2006 draft review, 3 years later

[Bob Sacamano]

E.J. Whitley

totally forgot he even existed

anyone know of his journey w/ us, how long did he stick around?

 

[Woods]

totally forgot he even existed

anyone know of his journey w/ us, how long did he stick around?

I thought he was put on IR his first year with us and subsequently cut the year after.

 

[Disturbed]

totally forgot he even existed

anyone know of his journey w/ us, how long did he stick around?

Injured...never made team....

 

[Idgit]

Edited as redundant.

 

[Idgit]

You guys are cherry-picking years with below-average drafts, then criticizing the late-round picks for being backups. Silly. Carpenter has been a bust to-date. Granted. Criticizing a draft because it has a probowl kicker or because you don't like the starting fullback also doesn't make much sense.

I think you guys just want to feel bad about something this afternoon.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I thought he was put on IR his first year with us and subsequently cut the year after.

maybe that was our last attempt at drafting Texas Tech Olineman? those guys need a lot of work because their offense is so wierd, I wonder if Vasquez will be different

 

[Disturbed]

So why was Dallas average for most of the past decade....well look no farther than the draft. Jerry has not hit his 80% goal...

2007 2 of 8 - 25% F
2006 2 of 8 - 25% F
2005 6 of 8 - 75% A
2004 1 of 7 - 14% F
2003 4 of 7 - 58% B
2002 2 of 9 - 22% F
2001 0 of 9 - 0% F
2000 0 of 5 - 0% F

If you would like to look at list of players http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/draft_history.cfm .

Two years of success look like the exception not the rule.

 

[speedkilz88]

totally forgot he even existed

anyone know of his journey w/ us, how long did he stick around?

Hurt his knee as a rookie, maybe in minicamp. Next season they cut him before training camp even started.

 

[Woods]

So why was Dallas average for most of the past decade....well look no farther than the draft. Jerry has not hit his 80% goal...

2007 2 of 8 - 25% F
2006 2 of 8 - 25% F
2005 6 of 8 - 75% A
2004 1 of 7 - 14% F
2003 4 of 7 - 58% B
2002 2 of 9 - 22% F
2001 0 of 9 - 0% F
2000 0 of 5 - 0% F

If you would like to look at list of players http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/draft_history.cfm .

Two years of success look like the exception not the rule.

A couple of comments on your post:

1. While I think it's a worthy goal to hit about 80% in this year's (or any year's) draft, it doesn't occur often.

That's why I'd try to pick up 1 more Secondary player in FA at the very least - esp if we're probably not going to be using all 11 picks anyways.

2. I think we've been drafting better the past two years because we're not forcing picks.

Remember the year we were short on CBs and we drafted Larrimore, Edwards, and the guy from Ohio St. (can't think of his name right now)?

Or when we really needed a QB and we angled for Q Carter? And Dixon at Safety?

I think it's when we have real needs at starter positions and that's when our drafts are more likely to head south.

3. Also, since the BP era, I think JJ has better "fine-tuned" how they approach the Draft. It seems that their ideology is better set.


Now, after saying all this, I hope I'm not jinxing them! :laugh2:

 

[dozin_theknick]

So why was Dallas average for most of the past decade....well look no farther than the draft. Jerry has not hit his 80% goal...

2007 2 of 8 - 25% F
2006 2 of 8 - 25% F
2005 6 of 8 - 75% A
2004 1 of 7 - 14% F
2003 4 of 7 - 58% B
2002 2 of 9 - 22% F
2001 0 of 9 - 0% F
2000 0 of 5 - 0% F

If you would like to look at list of players http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/draft_history.cfm .

Two years of success look like the exception not the rule.

An 80% standard is rediculous. That means you need to hit on rounds 1-5 and either 6 or 7. It just isnt reasonable. I think 60% is more realistic, meaning you need to hit on the first 3, 4 & 5 should hit 75% of the time and 6 & 7 should not be expected to be more than crap shoots and ST players.

 

[Disturbed]

You guys are cherry-picking years with below-average drafts, then criticizing the late-round picks for being backups. Silly. Carpenter has been a bust to-date. Granted. Criticizing a draft because it has a probowl kicker or because you don't like the starting fullback also doesn't make much sense.

I think you guys just want to feel bad about something this afternoon.

I think the criticism is fair if you look over the past decades draft performance. We understand that 50% is probably average, but we have not even performed at that level.

If you want to be positive then we can look at this years draft class and pick out OL that we the "fans" think will be successful....can't do any worse than the Cowboys have over the past 8 years.

 

[Disturbed]

A couple of comments on your post:

1. While I think it's a worthy goal to hit about 80% in this year's (or any year's) draft, it doesn't occur often.

That's why I'd try to pick up 1 more Secondary player in FA at the very least - esp if we're probably not going to be using all 11 picks anyways.

2. I think we've been drafting better the past two years because we're not forcing picks.

Remember the year we were short on CBs and we drafted Larrimore, Edwards, and the guy from Ohio St. (can't think of his name right now)?

