2012 really hurt us

[Derinyar]

The Cowboys can keep who they want to. I suspect they will want to keep Crawford so I bet they will.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Crawford will be on a new team in 2016

I'd love to understand this lovefest for Crawford that goes on here. I love his potential to but the guy isn't a rookie and is in his contract year. I expect him to have a solid year but he also has to do it. As of now I see no reason why he wouldn't be a COwboy unless they don't want him.

 

[Galian Beast]

OP I understand your argument where we need to hit on every draft...

but In all honesty every team in the league has a draft like our 12 draft... No team is immune not he almighty pats, 49ers, seahawks.. etc..

Not to mention this year getting 3 young 1st round grade rookies into camp on rookie deals might just offset that draft... not to mention this draft maybe having some late round gems..

I think it will help offset that draft, but probably not this year, which kind of defeats the point.

If you look at Seattle, their success was in drafting dating back to 2008

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Drafting Caleb McSurdy over Vontaze Burfict still pisses me off. Garrett was ODing on "RKG"s in this draft.

Burfict was a undrafted free agent? They could've outright signed him if they wanted to or am I missing something?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think it will help offset that draft, but probably not this year, which kind of defeats the point.

If you look at Seattle, their success was in drafting dating back to 2008

Seattle hit on some late round picks is what helped them. Their drafts haven't been nearly as great as the media and sportwriters like to indicate. Especially lately. Yet, they still contend.

 

[Galian Beast]

Rob Ryan hurt us (he pushed for Mo and Carr that offseason). The Roy Williams trade also handcuffed us as well as Miles Austin's Hammys and Ratliff's mysteriously near-death injury that caused his release only to be reborn with the bears. Dead money, loss of picks, bad picks, baffling injuries and a couple of years of a Chip Kelly type DC really put a stunt in our growth. Claiborne and Austin's dead money are the only remnants left from that era. God save the Queen.

In defense of rob ryan, injuries really set back his defenses here. His first year here he got no help in the draft or free agency. You're going back a bit too far with the Williams trade and Mile's decline. Same with Ratliff. The thing that hurts the most about the last two though is the money we gave them.

 

[Zordon]

Burfict was a undrafted free agent? They could've outright signed him if they wanted to or am I missing something?

Yeah you're right but you're not guaranteed to get him as a UDFA.

My point is if you're going to target a MLB that late in the draft, how is it not Burfict? If he acts up, so what it was only a 7th round pick. Cowboys missed a chance to get back some serious talent there after giving up the 2nd round pick earlier.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

In defense of rob ryan, injuries really set back his defenses here. His first year here he got no help in the draft or free agency. You're going back a bit too far with the Williams trade and Mile's decline. Same with Ratliff. The thing that hurts the most about the last two though is the money we gave them.

If you are talking about what is screwing us right now, Today? I agree. I thought you were talking about in recency (which I go back the past 5 years and what lead to our mediocre seasons before 2014). Hopefully we never witness the constant "funk" like that again.

Sadly, we still owe another 5m to Austin this year. It's a hard pill to swallow.

 

[gimmesix]

Let's get the obvious out of the way.

Morris Claiborne obviously hasn't lived up to our draft investment, and 2012 wasn't a great draft for us.

I've already talked about how the ability to put together a winning team under this current cap rule basically gives you 4 year windows.

Well 2012 is an interesting window for us.

I think next year we will be hands down the best team in the nfl, but the question is, will 2012's draft class hold us down this year?

I'm not sure, but I think potentially we could see the best Claiborne we've ever seen. I think we will see a very dominant Tyrone Crawford. I think Wilber may start at strong side linebacker at least initially. I'm not sure what we will see from James Hanna going forward though. Especially with Swaim coming along. I think when you throw in Ron Leary and Cole Beasley, that 2012 group actually doesn't look that bad at all.

