3-4 and 4-3 Why cant we use both depending on the team

[rockj7]

Is it possible to use the 3-4 on passing teams and the 4-3 on running teams

NEW YORK GIANTS 4-3
CAROLINA 4-3 No real QB
Denver Push
Kansas City 3-4
ATLANTA Push
SEATTLE 3-4 Julius Jones
Philadelphia 3-4
Green Bay 3-4
WASHINGTON
OAKLAND 4-3
New York Giants 4-3
SAN DIEGO 3-4
New Orleans 3-4 :bang2: This game maybe the toughest in IMO
WASHINGTON x2
Philadelphia 3-4

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Why would you use the 3-4 against passing teams? Wouldn't playing in the nickel or dime be more appropriate ?

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Is it possible to use the 3-4 on passing teams and the 4-3 on running teams

NEW YORK GIANTS 4-3
CAROLINA 4-3 No real QB
Denver Push
Kansas City 3-4
ATLANTA Push
SEATTLE 3-4 Julius Jones
Philadelphia 3-4
Green Bay 3-4
WASHINGTON
OAKLAND 4-3
New York Giants 4-3
SAN DIEGO 3-4
New Orleans 3-4 :bang2: This game maybe the toughest in IMO
WASHINGTON x2
Philadelphia 3-4

COMPLETLEY AGREE. As a matter of fact, with our smallish interior, it would seem pretty easy to get 4 yards on first down every time against Dallas.

I think we need to line up 2 300 pounders against running teams at DT. In fact I think Igor and Hatcher should line up inside and Spears and Ratliff should line up at ends. And play Ware, James and whomever else at LB.

 

[superpunk]

This thread fills me with dismay.

 

[rockj7]

COMPLETLEY AGREE. As a matter of fact, with our smallish interior, it would seem pretty easy to get 4 yards on first down every time against Dallas.

I think we need to line up 2 300 pounders against running teams at DT. In fact I think Igor and Hatcher should line up inside and Spears and Ratliff should line up at ends. And play Ware, James and whomever else at LB.

I was thinking the same I feel it is easy for us to transform to a 4-3 If we are honest about it our DE in a 3-4 would be DT in a 4-3

 

[rockj7]

Just asking a question bro not trying to fill you with dismay. After reading post on this forum I was just wondering if there was anyway to fix our run d.

 

[Ren]

we don't have the LBs for 4-3

 

[rockj7]

we don't have the LBs for 4-3

Just a question what are the qualifying factors for a LB in a 4-3

 

[superpunk]

Just asking a question bro not trying to fill you with dismay. After reading post on this forum I was just wondering if there was anyway to fix our run d.

The way is not to radically change our scheme from game to game. Think about it - do you really want our interior linemen thinking "OK, we're in a 3-4, what is my gap responsibility on this play" and then having to change it the next week because he's moved inside? Confusion resulting from 3-4 to 4-3 package substitutions. There are a whole list of reasons why it would be a bad idea.

Running a 4-3 isn't going to automatically or magically help you defend against the run. Our problem in week 1 wasn't scheme, it was execution from our defensive ends and ILBs. Switching to a 4-3 isn't going to magically make them execute the play and play honest in their gap responsibility. It isn't going to make our OLBs stay honest when they have contain responsibility instead of getting washed down and allowing a 20 yard gain on a cutback.

 

[Ren]

Just a question what are the qualifying factors for a LB in a 4-3

You really need a faster MLB that can play sideline to sideline we don't have that and also better coverage OLBs Ware and Spencer are closer to 4-3 DEs then 4-3 OLBs

 

[NorthTexan95]

We do run a four man front in our nickle and we do use the 46 at times. However, running a true 34 and a true 43 would be difficult to go back and forth.

On of the big problems against Tampa was that our players were filling the wrong gaps on blitzes. Now imagine switching to a 43 and having to relearn the gaps to hit. That's just one example of the differences between the two.

