2006 draft review, 3 years later

[RoadRunner]

Ohhh yhea. That was his name.

And while we're on that draft, if I remember correctly, both Ross and Larrimore had certain "character" issues. We drafted them anyway.

I think we've changed our philosophy since then.

Nah you guys are thinking of Dwayne Goodrich from Tennessee. He was the first DB (and first overall pick for Dallas) of the three taken that year (larrimore and Edwards being the other two in that order).

 

[jterrell]

Actually, that's not bad, IMO.

I think anytime you have 4-5 guys of your draft class playing significant minutes for you, your scouts are doing their job.

Personally, I feel if you can hit on about 50-60% of your picks, you're doing very well.

No doubt.

That was a fair class, probably a C. Folk and Anderson are unquestioned starters. Brown and Ball are still on the team and were very late selections who were long shots to ever make a roster.

I have been down on Spncer as much as anyone but he has never fallen out of the teams plans and is the de facto starter right now.

If you are adding 5 starters every draft your team really suck.
You want guys that can play at the NFL and who hopefully fit your system.
3 starters is nothing to complain about.

 

[Woods]

Nah you guys are thinking of Dwayne Goodrich from Tennessee. He was the first DB (and first overall pick for Dallas) of the three taken that year (larrimore and Edwards being the other two in that order).

Good God, Goodrich was terrible as well. Another CB gone bad. You're correct. That was the trio.

D Ross was part of the Antonio Bryant class, correct? (And Bryant was another guy who slipped partly because of character concerns at Pitt.)

 

[jterrell]

This is exactly what I have been saying. Jones is inept. The draft and free agency have been disasters under him as GM/owner. Parcells is the only reason this team has talent. I know that the above is partially on him but he had other acquisitions to level that out.

Dallas has talent now but I can't see how Dallas stays long term competitive without a real football man in charge. Not an oil man playing with his toys.
Really sad as I have been a huge Cowboy fan for a long long time.

Jerry's had one draft minus Bill and it would rank as the 2nd best of the past 7 years.

Not sure I'd try to use that argument for why Jerry shouldn't GM.
I'd say there might be other issues to discuss but drafting is hard to point to. We were coming off of a 13 win season and still found a significant number of rookies helping the cause.

Now anyone wanting to go backwards and look at the Lacewell/Jerry drafts can of course point fingers all day. Those were some of the very drafts of all-time by any team.

 

[JonJon]

2008 has a very strong chance of being 5 of 6 for 83%.

Round Player Position College Selection No.
1 FELIX JONES RB Arkansas 22
1 MIKE JENKINS CB South Florida 25
2 MARTELLUS BENNETT TE Texas A&M 61
4 TASHARD CHOICE RB Georgia Tech 122
5 ORLANDO SCANDRICK CB Boise State 143
6 ERIK WALDEN LB Middle Tennessee 167

 

[tomson75]

Below Value --Carpenter, Fasano, Green

Fasano is better than you're giving him credit for. He's been fairly productive for Miami. He shouldn't even be in the same sentence as those two.

 

[Woods]

2008 has a very strong chance of being 5 of 6 for 83%.

Round Player Position College Selection No.
1 FELIX JONES RB Arkansas 22
1 MIKE JENKINS CB South Florida 25
2 MARTELLUS BENNETT TE Texas A&M 61
4 TASHARD CHOICE RB Georgia Tech 122
5 ORLANDO SCANDRICK CB Boise State 143
6 ERIK WALDEN LB Middle Tennessee 167

IF this class stays healthy, it could be excellent all around for us.

I think Choice and Scandrick are players, pure and simple.

As is F Jones. He just needs to be healthy.

Bennett can be a stud TE, he just needs to stay focused.

If every draft could be as good as this . . . .

JJ would have to give himself a raise.

 

[jterrell]

Fasano is better than you're giving him credit for. He's been fairly productive for Miami. He shouldn't even be in the same sentence as those two.

He was a second round pick and those guys should be able to play. Fasano has extremely pedestrian numbers. His Cowboy tenure was awful and frankly his Dolphin numbers are at best mediocre.

He was drafted in that round 2 between Klopenstein or whatever of the Rams who is a one dimensional blocker but has 38 starts and Tony Sheffler of the Broncs who has only 17 starts but over 100 catches for 1400 yards with 12 TDs. Fasano has 27 starts, 62 catches and 8 TDs. So even with his "breakout" 2008 he's still below average.

Fasano was also supposed to be the most NFL ready of these TEs and then came in here and was so bad we had to mostly scrap the two TE offense we had planned.

I will grant he isn't as bad as the other 2 guys on the same line but he is certainly a below average value for round 2.

