The Cowboys should sign Keenum, and let Dak decide what to do next

Streetwise said:

What?

Lmao

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Cool....

Have a good weekend.

ABQCOWBOY said:

Cool....

Have a good weekend.

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And you the same.

stasheroo said:

I'm just saying that one can subjectively say "top 10", but the statistics don't empirically back that up. What we can say is that in 2017, Case Keenum had a better year overall than Dak Prescott did.

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If he’s 7th in passer rating, then yes the statistics do back it up. Passing yards are just a counting stat and don’t mean anything. He was top 10 in just about every important stat. Look again.

TheCoolFan said:

Not the first time I've seen this poster pounding the table for Keenum. Must be related to him

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yeah, his wife.

Super_Kazuya said:

If he’s 7th in passer rating, then yes the statistics do back it up. Passing yards are just a counting stat and don’t mean anything. He was top 10 in just about every important stat. Look again.

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Guess what? You get to decide for you, not for everybody.

You "look again".

I have, and I did. And I presented the unbiased, unfiltered numbers.

If you don't like 'em, that's your problem, not mine.

ABQCOWBOY said:

I'm not sure here, are you suggesting that I can't read because I certainly did read the posters initial post. I'm not going to argue here. Signing Keenum, or any other QB who can actually come in and play is an upgrade over what we currently have. There is no guarantee that Dak is signing this year. What is the option if does not? And for the record, 8-8 is the measuring stick. What else would it be?

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there is no guarantee on Dak, but what are the options on Dak and then if not Dak, then what are the other options, short term. long term.... is Keenum an option, perhaps for 2 years and then drafting a QB, but that would mean throw away the next few years in search of the next QB. certainly keenum is not the answer as he hasn't been anywher

and yes that was my point, if 8-8 is a measuring stick, then why take a single year to measure..2019....in 2019 What was Keenum's record? why ignore that and why not look at the entirety of the work, which is three winning seasons. compared to Keenum's one winning season....so the measuring stick applies to both, equally....that's what the OP didn't do and tried to focus on and 8-8 year (isn't that so garrett like), to create a controversial discussion point....

Super_Kazuya said:

lol at someone trying to qualify Keenum’s “winning” season by saying he had help, when Dak is the most roster dependent QB in the entire NFL. The troll hilarity keeps on coming in this thread.

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OK, lets say Dak is roster dependent. and keenum is roster dependent..... what qualified keenum as a better QB than Dak based on that roster dependency

you are failing at this...really bad.

ABQCOWBOY said:

It's the Off Season. If we labeled every thread that did this, as troll bait, we would literally be tagging every thread. Doesn't mean it can't be a productive conversation though. I mean, if you confine your discussion to simply using fact and common sense, it can still be productive. The suggestion, on it's face is not terrible.

I mean, the Cowboys have done a terrible job of preparing the QB position in recent years. We were flat footed when Tony went down and just straight up lucky that Dak was able to step in. When Dak got himself injured last year, we elected to play a player that couldn't even complete simple short passes, rather then play the backup. I mean, there really is a point that can be discussed here IMO.

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perhaps true....but the thread started as a troll bait, but given there are a few good fans on this board, its changed on few of the responses back and forth to legitimate discussion worth discussing

and yes, the FO has done a poor job of preparing the roster in the off season the past two years....our drafts have been terrible. our FA has been bad. they have mishandled many things.

stasheroo said:

Guess what? You get to decide for you, not for everybody.

You "look again".

I have, and I did. And I presented the unbiased, unfiltered numbers.

If you don't like 'em, that's your problem, not mine.

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The only thing you presented was stupidity. By your logic Jameis was the number one QB in the league this year. It’s time for you to go to bed now, the conversation has gotten a little complicated for you.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

OK, lets say Dak is roster dependent. and keenum is roster dependent..... what qualified keenum as a better QB than Dak based on that roster dependency

you are failing at this...really bad.

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Keenum is less roster dependent than Dak.

You trolls keep running from the game, don’t you want to play? You count the All-Pros that Keenum has played with, and I’ll count Dak’s. Whoever has less has to leave the board forever. What do you say?
Keep running, troll...

Case Keenum would be an upgrade at backup. Anyone who thinks he would be an upgrade over Dak must be smoking something. The guy is a journeyman who’s played for 4 teams and just helped lead the Commanders to the second overall pick in the draft.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

there is no guarantee on Dak, but what are the options on Dak and then if not Dak, then what are the other options, short term. long term.... is Keenum an option, perhaps for 2 years and then drafting a QB, but that would mean throw away the next few years in search of the next QB. certainly keenum is not the answer as he hasn't been anywher

and yes that was my point, if 8-8 is a measuring stick, then why take a single year to measure..2019....in 2019 What was Keenum's record? why ignore that and why not look at the entirety of the work, which is three winning seasons. compared to Keenum's one winning season....so the measuring stick applies to both, equally....that's what the OP didn't do and tried to focus on and 8-8 year (isn't that so garrett like), to create a controversial discussion point....

