2010 Owners Collusion on Salary Cap

[theSHOW]

2010 Owners Collusion on Salary Cap

While many of thought this subject was dead the NFLPA has other thoughts and is getting a court hearing 1-14-2014 before the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Representatives from the NFL and NFLPA will each have 20 minutes to argue their points before the 3 judge panel.

The NFLPA is appealing the ruling of U.S. District Judge David Doty's rejection of the Union's attempt to reopen the Reggie White Lawsuit that has served as the basis for NFL labor matters from 1993 to 2011.

The NFLPA alleges the Owners had a covert cap to hold down salaries in the uncapped year of 2010.

The above paraphrased from the DMN sports page.

TUESDAY, JANUARY 14, 2014, BEGINNING AT 9:00 A.M.
BEFORE JUDGES RILEY, WOLLMAN, SHEPHERD
JPP 1. 13-1251MN Reggie White, et al. v. National Football
League, et al.
13-1480MN Reggie White, et al. v. National Football
League, et al. 20
2. ( from the court docket )
This should be a slam dunk for the NFLPA with the sanctions imposed on the Cowboys and Commanders as the smoking gun.

Anybody think John Mara is kicking himself for being a prick about the sanctions on the Cowboys and Commanders ?

Just wondering if the Union wins how that will affect football as we know it ?


thought y'all might want to know what was going on

 

[Beast_from_East]

2010 Owners Collusion on Salary Cap

While many of thought this subject was dead the NFLPA has other thoughts and is getting a court hearing 1-14-2014 before the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Representatives from the NFL and NFLPA will each have 20 minutes to argue their points before the 3 judge panel.

The NFLPA is appealing the ruling of U.S. District Judge David Doty's rejection of the Union's attempt to reopen the Reggie White Lawsuit that has served as the basis for NFL labor matters from 1993 to 2011.

The NFLPA alleges the Owners had a covert cap to hold down salaries in the uncapped year of 2010.

The above paraphrased from the DMN sports page.

TUESDAY, JANUARY 14, 2014, BEGINNING AT 9:00 A.M.
BEFORE JUDGES RILEY, WOLLMAN, SHEPHERD
JPP 1. 13-1251MN Reggie White, et al. v. National Football
League, et al.
13-1480MN Reggie White, et al. v. National Football
League, et al. 20
2. ( from the court docket )
This should be a slam dunk for the NFLPA with the sanctions imposed on the Cowboys and Commanders as the smoking gun.

Anybody think John Mara is kicking himself for being a prick about the sanctions on the Cowboys and Commanders ?

Just wondering if the Union wins how that will affect football as we know it ?


thought y'all might want to know what was going on

Interesting.

 

[Direwolf63]

I think it's obvious to anybody with common sense that the owners colluded to hold down salaries in an uncapped year. Penalizing the Cowboys and Commanders for cap violations in an uncapped year speaks for itself. It was a joke. Even Chris Collinsworth said something about it on a Sunday night game recently.

But the horses have left the barn. Even if the court reverses the prior decision, the penalties were imposed and the teams were penalized unfairly. Those years aren't coming back.

The proper way to fix it is to give $5M of additional salary cap to the Cowboys for the next 2 years and the Skins $18M to make up for the losses. But that will never happen.

 

[CashMan]

2010 Owners Collusion on Salary Cap

While many of thought this subject was dead the NFLPA has other thoughts and is getting a court hearing 1-14-2014 before the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Representatives from the NFL and NFLPA will each have 20 minutes to argue their points before the 3 judge panel.

The NFLPA is appealing the ruling of U.S. District Judge David Doty's rejection of the Union's attempt to reopen the Reggie White Lawsuit that has served as the basis for NFL labor matters from 1993 to 2011.

The NFLPA alleges the Owners had a covert cap to hold down salaries in the uncapped year of 2010.

The above paraphrased from the DMN sports page.

TUESDAY, JANUARY 14, 2014, BEGINNING AT 9:00 A.M.
BEFORE JUDGES RILEY, WOLLMAN, SHEPHERD
JPP 1. 13-1251MN Reggie White, et al. v. National Football
League, et al.
13-1480MN Reggie White, et al. v. National Football
League, et al. 20
2. ( from the court docket )
This should be a slam dunk for the NFLPA with the sanctions imposed on the Cowboys and Commanders as the smoking gun.

