10 wins, minimum to get to the postseason

[lwehlers]

I have one question, if the cowboys would have nine or ten wins at last game and are one game ahead and beating the Commanders we would have the division won by then. the cowboys would be 5-0 in the division and the eagle would be 3-2 so if the eagles would beat the cowboys the last game we would still win the division because of a better divison record. would that be right?

 

[ufcrules1]

Really? You think we'd be lucky to win one of CHI, GB, WAS, PHI? With GB and PHI at home?

I'd think we're favorites to win each of those at this point, given CHI and GB's injury status and how poorly WAS is playing, overall. Not that we will win all of them, but I'd say it'd be incredibly unlucky if we were only to win one of the next four.

Nah, we will win more than 1 of those. Chicago is a .500 team exactly this year, so that means we have a 50/50 chance there. GB & WAS are below .500 teams, so we win both of those in an ugly way, and it looks like Philly could be 9-6 or so by the time we play them. So if we keep trending in the same direction we have all year, we should end up 2-2 in the last 4 games. Now If we are trending the same way we have the last 3 years, that means the last game of the season will be a win and you're in game or the famous "elimination game". It's looking more and more likely that is what we will be facing the last game of the season. Hopefully this is the year we can shake that .500 tag and also win the division.

 

[ufcrules1]

I have one question, if the cowboys would have nine or ten wins at last game and are one game ahead and beating the Commanders we would have the division won by then. the cowboys would be 5-0 in the division and the eagle would be 3-2 so if the eagles would beat the cowboys the last game we would still win the division because of a better divison record. would that be right?

You are correct, if we were one game up and had beat the Commanders, the last game of the season wouldn't even matter. Sounds too good to be true doesn't it?

 

[Tabascocat]

You are stating your opinion that is backed with no facts including the statement about the Commanders game. However Dallas is most likely going to win the divisional tiebreaker with the eagles if they end with the same records. Even if they both end up at 8-8

That is why I started the post with "I think". Yours also isn't backed with facts, it is all a hypothetical.

Also, if Philly beats us and we lose to Wash, then the tie-breaker gets dicey depending on what happens over the next three games. It is no guarantee that we win the division if we have the same records.

 

[Clove]

No argument here, the defense just gets more attention because it is so bad.

I think the offense is equally as bad. They both have their good moments.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Due to tie-breakers, I think Dallas can win the division with 9 wins but Philly will need 10. Excluding the last game, Dallas can lose two(as long as one isn't to Wash) and Philly lose one, then we go into the last game one game behind at 8 wins, they have 9. We win, we will win the division at 9 wins because of the division record.

I think you are forgetting division record is the second tie breaker.

 

[Tabascocat]

I think you are forgetting division record is the second tie breaker.

How so? First tie-breaker is head-to-head and one scenario example would have Philly winning the last game of course, that would be 1-1. Assuming we lose to both Wash and Phil but win against GB and Chi, we would end at 9-7. Lets say Philly ends at 9-7 as well with a win over us in week 17 ending at 9-7.

So, head to head would be a wash. Next up is division wins and we would both be 4-2, another wash. Then it goes to common opponents and we won't know that tiebreaker until the end of week 16.

My whole point was....Dallas can win the division with 9 wins(assuming we beat Wash) but I think Philly will need 10 wins if they win it due to us having the advantage in tiebreakers up to this point anyways. That Wash game is extremely important if it comes down to a tie.

IMO, if we win one of the next two and beat Wash, we win the division because I don't see Philly winning three of four. It is possible but unlikely.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

How so? First tie-breaker is head-to-head and one scenario example would have Philly winning the last game of course, that would be 1-1. Assuming we lose to both Wash and Phil but win against GB and Chi, we would end at 9-7. Lets say Philly ends at 9-7 as well with a win over us in week 17 ending at 9-7.

So, head to head would be a wash. Next up is division wins and we would both be 4-2, another wash. Then it goes to common opponents and we won't know that tiebreaker until the end of week 16.

My whole point was....Dallas can win the division with 9 wins(assuming we beat Wash) but I think Philly will need 10 wins if they win it due to us having the advantage in tiebreakers up to this point anyways. That Wash game is extremely important if it comes down to a tie.

IMO, if we win one of the next two and beat Wash, we win the division because I don't see Philly winning three of four. It is possible but unlikely.

May be my mistake, but I read the part I originally quoted as we win the last game and end up in a tie then we win because of division record. Either way, I get the idea you are trying to convey.

 

[DallasJ7]

That is why I started the post with "I think". Yours also isn't backed with facts, it is all a hypothetical.

Also, if Philly beats us and we lose to Wash, then the tie-breaker gets dicey depending on what happens over the next three games. It is no guarantee that we win the division if we have the same records.

This is actually not correct. With the Eagles' victory against the Cards, the Cowboys have officially clinched the tie-breaker should the Cowboys and Eagles finish with the same record. That's because the Cowboys have the advantage in common games because the Eagles won both of their non-common games (Cards and Bucs), while the Cowboys lost one of their two non-common games (Saints and Rams).

And thus the Cowboys would clinch the East if they are a game up on the Eagles after Week 16, even if they lose to Washington, giving both teams a 4-2 division record.

