The Cowboys should sign Keenum, and let Dak decide what to do next

cmoney23 · Feb 7, 2020

leeblair said:
The Cowboys should get Case Keenum and give him a four year deal.
He would be an upgrade immediately, and at worst would solidify the Cowboys at quarterback if they do eventually sign Dak.
Phillip Rivers is also available, and is an upgrade.
Ryan Tannehill is available.
The Cowboys don't have to be in this soap opera with a guy who went 8-8 but wants to be paid like he is a proven winner.
Signing a veteran like Keenum- who has been a winner- would likely change Dak's attitude towards a new contract.
But I believe that the Cowboys would make it to the NFC Championship game next year with a guy like Keenum under center.

kskboys · Feb 7, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
It's the Off Season. If we labeled every thread that did this, as troll bait, we would literally be tagging every thread. Doesn't mean it can't be a productive conversation though. I mean, if you confine your discussion to simply using fact and common sense, it can still be productive. The suggestion, on it's face is not terrible.

I mean, the Cowboys have done a terrible job of preparing the QB position in recent years. We were flat footed when Tony went down and just straight up lucky that Dak was able to step in. When Dak got himself injured last year, we elected to play a player that couldn't even complete simple short passes, rather then play the backup. I mean, there really is a point that can be discussed here IMO.

Yes, there is. However, declaring Keenum as a better QB than Dak is really lame, as it's blatantly obvious that it's not true.

G2 · Feb 7, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
There is literally zero evidence to support this, especially since Keenum was easily a top 10 starter in 2017 and Dak was a bottom 5 starter for most of 2017. You’re just making it up.

You're delusional.

TheCoolFan · Feb 7, 2020

Really can't believe there is a strong Case Keenum fanbase here. It's shocking...didn't know he was so beloved

G2 · Feb 7, 2020

kskboys said:
Yes, there is. However, declaring Keenum as a better QB than Dak is really lame, as it's blatantly obvious that it's not true.

Since the OP posted the thread and hasn't posted again, I'd say it's your typical troll job.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 7, 2020

kskboys said:
OK, but Keenum is not anywhere close to as good as Dak. Dak is a decent starter prolly in the 8-15 range. Keenum is a bottom 5 starter, better as a backup. Different levels of starters.

I don't know that to be a fact ksk. I mean, if I'm being honest, none of us do. We can't discuss this in a vacuum. Truth be told, for all we know he might be, in a McCarthy Offense but so what? The point here should be that the team should be doing everything possible to prepare for every eventuality. We don't know what the situation with Dak will end up being. We don't know how it will play out and I believe that we should absolutely be doing every single thing possible to create competition at every single position. If it's Keenum, fine. If it's another Vet QB who can push Dak or whomever, also fine. The point is that we should not be creating an environment where players feel safe in the fact that they are the de facto starters and we definitely shouldn't be putting the team in that position. It creates economic dependency and that's terrible for the team contractually.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 7, 2020

Streetwise said:
Why haven't they responded?

I don't know. Maybe they don't like to be piled on? I mean, there are many reasons potentially but what does that have to do with the actual conversation? Obviously, there are posters here who are interested in the topic. We can have a good conversation over this issue with or without the poster in question.

Super_Kazuya · Feb 7, 2020

kskboys said:
Yes, there is. However, declaring Keenum as a better QB than Dak is really lame, as it's blatantly obvious that it's not true.

The only thing that’s blatantly obvious is that you’re struggling to explain why the most talent dependent QB in the league is better than a street free agent. Let’s play a game, you count the All-Pros that Keenum has played with, and I’ll count Dak’s. Whoever has less has to leave the board forever. What do you say?

kskboys · Feb 7, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
There is literally zero evidence to support this, especially since Keenum was easily a top 10 starter in 2017 and Dak was a bottom 5 starter for most of 2017. You’re just making it up.

Keenum has never been a top 10 starter. Some casual fans may have fallen for the hoopla, but it was very silly.

And I'm not sure where you're gettting top 10 from. His pedestrian 3,547 yds and 22 TD's is the stuff of bus drivers. The #1 D in the NFL caused him to win, he just had to not make mistakes.

None of that is made up. Cheap insults make your points invalid, BTW, might want to try a different approach.

Stash · Feb 7, 2020

kskboys said:
Yeah, Keenum is one of the best backups in the NFL, and a low quality starter. I'd love to have him.

Texas guy too, so he may be interested in coming back to his home state to play.

And honestly? Nuclear case scenario with Prescott (which No, I do not anticipate)? Keenum can get you through for a few games or a season while the team figured things out long term.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 7, 2020

kskboys said:
Yes, there is. However, declaring Keenum as a better QB than Dak is really lame, as it's blatantly obvious that it's not true.

