150M already committed to 2015 cap

[whynot]

I know Ware costs way too much, but given that DL is a major weakness, can we really afford to lose him?

 

[xwalker]

Highest in the league by about 20m (130M, NOLA). Resigning both Dez and Tyron doesn't seem easy without a Ware retirement.

Wrong!

 

[Nirvana]

And Ware says, "no thanks, cut me and deal with dead money while filling yet another hole". He'd still get a decent contract and would make more through free agency than he would a cut. Little incentive on his part except for playing the role of "good guy".

Staying in Dallas would be incentive. He's got three kids going to school there, etc. The "dead money" is more than he would make in free agency, so there is room for negotiation here. Let's see what happens. It is the right thing to do, and he hopefully will do it. Doug Free was not indicating he was going to take a pay cut either, then he did.

Looks like it's going up a little over $3M.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/12/11/2104-nfl-salary-cap/3994927/

That amount is already likely spoken for just based on salary increase for players currently on the roster.

I'm referring to 2015. The CBS Thursday night deal netted about 300 million. Divide that over 32 teams (48% goes to cap) and it's 4.5 million per team for salary cap purposes. I'm not cap guru but that's how I came up with the number. That's not taking into account the overall growing revenues the NFL sees each year, so the cap should grow beyond that.

 

[gmoney112]

Can we change the thread title please? This is blatant misinformation.

 

[Hoofbite]

If I am not mistaken the cash floor is not calculated on a year by year basis. I think it's four years.

Oh, is that right? You mean, kinda of like how I used the word "combined" when talking about the cash floor for the four year periods of 2013 to 2016 and 2017 to 2020? Or how I acknowledged that you can deviate in any particular year so long as you make up that difference in other years?

From 2013 through 2016 (and 2017 through 2020) teams have to spend 89% of the total combined cap in cash. They can be over or under in any given year so long as they are cap compliant but any difference must be made up in the other three years.

Or maybe how the second half of the post was basically about an extended look at the entire 4 years.

Using $130M and $135M for 2015 and 2016 (which I think is an optimistic number), teams will have had to spend $457M in cash payouts. If their numbers are correct that leaves only $56.5M of the combined cap for those years that can actually be "Prorated Bonus".

You don't think I'm under the impression that 89% of the salary cap in any given year is $457M, do you? Or did you just miss out on that monstrous number?

Both Dez and Tyron get new contracts soon. For simplicity sake, they both receive $10M as a signing bonus prior to 2015. That adds $4M to 2015 and $4M to 2016 in "Prorated Bonus", but also reduces the overall sum of cash spending by the combined $20M. That still puts Dallas at $39M under the 89% cash floor for the 4 year span.

Hey look, "4 year span".

Seriously, if you're going to try and take a jab at the argument you might want to actually know what the argument is and not just discount it and brush it aside immediately because you don't agree with my comments on the cap in other threads.

As I said, I haven't seen any talk on this particular aspect so I invite you or anyone else to put in your two cents. I'll willfully admit that I could be entirely wrong because this aspect of the CBA has never been in play and nobody's ever had to consider it but it's not that hard to see what kind of problem this could present if I am close to being right.

 

[Hoofbite]

Dead money isnt the same as counting against the cap. I don't give a crap how much a billionaire like JJ spends. What I care about is how much money we can use to keep and get the players that we need. So yeah.... cut ware unless he takes a massive incentive laden paycut

Dead money counts against the cap.

 

[starfrombirth]

Dead money counts against the cap.

everything I've read on here ( Im not a salary cap expert ) says that if he is cut then he counts as nothing against the cap so which is it? I'm confused. Does he count against the cap or not if he is cut after or even before June 1st?

 

[Hoofbite]

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/18/durkin-explaining-the-nfls-salary-cap/

Each individual team is required to spend a minimum of 89%, also known as the “cap floor.” When individual teams don’t meet the minimum team cash spending of 89%, a shortfall payment will be made directly to players who were on that roster for the applicable season.

http://www.draftbrowns.com/2012/12/the-myth-of-the-nfl-salary-cap-floor/

There are also 4 year periods to base the 89% cap floor on, 2013-2016 and 2017-2020.