Anybody think John Mara is kicking himself for being a prick about the sanctions on the Cowboys and Commanders ?

Just wondering if the Union wins how that will affect football as we know it ?


thought y'all might want to know what was going on

My question would be: If there was no "Collusion", what was the NFLPA expecting salaries to be? Like the MLB? Is that what the NFLPA wants, an MLB type ran league? Because that does not work for the small market team, to be able to compete.

 

[Direwolf63]

My question would be: If there was no "Collusion", what was the NFLPA expecting salaries to be? Like the MLB? Is that what the NFLPA wants, an MLB type ran league? Because that does not work for the small market team, to be able to compete.

In an uncapped year, teams should not be penalized for cap violations. Pretty simple really. In that particular year, if some team wanted to pay a guy $50M, they should have been able to do so.

Jerry tried a pay Miles Austin a huge sum in that uncapped year, then low salaries after that because Jerry knew the cap would return. For that, he got penalized. That's collusion, IMO. But I'm not a lawyer.

 

[Stash]

I was and am still shocked that the league fined the Cowboys and Commanders.

They clearly showed everyone that collusion existed and any non-corrupt court would see that.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I hope the league gets their butts handed to them over this obviously unethical behavior. I wanted Jones and Snyder to team up to fight this and was disappointed when they didn't. I think Jones stopped fighting because he wants another Super Bowl in Dallas.

 

[Hostile]

I was and am still shocked that the league fined the Cowboys and Commanders.

They clearly showed everyone that collusion existed and any non-corrupt court would see that.

Agreed, but even if the courts rule it was collusion, the only beneficiaries of this would be the NFLPA and its clients. Not the Cowboys or Commanders.

 

[theSHOW]

Agreed, but even if the courts rule it was collusion, the only beneficiaries of this would be the NFLPA and its clients. Not the Cowboys or Commanders.

I think something could very well come from this and most likely not a dime towards Dallas or Washington for any cap relief. The NFLPA isn't fighting any battle for the boys or skins here. This is pure labor matters and as was said.....John Mara will sure look the fool part if this implodes on the league

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

The proper way to fix it is to give $5M of additional salary cap to the Cowboys for the next 2 years and the Skins $18M to make up for the losses. But that will never happen.

In all honesty the Commanders and Cowboys should get treble damages, considering the significant impact it had on both franchises ability to field competitive teams.

The salary cap is at 126M for this coming year. Let us go back to 2012 when the cap was at 120M per year.

Average "cap cost" per player on the roster (120M/53) would be 2.26M.

The Cowboys could have had 2 more quality players as opposed to lower level backups on at the d-line or LB spot. With the injuries your D suffered, that depth cannot be measured

Likewise the Commanders were docked 18M per year, meaning 7.95 quality players (I'll round up and say 8) were docked from the team, a crippling penalty that certainly had an impact on the 2013 team (it was not *the* reason for the terrible season, but certainly had an impact)

Considering the disproportionate penalty the Cowboys should get 15M per year extra the next 2 seasons to make up for the devastating penalty. I would even settle for double damages.

Completely arbitrary, unfair and illegal were the penalties and the NFLPA along with the US DOJ allowed the NFL to get away with collusion.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I think it's obvious to anybody with common sense that the owners colluded to hold down salaries in an uncapped year. Penalizing the Cowboys and Commanders for cap violations in an uncapped year speaks for itself. It was a joke. Even Chris Collinsworth said something about it on a Sunday night game recently.

But the horses have left the barn. Even if the court reverses the prior decision, the penalties were imposed and the teams were penalized unfairly. Those years aren't coming back.

The proper way to fix it is to give $5M of additional salary cap to the Cowboys for the next 2 years and the Skins $18M to make up for the losses. But that will never happen.

I say give the Cowboys back the 10 million we lost, plus an extra 5 for the cowboys, take the extra 5, PLUS THE 10 MILLON AWAY FROM GIANTS AND MARA, THAT WILL TEACH HIM, LYING AND COVERUP DOESNT PAY, especially giants owner mara, and give, Commanders back their money 18 million I think, plus 5, I would take away also as punishment for giants mara proposing this and the other 27-28 teams that voted on this, take away 5-10 million from each club, and give that money to the concussion law suit, see if that will rectify matters for that issue as well, but not give any more money from the skins or cowboys.