If you ran both 50% of the time you wouldn't get the full benefit of either. You need to run one other the other most of the time and then you can use the other occasionally in specific situation.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'm still trying to figure the appeal of the 4-3. It can allow for smaller LB's, but that's a good thing if you're struggling with pass coverage from the LB's and runs outside on the perimeter. That really wasn't a problem against the Bucs. Plus, Dallas uses plenty of formations...3-4, 4-2-5, 3-3-5, 3-2-6, 4-1-6, etc. When we were in the 4-3 under Zimmer, it was 4-3 or 4-2-5 and that's it.

Dallas' defense needs to work on executing more consistently. If they can get that down, then they'll be dangerous and tough to play.




YAKUZA

 

[rockj7]

You guys answered my question regarding switching from 3-4 to 4-3

Thank You

 

[KingintheNorth]

One of the main advantages of the 3-4 is the disguising of pass-rushers. In a 4-3 the two ends generally rush/contain and occassionally the LB blitz.

the 3-4 can look like a 4-3 on any given play. The difference is Ware and Spencer are standing up (which some 4-3 DE's do anyway).

To me, the only player who would benefit from us switching to a 4-3 would be Bobbie Carpenter, who's an ideal weakside OLB in the 4-3.

3-4 Front Seven
LDE Marcus Spears
NT Jay Ratliff
RDE Igor Olshansky
LOLB Anthony Spencer
LILB Bradie James
RILB Keith Brooking
ROLB DeMarcus Ware

4-3 Front Seven
LDE Igor Olshansky on run downs / Anthony Spencer on passing downs
LDT Marcus Spears
RDT Jay Ratliff
RDE DeMarcus Ware
LOLB Keith Brooking
MLB Bradie James
ROLB Bobbie Carpenter or Jason Williams

 

[YosemiteSam]

One word. Personal.

 

[YosemiteSam]

One of the main advantages of the 3-4 is the disguising of pass-rushers. In a 4-3 the two ends generally rush/contain and occassionally the LB blitz.

the 3-4 can look like a 4-3 on any given play. The difference is Ware and Spencer are standing up (which some 4-3 DE's do anyway).

To me, the only player who would benefit from us switching to a 4-3 would be Bobbie Carpenter, who's an ideal weakside OLB in the 4-3.

3-4 Front Seven
LDE Marcus Spears
NT Jay Ratliff
RDE Igor Olshansky
LOLB Anthony Spencer
LILB Bradie James
RILB Keith Brooking
ROLB DeMarcus Ware

4-3 Front Seven
LDE Igor Olshansky on run downs / Anthony Spencer on passing downs
LDT Marcus Spears
RDT Jay Ratliff
RDE DeMarcus Ware
LOLB Keith Brooking
MLB Bradie James
ROLB Bobbie Carpenter or Jason Williams

Okshansky can't play DE in a 4-3, he isn't fast enough. We would be ripped wide open on toss plays and screen passes.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

One word. Personal.

I don't take anything personally.

 

[adbutcher]

This thread is Football Remedial instead of Football 101.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I don't take anything personally.

Whoops! Personnel :laugh2:

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

One of the main advantages of the 3-4 is the disguising of pass-rushers. In a 4-3 the two ends generally rush/contain and occassionally the LB blitz.

the 3-4 can look like a 4-3 on any given play. The difference is Ware and Spencer are standing up (which some 4-3 DE's do anyway).

To me, the only player who would benefit from us switching to a 4-3 would be Bobbie Carpenter, who's an ideal weakside OLB in the 4-3.

3-4 Front Seven
LDE Marcus Spears
NT Jay Ratliff
RDE Igor Olshansky
LOLB Anthony Spencer
LILB Bradie James
RILB Keith Brooking
ROLB DeMarcus Ware

4-3 Front Seven
LDE Igor Olshansky on run downs / Anthony Spencer on passing downs
LDT Marcus Spears
RDT Jay Ratliff
RDE DeMarcus Ware
LOLB Keith Brooking
MLB Bradie James
ROLB Bobbie Carpenter or Jason Williams

If I were running a 4-3 in Dallas....Ratliff would move to DE and Igor would move to DT