Why can’t they get rid of the salary cap?

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I just wish there was the ability to keep your home grown talent. If you draft well, you shouldn’t be forced to decide which players to keep because you can’t afford them all.
That's my thing too. Players that are drafted doesn't count against the cap but each player can't exceed so many millions above the highest paid player at that position.

I'm sure many can come up with better ideas than me but something should be done. Plus teams that don't draft well shouldn't continue to pick at the top of the draft every year over and over. Maybe do a lottery for non-playoff teams or something but not like the NBA lottery.
 

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They should. Owners will not allow it. Will use excuses like helping small market teams, more parity, allow more competition, blah blah blah ... sounds good on the face of it, but a lot of stink sits behind it.

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Only to conspiracy theorists.
 

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You want the same 4-5 teams winning the SB year after year like every soccer league in the world?

No

The cap started with the 1994 season. There were 28 Super Bowls played after no cap years...12 different teams won them. Since the cap was put in place, there have been 26 Super Bowls played...15 different teams have won, but 7 of them also managed to pull it off without a cap. Teams that were able to win one before the cap have won 70% of all Super Bowls played...40% of the franchises have won 81.5% of the Super Bowls. The same teams keep winning it with or without the cap.
 

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The NFL salary cap is the brain child of Jerry Jones. It’s one of the reasons the NFL owners love him because the cap was always designed first to maximize the owners’ profits while minimizing or at least controlling the players’ ability to maximize their value. Unlike MLB and the NBA, the NFL employs a very hard salary cap. Again, designed to maximize owners profits.

An average NFL player in today’s game has a 4-5 year career and earns well below what a baseball or basketball player earns. Sure, the super stars and most NFL QBs get big bucks, but most NFL players make a lot less than players in other pro sports. Some of that has to do with the number of games played but the TV revenue earned in the NFL has been the richest of the American pro sports.

I have no problem with NFL owners making a profit. It’s good capitalism. But the greed of NFL owners and the profit margins they hold exceeds that of other pro sports owners. It’s their “right” to do that but that alone doesn’t make it right. NFL owners owe their profits and attained wealth to two groups of people without whom they would have nothing- the players and the fans. I wish the owners would at least open their wallets a little more to players who have lost their health playing the game that makes those owners rich.
I believe they have, Bob. I know there's an automatic retirement account for everyone, I think it starts w/ 3 years service. When you add in what they've made, any player that plays 4-5 years can be rich, if he wants to be.
 

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Because in the ideal world the league would be filled with 8-8 teams and every game would be decided on the final play. No dynasties. Every market is in the hunt.
 

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The NFL salary cap is the brain child of Jerry Jones. It’s one of the reasons the NFL owners love him because the cap was always designed first to maximize the owners’ profits while minimizing or at least controlling the players’ ability to maximize their value. Unlike MLB and the NBA, the NFL employs a very hard salary cap. Again, designed to maximize owners profits.

An average NFL player in today’s game has a 4-5 year career and earns well below what a baseball or basketball player earns. Sure, the super stars and most NFL QBs get big bucks, but most NFL players make a lot less than players in other pro sports. Some of that has to do with the number of games played but the TV revenue earned in the NFL has been the richest of the American pro sports.

I have no problem with NFL owners making a profit. It’s good capitalism. But the greed of NFL owners and the profit margins they hold exceeds that of other pro sports owners. It’s their “right” to do that but that alone doesn’t make it right. NFL owners owe their profits and attained wealth to two groups of people without whom they would have nothing- the players and the fans. I wish the owners would at least open their wallets a little more to players who have lost their health playing the game that makes those owners rich.
Also different leagues and different league make ups. MLB an OK player can be a career minor leaguer with maybe a cup of coffee with a major league club. NBA has D-League plus there are many international teams players can go to hone their skills. NFL has none of that so players either get good or get gone. Most players in the NFL that are drafted have a window of 4-5 years because those usually are the prime years if you can succeed then you most likely will not succeed on the downward swing. In the NBA you can be a shooter but can't dribble and teams will find a spot for you. In the MLB you cant pitch past the 3rd inning you can be a reliever.
 

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That’s what I have been talking about. Cap each position. Let each position go up equally as the cap goes up. And cap the rotational or second level players also. What ever it adds up to is the salary cap and it can go up from there. Teams can keep there players or be traded. Players are still leaving or holding out for max position cap but not crazy record setting money. They are still over paid.
That's relative to what the owners make whether they are overpaid. It's all reflective of what people will pay for tickets and what the TV nets will pay for the right to carry and the agencies for sponsorships and ads.

The cap is a % of the whole and the whole keeps climbing so the cap follows and it is unknown what the effect of legalized wagering will do to that.

I would rather see the players getting overpaid than the fat cats getting fatter just because they own it.

And the feeling that this is bad for the players is unfounded. There are owners that wouldn't spend up to the 3 year cap requirement if the cap wasn't in place. There are some that would "buy the ring" but eventually that would dwindle because they would realize that's not as profitable as the cap in place. Not all of these owners own the team to win a ring, it's a guaranteed return investment right now.