Say, the guilty 27-28 teams that voted against the cowboys and skins, if they all have to forfit over 10 million apiece, that's 270 million at least to add to the conscussion settlement, at same time hurting the eagles & giants in our division. Granted, will really help the skins, but we get also 15 million to boot, which really would help us get some needed players this year, after restructuring ware, romo, carr, witten, lee, letting miles Austin go or take huge pay cut, that would free up about 25 to 25 million for us to cap spend. Then, we can go get some impact players this year, as free agents to put us over the hump, with our draft this year too.

 

[CashMan]

In an uncapped year, teams should not be penalized for cap violations. Pretty simple really. In that particular year, if some team wanted to pay a guy $50M, they should have been able to do so.

Jerry tried a pay Miles Austin a huge sum in that uncapped year, then low salaries after that because Jerry knew the cap would return. For that, he got penalized. That's collusion, IMO. But I'm not a lawyer.

Without order, chaos will ensues. I get it, but if you let teams like Jerry do that, you would have a mess.

 

[theogt]

I had thought the NFLPA had agreed to not litigate the Cowboys/Commanders collusion issue, as part of the final deal.

 

[Nova]

Not sure if they have much of a case.

It's not like the Owners came together and said "Hey, Jerry... you can't spend that much this year." What they DID do was warn franchises that dumping salaries and circumventing the future cap would possibly be corrected to comply with the vague constraints of competitive balance under the new CBA. An exaggerated example:

What you could do as a franchise:
*Sign X free Agent for a 1 year 40 million dollar deal.

What you couldn't do as a franchise:
*Sign X free Agent to a 6 year 42 million dollar deal, with 40 million of it in the uncapped year.


20 teams spent more than 120 million in the uncapped year-- which was the initial cap figure for 2011, the first year of the new CBA. 11 teams spent over 130 million.

From that, it's pretty evident teams were spending liberally that year

At least I believe I have that right.

 

[Direwolf63]

Without order, chaos will ensues. I get it, but if you let teams like Jerry do that, you would have a mess.

But the chaos would have only been the one uncapped year. The next year, the cap was back and everybody would have to be under it, just like before.

 

[conner01]

this is an appela of doty's ruling. the chances of them over turning the person who has been the judge for every nfl case in resent years is pretty slim i think. and even if they did then they would have to prove collusion and thats difficult. the biggest evidence is not what they did to us and the skins but the tv deals. what they did to us and the skins is really illrealvant to the case. the argument will be the tv deal being backloaded

 

[Gadfly22]

On the salary cap collusion issue, this is the question that I want Jerry to answer: why didn't you fight the cap penalty? If 2010 was an uncapped year in truth, how -- by any stretch of the imagination -- can a team be penalized for abusing the cap UNLESS there was collusion among the owners to have an unofficial cap that would hurt the players?

The only possible explanation I've heard is that Jerry wanted to play nice with the league in hopes of getting another Super Bowl at JerryWorld. But that means that Jerry was willing to sacrifice the good of the team for the hope of some future payoff that would NOT help the team. In short, if that possible explanation is true, Jerry put business interests ahead of football interests.

Now Snyder did the same with much less of a chance of getting a Super Bowl in his stadium (unless the Meadowland Super Bowl works out well in a couple weeks), so maybe that possible explanation is no explanation at all. But I still want to know why Jerry didn't fight a completely (in my opinion) unfair and unwarranted penalty.

 

[Verdict]

Agreed, but even if the courts rule it was collusion, the only beneficiaries of this would be the NFLPA and its clients. Not the Cowboys or Commanders.

Ironically, the Cowboys and Commanders could suffer a hammering from the league over violating rules that didn't exist AND then get penalized as a part of the collective group in the future. Conversely, it is also interesting that the Cowboys and Commanders might be able to separate themselves from the pack for "colluding" since they obviously didn't play along and follow the unwritten rules.

 

[Future]

Without order, chaos will ensues. I get it, but if you let teams like Jerry do that, you would have a mess.

Well then they should have never let it get to that point to begin with.

Jerruh and Danny got absolutely screwed for simply manipulating the system. They did nothing illegal. Other owners were all butt hurt by it and took action. That's all that move was

 

[Stash]

Agreed, but even if the courts rule it was collusion, the only beneficiaries of this would be the NFLPA and its clients. Not the Cowboys or Commanders.

Likely so, unfortunately.