Claiborne and Crawford will make the difference. If two of the players from that class become quality starters this year, with two other contributors, out of seven picks, then it's a decent class. Claiborne makes the difference. If he continues to be a bust, then we didn't do well because we gave up two of our first three picks for him, where you should get at least a starter and contributor.

Not hitting at all on Johnson, Coale and McSurdy happens every draft, and is negated to a degree by Leary and Beasley succeeding.

 

[Galian Beast]

Seattle hit on some late round picks is what helped them. Their drafts haven't been nearly as great as the media and sportwriters like to indicate. Especially lately. Yet, they still contend.

They drafted two pro bowlers in 2012 and 5 starters, one of whom was all pro.

That 13 million in dead money certainly plays a factor this year. Next year has a lot of potential, especially if Carr finally takes a pay cut.

 

[Ken]

My point is the Cowboys should be the best team in the NFL right now, and the biggest thing holding us back from that was the 2012 draft class (in my opinion). If that draft class can reach a level higher however, that could change all that. I'd agree that it is an above average draft class, when you consider the undrafted players we picked up.

Ok, i can see that point. If we don't make the Mo deal and make our picks at 1 and two and have simlar success that we had in those rounds like in the last couple of years.

One thing i will say....if Mo can be this year what they thought he could be...we could be the best team in the NFL.

We still may even if he doesn't as well.

 

[KJJ]

I think next year we will be hands down the best team in the nfl, but the question is, will 2012's draft class hold us down this year?

The 2012 draft won't have any affect on the 2015 team that draft had no affect on last seasons team. Claiborne the Cowboys top pick from the 2012 draft was a liability and ended being lost for the season last year but it had no affect on the season. What may hold the Cowboys down this season is the loss of Murray and Scandrick who are huge losses that contributed greatly to the teams success last season. McClain who was a key contributor last season will be gone for a number of games if not the entire season. His future with the team is up in the air. It's going to be difficult for the Cowboys to be the team they were last season and have a chance to improve on it losing 3 key contributors from last years team including the teams MVP.

Although the Cowboys appear to have added some nice pieces in the draft and free agency Hardy will miss the first 4 games and once he returns it may take some time for him to return to form. Although Lee is back it's anyone's guess for how long with his injury history. Gregory is going to have a lot on his plate with Hardy's absence so there's bound to be some growing pains with him. Byron Jones who many feel would make a better safety than corner could struggle covering NFL WR's. With the losses the Cowboys have had it's up in the air what kind of team they'll be in 2015. With the players they've lost they can't afford any significant injuries at key positions if they're going to be close to the team they were last season.

 

[dallasdave]

The 2012 draft won't have any affect on the 2015 team that draft had no affect on last seasons team. Claiborne the Cowboys top pick from the 2012 draft was a liability and ended being lost for the season last year but it had no affect on the season. What may hold the Cowboys down this season is the loss of Murray and Scandrick who are huge losses that contributed greatly to the teams success last season. McClain who was a key contributor last season will be gone for a number of games if not the entire season. His future with the team is up in the air. It's going to be difficult for the Cowboys to be the team they were last season and have a chance to improve on it losing 3 key contributors from last years team including the teams MVP.

Although the Cowboys appear to have added some nice pieces in the draft and free agency Hardy will miss the first 4 games and once he returns it may take some time for him to return to form. Although Lee is back it's anyone's guess for how long with his injury history. Gregory is going to have a lot on his plate with Hardy's absence so there's bound to be some growing pains with him. Byron Jones who many feel would make a better safety than corner could struggle covering NFL WR's. With the losses the Cowboys have had it's up in the air what kind of team they'll be in 2015. With the players they've lost they can't afford any significant injuries at key positions if they're going to be close to the team they were last season.

YOu are right, the Cowboys can't afford any more injuries to their key players. A lot of luck goes into having a great season and we need to stay healthy.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Rob Ryan hurt us (he pushed for Mo and Carr that offseason). The Roy Williams trade also handcuffed us as well as Miles Austin's Hammys and Ratliff's mysteriously near-death injury that caused his release only to be reborn with the bears. Dead money, loss of picks, bad picks, baffling injuries and a couple of years of a Chip Kelly type DC really put a stunt in our growth. Claiborne and Austin's dead money are the only remnants left from that era. God save the Queen.