 

[Tabascocat]

May be my mistake, but I read the part I originally quoted as we win the last game and end up in a tie then we win because of division record. Either way, I get the idea you are trying to convey.

Gotcha. I know head to head is first tiebreaker Don't want the last game coming down to a must win because of a loss in Wash to negate the division record is all.

 

[DFWJC]

we need to win the next 3 which are all VERY winnable games to make week 17 meaningless

i will have no faith that we beat philly in week 17 if that game is one and done becasue our record in those games with these players has been horrendous

Last time we played a home one and done game was fairly recently (2009)...and we beat Philly.

 

[cowboys2233]

NFL ‏@nfl 59s
If the season ended today... Cam Newton would have a Wild Card date with the Cowboys. 2013 Playoff Picture: http://on.nfl.com/1irr0UL

I can get on board with that.

 

[cowboys2233]

Last time we played a home one and done game was fairly recently (2009)...and we beat Philly.

Wouldn't it be awesome if Foles came out rocking an air guitar like McNabb did?

 

[DFWJC]

No one is catching the 9ers or Panthers? While that may be correct.....

9ers stil have Seahawks and Cardinals
Panthers have the Aint's TWICE and Atlanta, even injured are always a tough out for anyone in their division.

The Wildcard is far from SEWED UP. Not saying anyone from our division will get that wild card but neither one of those teams are guaranteed to get those wild cards. As a matter of fact, Panthers could potentially lose 2 or 3 games from here on out. We'll definitely know how for real they are with these next stretch of games.

If the Saints lose at the Seahawks tonight, I think the Panthers have equal odds with New Orleans of winning that division. They've won 8 in a row and look very, very good.

 

[Tabascocat]

This is actually not correct. With the Eagles' victory against the Cards, the Cowboys have officially clinched the tie-breaker should the Cowboys and Eagles finish with the same record. That's because the Cowboys have the advantage in common games because the Eagles won both of their non-common games (Cards and Bucs), while the Cowboys lost one of their two non-common games (Saints and Rams).

And thus the Cowboys would clinch the East if they are a game up on the Eagles after Week 16, even if they lose to Washington, giving both teams a 4-2 division record.

Help me out then.........common games are teams we have both played, correct?

The teams we have both played are:
SD, KC, Den, Oak, GB, Minn, Det and Chi. As of right now, we both have two wins against common opponents. What if we lose to both GB and Chi but Phil beats either Det, Minn or Chi? That would give them three wins compared to our two. They can also win both and we win one, yet Philly will still have one more win.

How have we already clinched it if we are both tied with 3 common opponents yet to play? Also, not sure how this non-common opponent is of any relevance to be honest.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I can get on board with that.

Clarence Hill ‏@clarencehilljr 1m
Saints have two games left with carolina and also play at an improving St. Louis..it could be new orleans coming to dallas

 

[windward]

Help me out then.........common games are teams we have both played, correct?

The teams we have both played are:
SD, KC, Den, Oak, GB, Minn, Det and Chi. As of right now, we both have two wins against common opponents. What if we lose to both GB and Chi but Phil beats either Det, Minn or Chi? That would give them three wins compared to our two. They can also win both and we win one, yet Philly will still have one more win.

How have we already clinched it if we are both tied with 3 common opponents yet to play? Also, not sure how this non-common opponent is of any relevance to be honest.

Say Dallas and Philly end up 9-7 with us losing to Was and Phi. If you subtract the non common opponents. We will be 9-5 and Philly 8-6. If we both finish 8-8. We will be 8-6 and they 7-7. If we go 10-6, we must beat either Wash or Philly giving us the tiebreaker unless Philly wins out. If we go 11-5, then e finish is obvious.

 

[DFWJC]

How so? First tie-breaker is head-to-head and one scenario example would have Philly winning the last game of course, that would be 1-1. Assuming we lose to both Wash and Phil but win against GB and Chi, we would end at 9-7. Lets say Philly ends at 9-7 as well with a win over us in week 17 ending at 9-7.

So, head to head would be a wash. Next up is division wins and we would both be 4-2, another wash. Then it goes to common opponents and we won't know that tiebreaker until the end of week 16.

My whole point was....Dallas can win the division with 9 wins(assuming we beat Wash) but I think Philly will need 10 wins if they win it due to us having the advantage in tiebreakers up to this point anyways. That Wash game is extremely important if it comes down to a tie.

IMO, if we win one of the next two and beat Wash, we win the division because I don't see Philly winning three of four. It is possible but unlikely.

Philly has already won 4 in a row. They will be favored in very game leading up to week 7, so I'm not sure why them winning 3 of 4 is so far-fetched.

 

[DFWJC]

Clarence Hill ‏@clarencehilljr 1m
Saints have two games left with carolina and also play at an improving St. Louis..it could be new orleans coming to dallas

I agree

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

If the Saints lose at the Seahawks tonight, I think the Panthers have equal odds with New Orleans of winning that division. They've won 8 in a row and look very, very good.

They do no doubt. I just don't think the Panthers are unbeatable. Very beatable team.