It appears that the floor is defined by two specific four year intervals.

Here's a snap of some of the stipulations. I point this out because it gives a sum of the 4 year period.

http://i5.***BLOCKED***/albums/y188/thehoofbite/ScreenShot2014-02-07at80732AM.jpg

 

[conner01]

And Ware says, "no thanks, cut me and deal with dead money while filling yet another hole". He'd still get a decent contract and would make more through free agency than he would a cut. Little incentive on his part except for playing the role of "good guy".



Looks like it's going up a little over $3M.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/12/11/2104-nfl-salary-cap/3994927/

That amount is already likely spoken for just based on salary increase for players currently on the roster.

you could offer a cut to ware that still pays him more than he can get on the open market and still save us money. don't know if that will happen but it's very possible. you can't convert his salary to incentives. if you restructure it converts to bonus money

 

[Hoofbite]

everything I've read on here ( Im not a salary cap expert ) says that if he is cut then he counts as nothing against the cap so which is it? I'm confused. Does he count against the cap or not if he is cut after or even before June 1st?

He counts, but only counts less than if he were on the roster.

http://i5.***BLOCKED***/albums/y188/thehoofbite/ScreenShot2014-02-07at80959AM.jpg

This is from Spotrac. The dead money column is how much would be applied to the cap if the player were not on the roster for that season.

His cap hit is scheduled to be $16M but if he were cut all the money from the bolded value in the "MISC." column accelerates so if he's cut the team has a cap charge of $8.5M

They can split it to some degree by designating him a June 1st cut.

All that money in the "MISC." column has been given to Ware so it has to count against the cap no matter what. Dallas will have cap charges for Ware in 2014 no matter what.

 

[Hoofbite]

you could offer a cut to ware that still pays him more than he can get on the open market and still save us money. don't know if that will happen but it's very possible. you can't convert his salary to incentives. if you restructure it converts to bonus money

Doubtful. When he signs a new deal he gets a signing bonus. Dumervil got $7.5M in SB. Even if a team gave him $5M as a signing bonus, his base salary would make it a $6M deal for the first year.

Provided he would be willing to take $6M as his base salary, Dallas is in the lovely position of having to add $3.75M for all their past restructuring which would make his cap figure $10M for the 1 year.

How low will he go? Even at a 50% paycut he still carries a $10M cap charge. Whatever his cap charge is for 2014, given an equal number between Dallas and another team Ware would make $4M more on another team.

 

[Bungarian]

As the Skins have proved for years there is always a way around the cap.

 

[Hoofbite]

As the Skins have proved for years there is always a way around the cap.

Yeah, the beacon of success in the NFL.

 

[Bungarian]

Yeah, the beacon of success in the NFL.

I didn't say it was good. Just that teams find a way around cap.

 

[xwalker]

you could offer a cut to ware that still pays him more than he can get on the open market and still save us money. don't know if that will happen but it's very possible. you can't convert his salary to incentives. if you restructure it converts to bonus money

How would they know his market price?

They could cut him, let him test the market and then re-sign him if the price if right.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

http://i1195.***BLOCKED***/albums/aa383/CowboysRemix/DC14/2015cap_zpsf82fbed5.jpg

where did you get 150mil? $130,589,523 Right now they are 4.5 mil over the cap

ESPN Football Today podcast with the guest from "overthecap.com"

Romo2Austin shouldn't be allowed to make threads anymore

And why is that? This is pretty darn big news worthy of discussion...

 

[Little Jr]

What I've learned about the cap over the past several years is we are always ove. Fans always freak about it. We always get under . We can always sign fas. It will catch up to us. It never does. And wait til adam post about it.

 

[Alexander]

I didn't say it was good. Just that teams find a way around cap.

They have no choice but to do so.

It is not optional. So making it under is nothing to be proud of.

 

[DavidS]

And why is that? This is pretty darn big news worthy of discussion...

This..

What I've learned about the cap over the past several years is we are always over. Fans always freak about it. We always get under . We can always sign fas. It will catch up to us. It never does. And wait til adam post about it.

 

[DFWJC]

the year is 2014 sir, not 2015.

see thread title
2015