Video: Fox: Skip Bayless: Dak Prescott 'just declared war' on Jerry Jones and the Cowboys

gjkoeppen · Feb 7, 2020

Aviano90 said:
Correct. Here is the post I was responding to.

It doesn't matter what post you were responding to. An unrestricted free agent can't holdout 2 years in a row.
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Aviano90 · Feb 7, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
It doesn't matter what post you were responding to. An unrestricted free agent can't holdout 2 years in a row.
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Good Lord! It’s OK, man. Jokes go over people’s heads and sometimes they should just stay there.

camelboy · Feb 7, 2020

kskboys said:
2. Very strange reasoning. Not why they did it.

I wanted to keep it short so I did not put much details. Remember NFLPA has all types of players including high percentage of low-earning players, who want to make a $$$ only. They only focus on making the money and don't care how much money/control owners have. This is the dynamic that made them vote for the commissioner to have full control on player discipline, it's unfair, but they gave it away because the majority say "I don't care, I never get into trouble". That's why, even though they know what the owners plans were, they just focused on the $$$

Players one making $$$ (the low earners mostly), owners focus on sustaining and growing $$$

cowboyed · Feb 7, 2020

Buzzbait said:
They could tag me for about 30 mil any time they like! I'd be like Hurt me baby Hurt me!

You could even shove a fat roll of thousand dollar bills up my butt, as long as I get to keep it. Of course I would take an enema first.

lockster · Feb 7, 2020

zrinkill said:
The owners could collectively raise or abolish the salary cap anytime they meet ........ It is completely up to them.

Stop acting like it's out of thier control ...... You are the exact kinda fan they use against the players.

Laughable.

Have you ever heard about the players union? The salary cap is a legal contract between players and the NFL owners. The owners can lower their profits if they desire, but they can't renig on the contract without being sued. They can refuse to go to the collective bargainsiNg table when the contract is up, but that will result in a standoff and loss of revenue for both sides.

Ranched · Feb 7, 2020

cowboyed said:
You could even shove a fat roll of thousand dollar bills up my butt, as long as I get to keep it. Of course I would take an enema first.

Oh my....

zrinkill · Feb 7, 2020

lockster said:
Have you ever heard about the players union? The salary cap is a legal contract between players and the NFL owners. The owners can lower their profits if they desire, but they can't renig on the contract without being sued. They can refuse to go to the collective bargainsiNg table when the contract is up, but that will result in a standoff and loss of revenue for both sides.

You think the players union would object to them raising or abolishing the salary cap? Are you crazy?

lockster · Feb 7, 2020

garyo1954 said:
Laughable.

You have to understand WHY the cap is in place......

"I realized, as much as I hear about the NFL salary cap, I really didn’t understand why it was necessary and how it came to be. Salary caps are used mainly for two reasons: maintaining league parity among teams and controlling operating costs for league franchises.

Back in the days of the All-American Football Conference of the 1940s, the Cleveland Browns, yes the Cleveland Browns, were so dominant that no other teams could compete with their level of spending and ability to hoard the league’s best talent. The league folded after four years in which the Browns won every game but three and took home the title each time as well.

When a league employs a salary cap, the hope is that each team holds roughly the same economic power to attract and retain quality players. In the Major League of Baseball, for instance, there is no salary cap. This allows financial powerhouse teams like the New York Yankees to operate a 2018 player payroll of $115,711,450 while the lowly Oakland A’s have to patchwork together a competitive team with a 2018 player payroll of $56,780,833.

The 2011 hit movie Moneyball shed perfect light on the struggles of general managers like Billy Beane, who had to resort to a sophisticated sabermetric approach to scouting and signing players. There are a couple of alternatives to the no cap approach of the MLB.

A hard salary cap, like the NFL’s, is a set amount that may not be exceeded for any reason. A soft salary cap, like the NBA’s, is an amount which may be exceeded, but will trigger a penalty - in this case, a luxury tax - which is known in advance. The NFL also operates with a hard salary floor that requires teams to spend a minimum amount of the salary cap."

https://www.canalstreetchronicles.c...nflpa-collective-bargaining-agreement-mlb-nba

Yes,. The problem with the cap, is that they didn't build in options for teams to be able to sign back their own invested players for a discount percentage compared to just buying a free agent, this encouraging not only loyalty, but rewarding the team for the hard work they put in when scouting , developing, and finding talent. Also, the players capitulated to the owners to get another percent or two of profit, in exchange, the owners got almost unlimited power of discipline, which immediately turned it into a tyrannical power in dealing with the players. Very unfair. And also then bled into total control over NFL teams, by being able to fine them for behavior against the NFL and bring able to make them pay the costs of legal services!! Think Jerry thought , I must have been a fool to vote for this". ???? What short sightedness. The vcap could have been a blessing, but became a curse just as much and I think more.

lockster · Feb 7, 2020

zrinkill said:
You think the players union would object to them raising or abolishing the salary cap? Are you crazy?