Devin Hester, Richard Marshall and Maurice Jones-Drew were all sitting there for the taking and came off the board shortly after we reached for Fasano. Too bad none of those guys had played for a BP protege like Fasano had.

 

[tomson75]

He was a second round pick and those guys should be able to play. Fasano has extremely pedestrian numbers. His Cowboy tenure was awful and frankly his Dolphin numbers are at best mediocre.

He was drafted in that round 2 between Klopenstein or whatever of the Rams who is a one dimensional blocker but has 38 starts and Tony Sheffler of the Broncs who has only 17 starts but over 100 catches for 1400 yards with 12 TDs. Fasano has 27 starts, 62 catches and 8 TDs. So even with his "breakout" 2008 he's still below average.

Fasano was also supposed to be the most NFL ready of these TEs and then came in here and was so bad we had to mostly scrap the two TE offense we had planned.

I will grant he isn't as bad as the other 2 guys on the same line but he is certainly a below average value for round 2.

Devin Hester, Richard Marshall and Maurice Jones-Drew were all sitting there for the taking and came off the board shortly after we reached for Fasano. Too bad none of those guys had played for a BP protege like Fasano had.

Like I said. You don't give him enough credit. He was better than mediocre, and his reception and yardage numbers were hindered by the dreaded 2 TE system you speak of.

6th among TE's (10 or more receptions) in YPC.
3rd in TD's.
1st in 1st down %

His tenure here was uneventful. Whether or not it was due to performance, intelligence, the system, etc....but if used properly, he's clearly a serviceable starter in the NFL.

You can sit around and pout about who "came off the board when", but all of the crying in the world won't change the fact that we took him, and that he's been productive in Miami. Those two things are called "facts".

Perhaps he wasn't as NFL ready as our scouts thought, or maybe our coaches didn't know how to use him....but that doesn't change his play. He's better than mediocre.

That being said....I'm glad he's gone.

 

[JonJon]

IF this class stays healthy, it could be excellent all around for us.

I think Choice and Scandrick are players, pure and simple.

As is F Jones. He just needs to be healthy.

Bennett can be a stud TE, he just needs to stay focused.

If every draft could be as good as this . . . .

JJ would have to give himself a raise.

I think this past draft is a great example of what drafting the best player available can do for you. You can say that F. Jones and Jenkins were needs, but they were also the BPA when we picked. We then got another stud TE to go along with what we have and we also got another great RB with Choice. He was our targeted BPA and we traded down multiple times and still got him. Scandrick turned out to be a player as well. I hope we go into this draft with the same stradegy.

 

[JonJon]

Like I said. You don't give him enough credit. He was better than mediocre, and his reception and yardage numbers were hindered by the dreaded 2 TE system you speak of.

6th among TE's (10 or more receptions) in YPC.
3rd in TD's.
1st in 1st down %

His tenure here was uneventful. Whether or not it was due to performance, intelligence, the system, etc....but if used properly, he's clearly a serviceable starter in the NFL.

You can sit around and pout about who "came off the board when", but all of the crying in the world won't change the fact that we took him, and that he's been productive in Miami. Those two things are called "facts".

Perhaps he wasn't as NFL ready as our scouts thought, or maybe our coaches didn't know how to use him....but that doesn't change his play. He's better than mediocre.

That being said....I'm glad he's gone.

I didn't think Fasano was that bad here. He did have a few drops in key moments but overall I think he did his role well. People also forget that he was the 2nd string TE behind Witten, so obviously he isn't going to put up starter numbers, but he turned out to be a decent starter in Miami.

 

[Hypnotoad]

The entire first round of 2006 is littered with underachievers. I'd say the best players drafted in first were:

Mario Williams (1st pick - Houston - dodged reggie bush bullet)
Cutler (3rd QB - pick 11 - Denver)
Ngata (1st DT - pick 12 - Baltimore)
our pick was here #18
Cromartie (5th CB - pick 19 - San Diego)
Laurence Maroney (RB - 21 - New England)
Santonio Holmes (WR - 25 - Pittsburgh)
DeAngelo Williams (RB - 27 - Carolina)
Joseph Addai (RB - 30 - Indianapolis)
Mathias Kiwanuka (DE - 32 - New York)

I am not sold on the vast superiority of half of those players still... theres good reason players like reggie bush, vince young , and matt lienart did not make this list.

Bobby was definitely one of the worst picks that first round. I don't think any player has had less starts in 3 years. Fortunately, we didn't miss with 2 first round picks like Buffalo did or we would have had worst draft that year.

Regarding only our draft, hope this puts the myth of the amazing parcells never miss to rest.

 

[DC5488]

it will take this franchise a long time to overcome the damage bill purcell did to it.

 

[SharutoX]

Deangelo....