32 questions about the cowboys by Nate Ravitz

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32 Questions: Dallas Cowboys



By Nate Ravitz
ESPN.com





Thirty-two teams, 32 burning fantasy questions. Thoughout the preseason, we put one of these questions to an ESPN.com analyst for an in-depth look at the most interesting, perplexing or dumbfounding fantasy facet of each NFL team.
Marion Barber III or Julius Jones: Who da man?
Barber or Jones? Jones or Barber? Double J or Marion the Third? With the possible exception of Tony Romo and Carrie Underwood, no Dallas couple generates as much discussion as the Cowboys' two young running backs. With Bill Parcells basking in retirement (again), the slate should be wiped clean, and both players will be looking to stake their claim as the featured running back in new coordinator Jason Garrett's offense.
In offseason workouts thus far, Jones has worked with the first team ... when he's been around. Although he's attended minicamps, Jones elected to skip organized team activities in favor of working out on his own. That clearly can't endear him to new coach Wade Phillips, and it's particularly odd given that Jones is entering the final year of his rookie contract.
As you surely know, Barber exploded as a fantasy player last season, scoring 16 total touchdowns, including 14 on the ground. He scored in 11 of 16 games despite averaging only 8.5 carries per game. Jones wasn't a total slouch, as he posted his first 1,000-yard season, but he scored only four touchdowns and had just one 100-yard performance in the final 11 games of the regular season.
In fantasy terms, Barber kicked Jones' rear end all over the school yard last season. But who is the better player? Let's turn to the stat sheet to find out.
Last season, Jones averaged 4.1 yards per carry, while Barber's YPC was 4.8. That's a glaring difference, and not just for the obvious reasons. Barber actually had a handicap in this category because he received more carries in short-yardage situations. In fact, if you remove just the touchdowns from three yards out and in, Barber's YPC swells to 5.1, and Jones' ... well, he didn't score any short-yardage touchdowns.
One of the main reasons why Jones trails Barber in yards-per-carry is his propensity for getting stuffed behind the line of scrimmage. According to STATS Inc., Barber was stuffed just six times in 135 carries, and his .044 stuff percentage was the second-best mark in the NFL. In stark contrast, Jones was stuffed 26 times in 267 carries, producing a .097 rate that was among the very worst in the game.
Jones also averaged only 4.0 yards per carry on first-and-10 situations -- again, one of the very worst marks in the league. And for all of the talk about his big-play ability, Jones, in those 267 carries, had just five runs of 20 yards or more, one more than Barber (135 carries), Wali Lundy (124) and Vernand Morency (91).
The line being spun by Jones -- and his supporters -- is that Parcells forced him to "run like a robot," and didn't allow him to use his running instincts. Whether it would be a good or bad thing if Jones started "running with his instincts" is open for debate, but this sure sounds like sour grapes. Remember, it was Parcells who made the decision to pass on Steven Jackson and draft (many would say overdraft) Jones in the second round in 2004.
The bottom line here is that Barber is a better, more complete running back than Jones. On an even playing field, which you'd expect under a new head coach, the cream should rise to the top. Even if it doesn't, Barber should still get the bulk of the goal-line carries. Another 16-touchdown season is unlikely, but double-digit scores is a reasonable expectation, and if he ends up getting the lion's share of the work, he could easily be a top-10 performer in fantasy. As for Jones, it's really difficult to imagine him doing better than 1,200 yards and eight touchdowns even in a best-case scenario.
Hmm ... I can almost sense the ESPN Conversation:
"OK Ravitz, we get it. Barber is the better player, and the one with higher ceiling, and the one with less risk, and the one who helps old ladies across the street. So why, in the name of Tony Dorsett did you draft Jones in the ESPN Fantasy Football magazine mock?"
I'm glad you asked. In our preseason running back rankings, Barber came in at No. 21, and Jones was ranked 33. In our mock draft, Barber went in Round 3, 29th overall and 20th among running backs. I took Jones in Round 7, with the 78th overall pick, after 34 other running backs came off the board. To win a fantasy football league, you have to be lucky and good, and you can't afford to pass up value.
Barber should be very good this season, but you're going to have to pay full price to get him. Based on our league, taking Barber probably means passing up on someone like Carson Palmer, Antonio Gates or Donald Driver. Taking Jones means passing up Braylon Edwards, Chris Cooley or Baltimore's defense. Without question, Barber is the better player, but it's possible that Jones might be the better value on draft day.
 