Without the salary cap, teams could go back to controlling players playing rights. Secondly, if they raised the cap it would only be for even more control. They don't need anymore than they have now, they do what they want. The players are like the monkey with his hand going through the small hole drilled in a gourd, so he can grab some nuts or such that he won't release , so the monkey is caught from his own greed, no other reason. This is the NFL salary cap.

zerofill · Feb 7, 2020

Declaring war with an empty magazine, is not good.

MWH1967 · Feb 7, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:
Oh my....

Gangsta Spanksta · Feb 7, 2020

zerofill · Feb 7, 2020

Well... Fox last reported Dak's endorsement deals being worth upwards of $50 mil...

Let's make a contract where, we cover that 38mil difference for Dak, based on what he makes by being the QB of the Cowboys lol.

We might only need to pay him $20mil a year lol...

Because, if he goes elsewhere... I want to see how that endorsement money works out for him.

Bullflop · Feb 9, 2020

Skip Bayless is the most whimsical purveyor of his opinions that someone could be.

I recommend that we henceforth take anything he has to say with a grain of salt.

Silverstar · Feb 9, 2020

JoeKing said:
Dak's agent won't accept any offer before the Cowboys FO is forced to tag him.

Forced to tag him?

I'm thinking Jerry can't wait to tag Dak, but he has no choice until Feb 25th when the league allows it.

Jerry might even use the transition tag (right of first refusal) just to see what other clubs will offer and match it.

If he uses the franchise tag teams won't even make an offer, because I seriously doubt teams are willing to give up first round picks for Dak.

JMO

JoeKing · Feb 9, 2020

Silverstar said:
Forced to tag him?

I'm thinking Jerry can't wait to tag Dak, but he has no choice until Feb 25th when the league allows it.

Jerry might even use the transition tag (right of first refusal) just to see what other clubs will offer and match it.

If he uses the franchise tag another team won't even make an offer, because I don't think anyone is willing to give up first round picks for Dak.

JMO

Yes, forced to tag him. If there is no signed deal by the March deadline, they have to tag him to keep his rights. Then they have until July to negotiate a long term deal. Read Mickey's article, it explains it all pretty good...

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/spagnola-don-t-forget-these-dak-bottom-lines

Silverstar · Feb 9, 2020

JoeKing said:
Yes, forced to tag him. If there is no signed deal by the March deadline, they have to tag him to keep his rights. Then they have until July to negotiate a long term deal. Read Mickey's article, it explains it all pretty good...

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/spagnola-don-t-forget-these-dak-bottom-lines

They can still negotiate a contract while he's under the tag.

What's the advantage of waiting until the deadline to tag him?

Jake · Feb 9, 2020

csirl said:
The salary cap and free agency go hand in hand with the cap being the additional control introduced to compensate for players being able to decide where to play.

The cap also suits both owners and NFLPA. As its based on a % of revenue, owners have cost/margin certainty which means its almost impossible to make a loss. Players are guaranteed a minimum % of money is spent on salaries - and as its linked to revenue, they get a piece of the money pie. In the 80s many owners paid very low salaries because they could.

JoeKing · Feb 9, 2020

Silverstar said:
They can still negotiate a contract while he's under the tag.

What's the advantage of waiting until the deadline to tag him?

It's not about an advantage to wait. However, the two sides have been negotiating this deal for a long time now and are in no hurry to get the deal finalized. If they can get a deal signed before the March deadline date then great but because the Cowboys are an extremely interested negotiating partner, Dak's agent will most likely force the Jones boys to use the tag because it's the easiest way to make progress on guaranteeing his client will get a massive pay raise because all he has to do is keep saying "no". For Dak's agent, the tag just sets a starting point on the price tag but it's not tangible until it's in place. The tag will happen and then the two side will get serious about coming to an agreement. The long-term deal get's done before the July deadline. 4 years, $35-$37 mill/year. $100 mill guaranteed.

Silverstar · Feb 10, 2020

JoeKing said:
It's not about an advantage to wait. However, the two sides have been negotiating this deal for a long time now and are in no hurry to get the deal finalized. If they can get a deal signed before the March deadline date then great but because the Cowboys are an extremely interested negotiating partner, Dak's agent will most likely force the Jones boys to use the tag because it's the easiest way to make progress on guaranteeing his client will get a massive pay raise because all he has to do is keep saying "no". For Dak's agent, the tag just sets a starting point on the price tag but it's not tangible until it's in place. The tag will happen and then the two side will get serious about coming to an agreement. The long-term deal get's done before the July deadline. 4 years, $35-$37 mill/year. $100 mill guaranteed.

Okaaaay.....not sure if Jerry wants to give Dak 100M guaranteed on ANY length of contract. Also, the tag is not just about insuring Dak gets a pay raise, but also insures that Jerry holds his rights going forward. It will most likely be the non-exclusive tag, so Dak can still receive offers from other teams and more importantly, Jerry can be compensated with first round picks if he doesn't match the offer. If no one makes an offer before the deadline which I suspect will happen, then Dak will have to sign the his tag or hold out and I really don't see Dak holding out in that scenario. Basically, once Dak is tagged Jerry will have the advantage in the negotiations until the deadline, and moreso if he covers his bases by signing a vet QB.

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