikman. Don't @ me

Lol no

CATCH17 · Feb 6, 2020

Qcard said:
You speak as if you know any of the "GMs" in the NFL..
There are at least 5-7 GMs that would give Dak $32-$35 per season if he where free agent today. Even Shannon and Nick Wright of FS1,Dak's biggest critics and Wentz's lovers stated Dak is worth market value.

So the Carr over Dak comparison is flawed because Dak's has more value...based on last 4 seasons

I understand there are GM's that would make stupid football decisions like that.

I'm not arguing over his market value unless the Cowboys say he is worth Russell Wilson money.

My argument is that his money basically gives us no shot at building the team around him that he requires.

You same guys wanting to pay him are the same guys wanting to put the blame on every aspect of our team except him.

He won 1 playoff game in 4 years... Like come on.. Most of these QB's that are getting paid like him at least went to a Superbowl. That's why they are getting paid like that.

We have 0 proof this guy can manage a team through the playoffs and get to the Superbowl.

StarBoyz83 · Feb 6, 2020

rocyaice said:
Facts. After Dak I’ll say Romo.

Lol ya not facts

CATCH17 · Feb 6, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Cowboys have made the playoffs 2 out of 4 years since Dak has been here. Played great in plenty of big games. In fact, played great in 2 out of the last 3 games which were all were for the playoffs. Rams and Commanders. ONLY game he played poorly was the Eagles game and if you recall his shoulder was injured and didnt practice all week.

Or dont you remember? Oh wait, that doesnt suit your agenda.

Lead the NFL in last drive victories his first 3 years. 40-24 is the Cowboys record under Dak.

Looks like your stupid comments just get blown out of the water every time troll.

I'm trying to win a Championship.. You're trying to validate Dak's pay when he hasn't sniffed it. He has proven he isn't good enough without a great team around him. :dance:

CowboyRoy · Feb 6, 2020

CATCH17 said:
I'm trying to win a Championship.. You're trying to validate Dak's pay when he hasn't sniffed it.

You are trying to win a championship by cutting a to 10 QB that is getting better every year? LOL

Dont need that kind of stupid advice. Cant imagine how bad you are going to cry when Dak signs for 5 more years. :lmao2:

Dak has earned every penny. Its the "lost a step" fat drunk Zeke idiot that hasnt sniffed it.

CATCH17 · Feb 6, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
You are trying to win a championship by cutting a to 10 QB that is getting better every year? LOL

Dont need that kind of stupid advice. Cant imagine how bad you are going to cry when Dak signs for 5 more years.

Dak has earned every penny. Its the "lost a step" fat drunk Zeke idiot that hasnt sniffed it.

I've explained a thousand times this week why paying a mediocre QB like he is elite doesn't win you titles.

I'm not explaining it again for you. You'll just have to learn on your own and make excuses when he doesn't.

TheMarathonContinues · Feb 6, 2020

StarBoyz83 said:
Lol ya not facts

I like Romo and Dak man it’s no hate I just gotta call it how I see it.

TheMarathonContinues · Feb 6, 2020

CATCH17 said:
I've explained a thousand times this week why paying a mediocre QB like he is elite doesn't win you titles.

I'm not explaining it again for you. You'll just have to learn on your own and make excuses when he doesn't.

Well I think what he’s saying is Dak hasn’t hit his ceiling. He’s gotten better every year he’s been in the league. So you are also paying for ceiling as well. If his ceiling was Andy Dalton or Tony Romo id agree with you. But his ceiling is higher.

dckid · Feb 6, 2020

CATCH17 said:
He doesn't suck..

He's slightly above average and not worth big money. We need a lot of things to ever win with him as our QB and it's basically proven you can't give a QB big money and provide all the things they need to win a championship also.

Quality QB play for cheap is needed. We will get slightly above average QB play for a lot.

Great summary. Average to above average but wants top dollar. That is why we have this problem.

Qcard · Feb 6, 2020

CATCH17 said:
I understand there are GM's that would make stupid football decisions like that.

I'm not arguing over his market value unless the Cowboys say he is worth Russell Wilson money.

My argument is that his money basically gives us no shot at building the team around him that he requires.

You same guys wanting to pay him are the same guys wanting to put the blame on every aspect of our team except him.

He won 1 playoff game in 4 years... Like come on.. Most of these QB's that are getting paid like him at least went to a Superbowl. That's why they are getting paid like that.

We have 0 proof this guy can manage a team through the playoffs and get to the Superbowl.

Therein lies your problem....Market Value for QBs is not only what have you done lately (eg. Dak's last 4 seasons) but also includes projections/potential.
Now you can argue YOUR opinion but by all QB metrics Dak deserves a market value QB contract... it's very simple just Facts no opinion.
If winning Superbowls and playoff performance was the sole factor for paying QBs then Minnesota, San Fran, Eagles and Saints (yes Brees was a gamble) GMs are living in an alternate universe.

All QBs need help so save me the Franchise QBs "make other players better" argument because... Garapolo, Cousins and Wentz cap number didn't stop good GMs and coaches from pursuing top players.

The cap is constantly growing within 2 seasons Dak's cap hit will decrease as a percentage of the cap.

Don't use bad GM decisions on other players to short change a QBs value

CATCH17 · Feb 6, 2020

rocyaice said:
Well I think what he’s saying is Dak hasn’t hit his ceiling. He’s gotten better every year he’s been in the league. So you are also paying for ceiling as well. If his ceiling was Andy Dalton or Tony Romo id agree with you. But his ceiling is higher.

Ok, well that is your opinion that his ceiling is higher then Tony Romo.. Whatever though.. Be that guy..