 

[Idgit]

I'd love to understand this lovefest for Crawford that goes on here. I love his potential to but the guy isn't a rookie and is in his contract year. I expect him to have a solid year but he also has to do it. As of now I see no reason why he wouldn't be a COwboy unless they don't want him.

He's the real deal, and in a perfect position for a big second contract. Young disruptive under tackles get paid in this league, and he's a guy who's shown steady improvement each year he's been in the league, meaning he still has upside.

If we don't extend him early this year, I think he's an unlikely re-signing, too.

 

[Galian Beast]

The 2012 draft won't have any affect on the 2015 team that draft had no affect on last seasons team. Claiborne the Cowboys top pick from the 2012 draft was a liability and ended being lost for the season last year but it had no affect on the season. What may hold the Cowboys down this season is the loss of Murray and Scandrick who are huge losses that contributed greatly to the teams success last season. McClain who was a key contributor last season will be gone for a number of games if not the entire season. His future with the team is up in the air. It's going to be difficult for the Cowboys to be the team they were last season and have a chance to improve on it losing 3 key contributors from last years team including the teams MVP.

Although the Cowboys appear to have added some nice pieces in the draft and free agency Hardy will miss the first 4 games and once he returns it may take some time for him to return to form. Although Lee is back it's anyone's guess for how long with his injury history. Gregory is going to have a lot on his plate with Hardy's absence so there's bound to be some growing pains with him. Byron Jones who many feel would make a better safety than corner could struggle covering NFL WR's. With the losses the Cowboys have had it's up in the air what kind of team they'll be in 2015. With the players they've lost they can't afford any significant injuries at key positions if they're going to be close to the team they were last season.

Someone doesn't understand opportunity cost.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah you're right but you're not guaranteed to get him as a UDFA.

My point is if you're going to target a MLB that late in the draft, how is it not Burfict? If he acts up, so what it was only a 7th round pick. Cowboys missed a chance to get back some serious talent there after giving up the 2nd round pick earlier.

Oh I see what you're saying. But I guess i'm saying is every other team passed him up atleast 7 times lol. He wasn't a sure thing. I get your point. But I can't knock them for having a higher grade on Mc than they did Vontaze. Bengals hit HUGE. But you can't get all the undrafted free agent finds.

 

[perrykemp]

They drafted two pro bowlers in 2012 and 5 starters, one of whom was all pro.

That 13 million in dead money certainly plays a factor this year. Next year has a lot of potential, especially if Carr finally takes a pay cut.

2 Pro-bowlers in 2012? Who?

Did you mean 2011?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He's the real deal, and in a perfect position for a big second contract. Young disruptive under tackles get paid in this league, and he's a guy who's shown steady improvement each year he's been in the league, meaning he still has upside.

If we don't extend him early this year, I think he's an unlikely re-signing, too.

He's the real deal? But how? He's had one solid season under his belt. He's been injured for most of it. All i'm saying is I need to see it before we should reward it.

 

[KJJ]

I think it will help offset that draft, but probably not this year, which kind of defeats the point.

If you look at Seattle, their success was in drafting dating back to 2008

The 2012 draft has already been offset with the Cowboys nailing their #1's in 2013 and 2014 leading to the best team they've have had in years in 2014. The concern now is how to offset the losses of Murray and Scandrick. Losing McClain is a setback because he made up for the loss of Lee last season. If Lee goes down again this season the Cowboys defense could have some real issues. As for Seattle it was the 2010, 2011 and 2012 draft that made them a championship caliber team. They came up with one of the top safeties in the league in Earl Thomas in 2010 and one of the top corners in the league Richard Sherman in 2011 in the 5th round. Their franchise QB Wilson was snagged in the 3rd round in 2012. They came up with several impact players in those drafts.