Or when we really needed a QB and we angled for Q Carter? And Dixon at Safety?

I think it's when we have real needs at starter positions and that's when our drafts are more likely to head south.

3. Also, since the BP era, I think JJ has better "fine-tuned" how they approach the Draft. It seems that their ideology is better set.


Now, after saying all this, I hope I'm not jinxing them! :laugh2:

I agree for the most part -- the FA makes me nervous...but I'd agree if reasonably priced and young. Now how do we fine tune the offensive line picks...does this mean we have reached for projects instead of taking the known commodity.

 

[Woods]

I agree for the most part -- the FA makes me nervous...but I'd agree if reasonably priced and young. Now how do we fine tune the offensive line picks...does this mean we have reached for projects instead of taking the known commodity.

Well the Jacob Rogers pick seemed to be doomed from the beginning.

As I recall, the Dallas Cowboys scouts were not in favor of the pick, but rather B Parcells. He really liked the player. Unfortunately, Rogers also had an injury history at USC. Anyway, we all know what happened there.

As for guys like Whitely, he was a 7th rounder (if I remember correctly), and got injured in camp.

S Peterman is playing for the Lions, but I think the knock on him was he did get injured in pre-season or TC his 2nd year with us (thumb injury, I think) and I think BP sort of soured on him. Also, I think the knock on him coming out of LSU was that he didn't have the necessary agility in the passing game to pick up blockers. That negative seems to be true.

I give Free a pass for now. He came from a small school, was a project, etc. I think this TC is key for him. Same for McQuisten.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Remember the year we were short on CBs and we drafted Larrimore, Edwards, and the guy from Ohio St. (can't think of his name right now)?

Derek Ross?

 

[Common Sense]

So why was Dallas average for most of the past decade....well look no farther than the draft. Jerry has not hit his 80% goal...

2007 2 of 8 - 25% F
2006 2 of 8 - 25% F
2005 6 of 8 - 75% A
2004 1 of 7 - 14% F
2003 4 of 7 - 58% B
2002 2 of 9 - 22% F
2001 0 of 9 - 0% F
2000 0 of 5 - 0% F

If you would like to look at list of players http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/draft_history.cfm .

Two years of success look like the exception not the rule.

That's entirely misleading, because you haven't taken into account players who went on to start or at least kept a roster spot elsewhere after leaving the Cowboys, besides the 2005 draft.

 

[Woods]

Derek Ross?

Ohhh yhea. That was his name.

And while we're on that draft, if I remember correctly, both Ross and Larrimore had certain "character" issues. We drafted them anyway.

I think we've changed our philosophy since then.

 

[mmillman]

This is exactly what I have been saying. Jones is inept. The draft and free agency have been disasters under him as GM/owner. Parcells is the only reason this team has talent. I know that the above is partially on him but he had other acquisitions to level that out.

Dallas has talent now but I can't see how Dallas stays long term competitive without a real football man in charge. Not an oil man playing with his toys.
Really sad as I have been a huge Cowboy fan for a long long time.

 

[jterrell]

2006: D -- One of BP's worst ever drafts lead largely by his personal involvement with too many of these guys.

Decent Value --Pat McQuistan, Pat Watkins, Jason Hatcher

All still on the squad and fair values for their selections. Hatcher was a late 3rd, Watkins a 5th and McQ was a 7th. Watkins play on special teams and as a backup safety warrant a r5. McQ hasn't done anything but make teams yet a 7th even making a team is good.

Below Value --Carpenter, Fasano, Green

Carp is a part-time special teams player who struggles to make game rosters.
Might as well be named Mike Mamula for his use of his athleticism. Fasano is an adequate TE but never proved to b a good enough prospect to warrant a 2nd round selection. As with Carpenter BP reached for guys he had a link to. Green reminded BP of Joe Morris and he went insane and drafted him. Green couldn't catch a cold and his collegiate body of left left much to be desired in his final year. This is the BP bust section.

No value --Whitley and Stanley.

Very late picks that just couldn't cut it.

 

[Common Sense]

Stanley actually started a few games for the Falcons a couple years ago and Green caught a few balls for Cincinnati, I believe. Fasano has been a serviceable TE.. he just wasn't drafted for the Boys' current system.

 

[Woods]

This is exactly what I have been saying. Jones is inept. The draft and free agency have been disasters under him as GM/owner. Parcells is the only reason this team has talent. I know that the above is partially on him but he had other acquisitions to level that out.

Dallas has talent now but I can't see how Dallas stays long term competitive without a real football man in charge. Not an oil man playing with his toys.
Really sad as I have been a huge Cowboy fan for a long long time.

I'm not going to disagree with you that ideally the Cowboys need a "real" GM. Though we all know that's not going to happen as long as JJ owns the team . . . .

However, SOLELY on the point of the Draft the last few years, esp since BP departed, I think JJ has done a good job. Dare I say even a very good job, esp when you look at the competition.

I think what JJ has done is better developed a framework within the Cowboys organization in which to draft players. I think the organization now better knows and has better defined the evaluation process.