Pay him for what you think he will be... Then don't make excuses when the team around him isn't good enough to win a title.

All these QB's getting paid have teams that have won or gone to the Superbowl.

Also, I think the Goff and Wentz deal are dumb as well but at least Philly got their Superbowl.. LA is DONE and we are following in their footsteps without the same amount of success as they had.

Dreski · Feb 6, 2020

rocyaice said:
I like Romo and Dak man it’s no hate I just gotta call it how I see it.

They both gave us pretty special moments! I loved watching Romo get excited on the turf after they beat the Lions in the playoffs and I loved watching Dak help lead the team to a playoff win against Seattle last year. Hopefully Dak keeps up the hard work! :thumbup:

CATCH17 · Feb 6, 2020

Qcard said:
Therein lies your problem....Market Value for QBs not only what have you done lately (eg. Dak's last 4 seasons) and projections/potential.
Now you can argue YOUR opinion but by all QB metrics Dak deserves a market value QB contract... it's very simple just Facts no opinion.
If winning Superbowls and playoff performance was the sole factor for paying QBs then Minnesota, San Fran, Eagles and Saints (yes Brees was a gamble) GMs are living in an alternate universe.

All QBs need help so save me the Franchise QBs "make other players better" argument because... Garapolo, Cousins and Wentz cap number didn't stop good GMs and coaches from pursuing top players.

The cap is constantly growing within 2 seasons Dak's cap hit will decrease as a percentage of the cap.

Don't use bad GM decisions on other players to short change a QBs value

Fiiine... Pay the market value and tell our Superbowl chances bye bye.

He is replaceable.. He's not some elite QB that the team relies on to win games.

His 20ish TD's and 10 ish INT's is replaceable.

You guys tell me how great he is and we couldnt make the playoffs in a year where we had a superior team.

So going forward its going to get better with him making more money and the roster taking a hit? Please.

We'll all learn the hard way though. Tony Romo's contract didn't teach you guys a lesson. Maybe you will pay attention this time.

Or you could just look around the league and tell me how it's going for everyone paying their elite - mediocre QB a fortune.

Runwildboys · Feb 6, 2020

rocyaice said:
Well I think what he’s saying is Dak hasn’t hit his ceiling. He’s gotten better every year he’s been in the league. So you are also paying for ceiling as well. If his ceiling was Andy Dalton or Tony Romo id agree with you. But his ceiling is higher.

And if it isn't, paying him that much is a big mistake. That's why I wish we could have a year with Big Mac before breaking out the checkbook.

Aerolithe_Lion · Feb 6, 2020

Ebnorice said:
I’m Confused DAk is right next to Watson and Jimmy G.

He isn’t even close to dalton.

Am I missing something ?

And Wentz is sandwiched between Rodgers and Brady. Is that the ‘bad QB bracket’? 3 guys with 1 WR between them to throw to?

pansophy · Feb 6, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
Dak is the best Cowboys QB since Aikman. Don't @ me

Let's assume that is true -- does it matter? https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/af283d/percentage_of_salary_cap_taken_up_by_super_bowl/

This link doesn't make the case that paying Dak is a death warrant to winning, but don't think any of the winning QBs that took up a big portion of the cap also had a RB doing the same. I would have paid Dak and not Zeke myself. Still I think it's interesting that Wilson and now Mahomes will have won on the rookie deals.

jrumann59 · Feb 6, 2020

pansophy said:
I think that is the point they are trying to make. Someone somewhere is probably trying to make the case that Dak is no better than Dalton, which obviously isn't the case. But this chart still puts Dak in the 9-12 range and absolutely outside the top 5.

Tier 1 in 2019:
Jackson
Mahomes
Tannehill
Brees

Tier 2 in 2019
Stafford
Cousins
Carr
Wilson

Tier 3 in 2019
Garoppolo
Prescott
Watson
Rivers
Ryan

So tiers 1 and 2 has outliers. Tannehill at best belongs in Tier 3. Wilson should be Tier 1.

pansophy · Feb 6, 2020

jrumann59 said:
So tiers 1 and 2 has outliers. Tannehill at best belongs in Tier 3. Wilson should be Tier 1.

Just mapping them based on the data presented in the original post -- those are the 3 groups. Can't really argue those aren't the groupings, though you can argue these two stats don't capture the true value of the QBs.

Hennessy_King · Feb 6, 2020

pansophy said:
Let's assume that is true -- does it matter? https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/af283d/percentage_of_salary_cap_taken_up_by_super_bowl/

This link doesn't make the case that paying Dak is a death warrant to winning, but don't think any of the winning QBs that took up a big portion of the cap also had a RB doing the same. I would have paid Dak and not Zeke myself. Still I think it's interesting that Wilson and now Mahomes will have won on the rookie deals.

The cowboys did not get to take advantage of daks rookie deal because of bad contracts. I think we have a good young nucleus in dak, zeke, amari, o line. Defense and special teams need to take a big leap forward. In 2 years daks contract will be a steal.

Hennessy_King · Feb 6, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Fiiine... Pay the market value and tell our Superbowl chances bye bye.

He is replaceable.. He's not some elite QB that the team relies on to win games.

His 20ish TD's and 10 ish INT's is replaceable.

You guys tell me how great he is and we couldnt make the playoffs in a year where we had a superior team.

So going forward its going to get better with him making more money and the roster taking a hit? Please.

We'll all learn the hard way though. Tony Romo's contract didn't teach you guys a lesson. Maybe you will pay attention this time.

Or you could just look around the league and tell me how it's going for everyone paying their elite - mediocre QB a fortune.

He's better than Romo, on the field and in the locker room as a leader.

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