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Yep, that article still has factual errors, just like the last time it was posted here.
 

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I know manyy feels that BP made a mistake when he didn't take S. Jackson but we don't know how Jackson would do in Cowboys offensive scheme. It seems like Jackson is perfect for Rams offensive scheme and he did have great numbers last year but that doesn't mean he would have same or similar numbers with the Cowboys.
 

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I really enjoy watching MB-III run that ball....but, he just does not have the break away speed you would like.
 

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CrazyCowboy;1543348 said:
I really enjoy watching MB-III run that ball....but, he just does not have the break away speed you would like.

He is still run in the 4.4 area which is fast enough, ES was a 4.5 guy but that never stopped him from breaking the long ones.
 

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Nate Ravitz needs to check his facts. Julius’ stuff percentage of .097 was nowhere close to being one of the “worst in the league.” Out of the 47 running backs who had at least 100 carries last season, Julius’ stuff percentage ranked 26th-lowest, so he was just a little worse than average.

Among the 21 backs with a higher stuff percentage were Ladell Betts (0.98), Tiki Barber (.1009), Clinton Portis (.1024), Laurence Maroney (.1086), Shaun Alexander (.1230), Willis McGahee (.1236), Reggie Bush (.1419), Kevin Jones (.1436) and DeAngelo Williams (.1653).

Larry Johnson’s was only slightly better (.096).”
 
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Doomsday101;1543389 said:
He is still run in the 4.4 area which is fast enough, ES was a 4.5 guy but that never stopped him from breaking the long ones.

The difference is Marion Barber runs out of gas after 20 yards.... The great Emmitt Smith ran with endurance.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1543759 said:
The difference is Marion Barber runs out of gas after 20 yards.... The great Emmitt Smith ran with endurance.

He runs out of gas? Sorry I don't buy that and your not running 4.4 if after 20yards your out of gas. Is he Emmitt Smith of course not can he break long runs I have no doubt what so ever. You get past the LB core and it is pretty much smooth sailing for a back with even decent speed.
 

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Still the fact is his career longest run in 2 years is 26 yds.
 

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burmafrd;1543795 said:
Still the fact is his career longest run in 2 years is 26 yds.

with less than half the carries. Jones manages to have a run over 20 yards every 53 carries that is not game breaking numbers
 

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BUT he has made more then a dozen runs LONGER then the LONGEST run MB3 has ever had.
 

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burmafrd;1543907 said:
BUT he has made more then a dozen runs LONGER then the LONGEST run MB3 has ever had.


But he does not do it nearly enough, he is getting over twice as many carries yet he has 1 run more over 20 yards? no matter how you cut it that is poor. When you get right down to it I would just like to see Barber have the opportunity to compete for the starting role or at least a bigger role because he produces on a more consistent basis’s than I have seen out of Jones. I do hope Jones turns it around but this is year 4 and he still is trying to prove himself? Forgive me for being a bit skeptical at this stage.
 

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burmafrd;1543907 said:
BUT he has made more then a dozen runs LONGER then the LONGEST run MB3 has ever had.

Julius has 13 20+ yard carries in his entire career. Are you suggesting that every one of them was longer than 28 yards?
 

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My wrong. I thought MB3's longest run was 23 yds. So JJ probably only has 6-8 runs longer.
 

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burmafrd;1543998 said:
Prove me wrong.

Maybe you should think about proving your own point sometime, or at least making sure the facts back you up before putting your opinion out there.

Just a thought.

burmafrd;1544001 said:
My wrong. I thought MB3's longest run was 23 yds. So JJ probably only has 6-8 runs longer.

Yes, you were wrong. A quick look at Julius' stats game log's shows that pretty clearly.
 

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One thing to remember: the game stats ONLY show the longest run. If you have a 30 yd run, it will not show a 21 yd run you also had. So super, do some research of your own.
 

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burmafrd;1544063 said:
One thing to remember: the game stats ONLY show the longest run. If you have a 30 yd run, it will not show a 21 yd run you also had. So super, do some research of your own.

Now you're just being dense.

I did my research. I found no less than 6 runs of 20-28 yards just by looking at the game logs, and a few play by play charts from last year. (read: there are likely more)

I don't just spout off without seeing if I can back things up. Then, I don't follow that up with "YOU prove MY point wrong." That would just be ridiculous, if someone was actually attempting to do such a thing.
 
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