And this thinking that no cap would mean Booger would rule is wrong. He's not the fattest cat and he might go for the gold once but after that? And people think they're pricing themselves out of the fan market into corporate, what do you think would happen with no cap? Sorry, got to pass that along to the patrons.
 

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It’s fun to sit here and talk about how Jerry only is in it for the money and then on the other hand say there should be no salary cap because we are the team that makes the most money. Jerry and the leagues goal with the cowboys is to keep them relevant enough to continue driving profit. Yeah they’d make more money with Dallas as an elite team but why rock the boat when the cash is flowing. As long as corporate America loves the nfl and the cowboys we will never win a thing
 

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You want the same 4-5 teams winning the SB year after year like every soccer league in the world?

No

Baseball has no cap and they've had a lot more parity with championship teams than the NFL has the last two decades with the Patriots constantly winning.

Owners may say it's for parity, but it's really so they can take more of the profit. The NFL takes in the largest revenue of any of the big 4 sports and their players make a lot less than baseball players. Never mind that NFL players put their bodies through a lot more than the other sports as well.
 

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It really doesn't. W/ the cap comes a lower limit also. So, while a few players may suffer a bit from the cap, many players benefit from it.
I think they pretty much all benefit from it, since each team has a minimum they must pay the sum of the players. Granted, most of it goes to their high profile guys, but I think it drags the bottom feeders up from where they'd be without it. I'd be interested to see a side by side comparison of the pre-cap days....but not interested enough to do it myself.
 

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Why cant they get rid of the cap. Have a hard cap on teams trying to buy a Super Bowl but no cap on players you drafted or signed as UDFA. This way we keep players we want without having the animosity we have like Zeke last year and now Dak and coop this year. You can keep teams altogether and not be punished for drating well and coaching players up. Honestly we should start a union for fans so we have a voice in all this. After all we are the driving force for all of this, we should have a voice at the table or use what would hurt most, boycott games and dont show up or watch.

Because Jerry would punish the league if they did.
 

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It really doesn't. W/ the cap comes a lower limit also. So, while a few players may suffer a bit from the cap, many players benefit from it.
There was a a cap floor yes. But I really don't think it helps anyone. Maybe it does I can see what you're saying. I would actually love to see what would happen to lower tier guys. Would they get lower contracts because the better players are taking up all the money? Maybe
 

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Owners want a salary cap to protect them from themselves. Same reason they had to put caps on rookie contracts, because they have zero willpower and will endlessly get sucked into spending more and more and more and more. They are happy with this system for a reason.

The league also benefited from the salary cap because it created parity. Football can go back to being like baseball where most of the fanbases are checked out and barely care because everything is tilted in favor of the small handful of successful teams. But it will make them less money as the sport declines like it would.
 

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It wouldn’t be that low but a max cap on a particular contract would mean more money spread around to more players
If the players really looked at it the majority of them would make more money
The cap is never going away but from a players perspective the majority of the money goes to a handful of players. Those are generally a teams best players but for the majority of players a set max would mean more for the rest of the guys
I would think probably more like 15% but the concept should be popular for the majority of players, probably not for agents and super stars
This could never happen because the NFLPA knows that the second they did this, every starting QB (and any backup QB who hopes to stumble into starting someday) would break away from the NFLPA and start their own union to collectively bargain for themselves. Which the league would then cater to instead of dealing with the non-QB union. As a result, QBs would soon command even more money and even more influence over the rules of the game.

So your effort to screw quarterbacks instead turns them into the Kings of the land.
 

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I don't get the whole " You are not a fan if you dont wave pom pom's" approach.

Im a fan with a rational brain than enjoys watching win or lose

Not a mindless cheerleader
Every hater says the exact same thing.
 

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Why cant they get rid of the cap. Have a hard cap on teams trying to buy a Super Bowl but no cap on players you drafted or signed as UDFA. This way we keep players we want without having the animosity we have like Zeke last year and now Dak and coop this year. You can keep teams altogether and not be punished for drating well and coaching players up. Honestly we should start a union for fans so we have a voice in all this. After all we are the driving force for all of this, we should have a voice at the table or use what would hurt most, boycott games and dont show up or watch.

After the Cowboys built a team with no cap and the rest of the teams saw what was going to happen every year and there were a couple of teams, packers and browns, who had no way of competing financially with the Cowboys because they didn't have billions of dollars and because congress was starting to talk about possibly revoking the league's antitrust status. So the majority of owners came up with the cap to make it fair for all teams and enough to put off congress and their talk about antitrust exemption. If the packers had an actual single owner and not stock owned by the community and the browns had an owner that wasn't on the verge of bankruptcy there probably wouldn't have started the cap. The reason that caused the cap to get started was the start of free agency. That drove up the price of players and then only the wealthy owners could consistently outbid the rest of the teams. Even after the cap started Jones came up with a scheme to circumvent the cap by signing players to personal services contracts paying them out of his personal accounts but the league quickly put a band that.
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