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Well, Keenum is an FA this year so I think it's safe to view him as an option but you are right, there is no guarantee. Now, there are reason why you look at a Keenum but lets be fair here. I have said over and over "Keenum or some other Vet". IE, an experienced QB. The record is the measuring stick no matter what. That's the reason everybody plays and everybody watches. Nobody tunes in or pays hundreds of bucks to watch games because they want to see their teams lose. That's not the deal. I mean, you want to give yourself the best possible chance to win and I get that but honestly, and I said this earlier but it got ingnored, you don't know if Dak is the best QB for McCarthy's offense. Keenum is very capable and he's never ever played with the talent Dak has around him, even the 2017 Vikings were not as talented IMO. Now, they were the better team, for sure, but not as talented IMO. So what have we seen from Dak that suggests he will be better in a WCO, then say a Keenum or some other option? I haven't seen anything. Lets take it a step further and say, what have we seen that even makes us think that Dak will be in camp this year and not sitting out? Who do we have on our roster who can come in and start a season for us? Doesn't it seem like you might want to find a guy who can come in and be your starter if need be or at least a quality backup? Doesn't it also make sense to have that guy be somebody who has experience in the WCO and somebody who actually fits it? I'd think that this would be exactly what you want to bring in.

BTW, Keenum, on the only good team he's ever had, went 13-3. I don't know if you can say that Keenum has never been good. I think that's inaccurate. I guess it depends on how you measure success. I mean, he's had at least as much success as has Dak so what's the real measure here? IDK.

Super_Kazuya said:

The only thing you presented was stupidity. By your logic Jameis was the number one QB in the league this year. It’s time for you to go to bed now, the conversation has gotten a little complicated for you.

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More accurately your ignorance is on full display. You get presented with facts and information that doesn't jibe with your opinions and you get your panties in a wad and pitch a fit.

"Your logic" = your opinion and nothing more. Don't try to tell anybody what "their logic" is.

Grow up.

KJJ said:

Case Keenum would be an upgrade at backup. Anyone who thinks he would be an upgrade over Dak must be smoking something. The guy is a journeyman who’s played for 4 teams and just helped lead the Commanders to the second overall pick in the draft.

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Were the Commanders a good team?

KJJ said:

Case Keenum would be an upgrade at backup. Anyone who thinks he would be an upgrade over Dak must be smoking something. The guy is a journeyman who’s played for 4 teams and just helped lead the Commanders to the second overall pick in the draft.

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Come on now. You put Dak on that Commanders team and they would still be in about the same area. That is not about the QB. That's about the trainwreck that is the Washington Commanders.

stasheroo said:

More accurately your ignorance is on full display. You get presented with facts and information that doesn't jibe with your opinions and you get your panties in a wad and pitch a fit.

"Your logic" = your opinion and nothing more. Don't try to tell anybody what "their logic" is.

Grow up.

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What facts and information? You make it sound like you’re some kind of guru, you can barely add two numbers. You said he was 12th in TDs in passing yards (in only 14 games) and so ignore all of the other far more important stuff, he’s not top 10. Meanwhile, by your brain-addled logic Winston is a top 5 QBs this year. Please stop embarrassing yourself, my head hurts even reading your garbage.

Super_Kazuya said:

What facts and information? You make it sound like you’re some kind of guru, you can barely add two numbers. You said he was 12th in TDs in passing yards (in only 14 games) and so ignore all of the other far more important stuff, he’s not top 10.

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And you once again ignorantly think you're the guy that decides what's "important". Derp. Derp.

Meanwhile, by your brain-addled logic Winston is a top 5 QBs this year. Please stop embarrassing yourself, my head hurts even reading your garbage.

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Then don't!

Nobody said a word about Winston other than you, but you go ahead and bring him up again and again and talk about what anyone's "logic" is. You speak for no one else. Deal with it.

Be the guy I've called you out to be, the brat who can't handle when someone else refutes his opinion with stats.

Make everything I've said true and continue to pitch your fit Veruca.

stasheroo said:

Were the Commanders a good team?

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No, and one of the main reasons were they weren’t getting solid QB play, which is why Keenum was benched and replaced by Haskins. Haskins wasn’t even ready to play but Washington had no choice but to make a move because Keenan wasn’t getting it done.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

perhaps true....but the thread started as a troll bait, but given there are a few good fans on this board, its changed on few of the responses back and forth to legitimate discussion worth discussing

and yes, the FO has done a poor job of preparing the roster in the off season the past two years....our drafts have been terrible. our FA has been bad. they have mishandled many things.

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I'm gonna tell you something here. This board was not always this way. Yes, people would use the term "troll" on occasion and there would be arguments but now, you see that term get used in almost every single thread. It's like this board has suddenly become populated with a bunch of posters who are way more interested in attacking other people, rather then moving beyond that and actually discussing issues. I have been guilty of this very same thing in recent weeks and I've decided that it's stupid. I'm dragging myself down by allowing it. I'm not going to do it anymore because I know this board was better then this before and I know that I was better then that before and I know I can be again. I'm getting back to having productive discussion. I'm not wasting my time on baiting posts etc.

Just gonna try and do what I do, only better.

KJJ said:

No, and one of the main reasons were they weren’t getting solid QB play, which is why Keenum was benched and replaced by Haskins. Haskins wasn’t even ready to play but Washington had no choice but to make a move because Keenan wasn’t getting it done.

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They played Haskins because their season was lost after they fired their head coach and wanted to get the rookie some experience.