Why is it so obvious? I'm here to tell you that Dak, with what we've seen out of him to date, does not suggest he fits the WCO. His skill set fits the vertical much better. We don't have any idea what he might do in the WCO. However, we do know that Keenum fits it to a tee. That's essentially what he's excelled at since his days at Houston. Is one better then the other? Yeah, it's possible but how do you know unless you actually create some competition and make them prove it? I mean, this not hard. This is what Football is all about to me.

G2 · Feb 7, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't know. Maybe they don't like to be piled on? I mean, there are many reasons potentially but what does that have to do with the actual conversation? Obviously, there are posters here who are interested in the topic. We can have a good conversation over this issue with or without the poster in question.

Troll job dude. Pretty easy to identify.

Super_Kazuya · Feb 7, 2020

kskboys said:
Keenum has never been a top 10 starter. Some casual fans may have fallen for the hoopla, but it was very silly.

And I'm not sure where you're gettting top 10 from. His pedestrian 3,547 yds and 22 TD's is the stuff of bus drivers. The #1 D in the NFL caused him to win, he just had to not make mistakes.

None of that is made up. Cheap insults make your points invalid, BTW, might want to try a different approach.

You may want to try a different approach than “Keenum was not a top 10 starter because I said so.” You’re a delusional troll who knows nothing about football. Try some stats, they make better support.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 7, 2020

Streetwise said:
Troll job dude. Pretty easy to identify.

Well, you know what they say. If all you have is a hammer.........

You limit yourself by only viewing this in such a way. You can expand beyond whatever the intent might have been. It's your choice to engage in the whole "Troll" diatribe.

Stash · Feb 7, 2020

Here are the actual numbers for Keenum in 2017, for anyone interested in the truth:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/passing.htm

He actually finished 2nd in completion percentage and 12th in both yards (3,547) and touchdowns (22, tied with Dak), so the top 10 claim was a slight exaggeration, but not a huge one.

And he actually finished with far fewer interceptions than most (7).

Super_Kazuya · Feb 7, 2020

stasheroo said:
Here are the actual numbers for Keenum in 2017, for anyone interested in the truth:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/passing.htm

He actually finished 2nd in completion percentage and 12th in both yards (3,547) and touchdowns (22, tied with Dak), so the top 10 claim was a slight exaggeration, but not a huge one.

And he actually finished with far fewer interceptions than most (7).

Keep in mind he only started 14 games and he also finished 2nd in ESPN’s QBR and 7th in passer rating. Does the low volume push him down towards the bottom of the top 10? Sure. But he was absolutely top 10. Also QB win loss means nothing to me but he was 11-3 for those that care.
Additionally his stats look very similar to Dak’s in 2016 as low usage bus drivers and I’m pretty sure most people thought Dak was top 10 in 2016.

G2 · Feb 7, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Well, you know what they say. If all you have is a hammer.........

You limit yourself by only viewing this in such a way. You can expand beyond whatever the intent might have been. It's your choice to engage in the whole "Troll" diatribe.

You're blind. He's clearly stating bringing in CK to replace Prescott.

Stash · Feb 7, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
Keep in mind he only started 14 games and he also finished 2nd in ESPN’s QBR and 7th in passer rating. Does the low volume push him down towards the bottom of the top 10? Sure. But he was absolutely top 10. Also QB win loss means nothing to me but he was 11-3 for those that care.
Additionally his stats look very similar to Dak’s in 2016 as low usage bus drivers and I’m pretty sure most people thought Dak was top 10 in 2016.

I'm just saying that one can subjectively say "top 10", but the statistics don't empirically back that up. What we can say is that in 2017, Case Keenum had a better year overall than Dak Prescott did.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 7, 2020

Streetwise said:
You're blind. He's clearly stating bringing in CK to replace Prescott.

I'm blind? OK, if that's what you want to take away from this, that's fine. But maybe this is not me. Maybe this about you? Lets say your correct. Lets say this is exactly what the poster is trying to do. It would be very easy to make the argument that you are allowing it. You confine your self by simply limiting your discussion to "Troll". I mean, really? Why do that. There is conversation to be had hear. If you choose not to engage and simply buy into the "Troll" mentality, then isn't it you that is being blinded and isn't it the poster you are accusing of trolling who is succeeding in their efforts?

It's up to you, I am not going to chase you down over this. There are plenty of other subjects to discuss. Just food for thought.

G2 · Feb 7, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
I'm blind? OK, if that's what you want to take away from this, that's fine. But maybe this is not me. Maybe this about you? Lets say your correct. Lets say this is exactly what the poster is trying to do. It would be very easy to make the argument that you are allowing it. You confine your self by simply limiting your discussion to "Troll". I mean, really? Why do that. There is conversation to be had hear. If you choose not to engage and simply buy into the "Troll" mentality, then isn't it you that is being blinded and isn't it the poster you are accusing of trolling who is succeeding in their efforts?

It's up to you, I am not going to chase you down over this. There are plenty of other subjects to discuss. Just food for thought.

What?

Lmao

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