20 Questions: 12 - who needs to take a bigger leap, Guyton or Mazi

[BoyzBlaster]

Mazi's ceiling is JAG, Guyton has potential at least, so Guyton.

 

[Rockport]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/12-who-needs-to-take-a-bigger-leap-guyton-or-mazi

Some interesting answers. As these two players have been discussed many times on here already.
I say both need to.

2 say Mazi, 2 say Guyton, as that is more important as to protecting the QB.
Mazi on his 3rd DC in 3 years. But still he was a 1st round pick, for which KC wanted to trade up with Dallas to select him. But Dallas wanted to stay in the 1st round. Mazi was playing better toward the end of last season.

Guyton on his 2nd OL coach as well. But supposedly shown some good signs in OTA's and mini camp. He did have a few minor injuries last season as well, could have held him back a little bit on his development.

We really will not know much from TC, except they may say they are having a good TC. But show us for real in game 1.

I’m with you Jazz. Both need to show much improvement. Mazi, being in his 3rd year probably feels the most pressure. Hopefully that will get him going.

 

[Rockport]

Mazi's ceiling is JAG, Guyton has potential at least, so Guyton.

He’s on his 3rd different OL coach so I’m willing to cut him some slack. He’s got the size and just needs to dedicate himself more. I heard on one of the podcasts that Solari was preaching one hand down and one hand up or some nonsense like that and the players tried but gave up on it midway through last year. So the coaches get a lot of blame for the offensive line woes last year.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/12-who-needs-to-take-a-bigger-leap-guyton-or-mazi

Some interesting answers. As these two players have been discussed many times on here already.
I say both need to.

2 say Mazi, 2 say Guyton, as that is more important as to protecting the QB.
Mazi on his 3rd DC in 3 years. But still he was a 1st round pick, for which KC wanted to trade up with Dallas to select him. But Dallas wanted to stay in the 1st round. Mazi was playing better toward the end of last season.

Guyton on his 2nd OL coach as well. But supposedly shown some good signs in OTA's and mini camp. He did have a few minor injuries last season as well, could have held him back a little bit on his development.

We really will not know much from TC, except they may say they are having a good TC. But show us for real in game 1.

Guyton.

Otherwise this offense is cooked.

 

[gtb1943]

And lack of lateral agility. A big part of standing your ground is being able to mirror the defenders moves coming in. Good DT's don't come in in a straight line, they're moving side to side.

No, the biggest part of standing your ground is EXACTLY THAT
agility is a plus but planting your feet and standing up the guy blocking on you is the critical factor

 

[kskboys]

No, the biggest part of standing your ground is EXACTLY THAT
agility is a plus but planting your feet and standing up the guy blocking on you is the critical factor

No, it's not. It's staying in front of the defenders. NFL DTs will easily get around you if you just stand there.

 

[conner01]

Not just this, but the standard of his position is higher........but I will say this again, he DOESN'T have to be Tyron Smith. Just prove he can hold his water as an NFL starter.

Exactly. We just need him to be a legit starter quality player. Can’t have a HOF player at every position. I’m really excited about what we could be on the interior oline. Beebe is gonna be a really good player and we could have 2 really good guards. The key is running the ball. That helps the tackles, that helps the recievers, that helps the QB. If teams have to respect the run it opens up the entire offense

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

They don't need to take a jump.

They need to take a hike.

One of the worst flaws of our team is that it refuses to acknowledge mistakes, and won't rip the bandaid off and just move on quickly and fix the problem.

5 years from now....they'll both still be on the team, underperforming, and there will be posts in here in July saying "Mazi is going to breakout this year guys, book it!"

 

[Hawkeye0202]

5 years from now....they'll both still be on the team, underperforming, and there will be posts in here in July saying "Mazi is going to breakout this year guys, book it!"

This is silly......you have no clue where these players will be "5 years" from now. Tap down....Mr. Expert (lol)

 

[TNCowboy]

Guyton. Mazi is a lost cause. No hope of being anything more than a jag.

 

[McKDaddy]

Buy i like whos backing up Guyton more than I do Mazi.

This!!! We don't have any other options on the DL. We have options if Guyton isn't cutting it.

Also, the OL can function without a top notch LT. It has been proven for many years, our interior D is our obvious weak spot and what every team will use to beat us.

 

[TNCowboy]

This!!! We don't have any other options on the DL. We have options if Guyton isn't cutting it.

Also, the OL can function without a top notch LT. It has been proven for many years, our interior D is our obvious weak spot and what every team will use to beat us.

Street FAs outplayed Mazi. No chance he is ever an average starter. Guyton might have a chance to at least be adequate.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Guyton, by a landslide. Guyton has in spades what Mazi does not. Topnotch NFL talent.

Mazi was always going to be limited by his lack of agility. That's why he gets blown off the ball all the time. He's quite simply not an NFL starter.

I’m gonna go the other way. If Guyton stays the same, he’s still good enough to make the 53. There’s no reason to hold on to Mazi if he doesn’t improve. His career is in the line

 

[gtb1943]

No, it's not. It's staying in front of the defenders. NFL DTs will easily get around you if you just stand there.

we are talking about a DT dude
And you are deliberately being obtuse. Engaging someone is not just standing there

 

[gtb1943]

IF the question is which player for himself needs to take the bigger step then its easily Mazi. Two years of failure with some mediocrity and a little as average means unless he wants to be considered a complete bust he must step up large this year. IF he does not, then he is going to be warming a bench until his contract runs out.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

This is silly......you have no clue where these players will be "5 years" from now. Tap down....Mr. Expert (lol)

Maybe ur right.

It's not like Jerry ever let's guys linger and linger year after year, refusing to admit mistakes, and instead giving the underperformers contract extensions

Hehehehebe

 

[Hawkeye0202]

It's not like Jerry ever let's guys linger and linger year after year, refusing to admit mistakes

Who said Guyton and Smith are mistakes? Especially after just a couple of years. Both players still have plenty of time. Hell, Mazi showed significant improvement last season but his bar was so low, he needs to do it again

 

[kskboys]

Mazi's ceiling is JAG, Guyton has potential at least, so Guyton.

I find it puzzling when I see several claiming Mazi has all this talent. Hey, go into detail and define what this talent is, because I don't see it. He was soso in college, same as now.

 

[kskboys]

Who said Guyton and Smith are mistakes? Especially after just a couple of years. Both players still have plenty of time. Hell, Mazi showed significant improvement last season but his bar was so low, he needs to do it again

Smith was a huge mistake.

Guyton? Not really. Overdrafted a bit due to being very raw, and thrown into the starting role way too soon, absolutely. However, Guyton has top 10 talent.

Smith does not possess the talent to play at a really high level, these two should not be grouped together.

 

[kskboys]

we are talking about a DT dude
And you are deliberately being obtuse. Engaging someone is not just standing there

Actually, I thought it was you being obtuse!!!!

I'm not being anything, I'm simply explaining what it takes to play NT at a high level. It's not just holding your ground, it's being able to shuffle over quickly to stay in front of your guy. And for a NT to require double teams, he absolutely must have pocket collapsing/penetrating ability. Which means quick feet, strength, and lateral agility. No one has to double a NT who holds his ground and nothing more.

The obtuse comment was out of line, BTW, no reason for that in a discussion.

Jerry has absolutely no clue the talent needed in a NT to play at a really high level. 2 down NTs are easy to find, it's the 3 down ones that cause disruption that we should be aiming for. Unfortunately, Jerry doesn't understand this.