4 Drafts in a row, 1st pick considered top player at their position.

[Solution]

I never post, and don't really have a point to this thread. I just find it interesting that the last 4 first round picks we've had all have been considered the best prospect at their position by most people.

2010 (24) - Dez (2nd WR taken, but considered most talented by many)
2011 (9) - Tyron Smith (first OT taken)
2012 (6) - Mo (first CB taken)
2013 (31) - Freddy (First OC taken)

I'm not trying to suggest anything, I just found it mildly interesting and think the way we've drafted recently is intriguing. Any thoughts?

 

[xtreme_2k]

I never post, and don't really have a point to this thread. I just find it interesting that the last 4 first round picks we've had all have been considered the best prospect at their position by most people.

2010 (24) - Dez (2nd WR taken, but considered most talented by many)
2011 (9) - Tyron Smith (first OT taken)
2012 (6) - Mo (first CB taken)
2013 (31) - Freddy (First OC taken)

I'm not trying to suggest anything, I just found it mildly interesting and think the way we've drafted recently is intriguing. Any thoughts?

It seems to me that picking the best Center in the draft was a no brainer, all the armchair coaches in this forum would have you believe that we could have still had him by the time we get to our 15th pick in the second round. No disputing the O-line was the glaring weakness that needed to be addressed this year. Not the exotic pick as far as position goes, but look at the past 3 years how we mightily struggled with the center position, all we did is most likely solidify the postion for the next 10 years barring any injuries. The man was considered the lineman with the highest football IQ in terms of directing the line and recognizing defenses. If he turns out to be a Mangold type of player for us, this whining from others are all moot.

 

[Solution]

I'm not even sure if the intention is for him to play center or guard honestly.

 

[xtreme_2k]

If he were to play Guard it would be to acclimate him to the speed of the league and by next year transition him to Center. Its how we broke in Tyron Smith from Right to Left tackle.

 

[T-RO]

Getting what a few people regarded as the best center is some great accomplishment? Excuse me, I just threw up in my mouth.

It was a very thin center class. None of the centers graded out as first grade picks. And he's one of the most unathletic centers to be drafted in years. He won't be able to help at all in screens or downfield blocks. Not at all.

And to make matters worse...he likely could have been drafted in the second or even third round had we waited.

Bob Sturm said it best when the radio group was trying to spin it positively: It's putting lipstick on a pig. I'm glad he's intelligent. Hopefully he can anchor. But that's not first round value at all.

How is it that guys with virtually no posting history are suddenly showing up to defend Jerry's stupidity. Hmmmm....

 

[T-RO]

I'm not even sure if the intention is for him to play center or guard honestly.

A guy with 5.6 speed can't pull.

 

[xtreme_2k]

Getting what a few people regarded as the best center is some great accomplishment? Excuse me, I just threw up in my mouth.

It was a very thin center class. None of the centers graded out as first grade picks. And he's one of the most unathletic centers to be drafted in years. He won't be able to help at all in screens or downfield blocks. Not at all.

And to make matters worse...he likely could have been drafted in the second or even third round had we waited.

Bob Sturm said it best when the radio group was trying to spin it positively: It's putting lipstick on a pig. I'm glad he's intelligent. Hopefully he can anchor. But that's not first round value at all.

How is it that guys with virtually no posting history are suddenly showing up to defend Jerry's stupidity. Hmmmm....

Did not realize that how many postings on this forum is the barometer for anything. If you are so unhappy about the pick and Jerry then go find another team to root for. I heard the Bills can use some fans! Been a fan since 1976, through the 1-15 year with Troy Aikman. My opinion counts as much as the next, which is nothing but certainly can post it as much as you can. And to defend a pick in not a prereq to defending Jerry, as much as defending the player.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

If he were to play Guard it would be to acclimate him to the speed of the league and by next year transition him to Center. Its how we broke in Tyron Smith from Right to Left tackle.

Tyron never played LT, so the footwork was new and we had what we believed was a solid player in Free at the position. Frederick played center all last year and will all this year.

 

[Solution]

T-RO is obviously just throwing a fit. It's to bad he doesn't realize it's people like him who cause a lot of us to avoid posting.

 

[TheKey]

A guy with 5.6 speed can't pull.

You don't understand the difference between speed and quickness, which makes me doubt that you have ever played the game

 

[BAT]

A guy with 5.6 speed can't pull.

You could not be more wrong. If you have watched this kid play at all you would know that he pulled a lot in Wisconsin and he did it well. Don't let 40 times confuse you with football speed. Frederick will be fast enough. He is a masher in the running game and has enough power and base strength to anchor the pivot in pass pro.

 

[xtreme_2k]

A guy with 5.6 speed can't pull.

BTW having 3600 + posts doesn't necessarily equate to intelligent posting as well. Just means you are more opinionated than most. Have a nice day.

 

[Wolf2k5]

It's over dramatic responses to things like this why many of us don't post much. Lol

 

[Blackspider214]

So by this logic, we could have taken a kicker or punter and gotten the best of that position, right?

Look, the player himself is not the big issue. Even though the player is just not that impressive. It's what you did to get him. Traded down from 18 when everyone was screaming to take Floyd. Then you got took to the bank by a team with an abundance of draft picks and all you can muster out of it is a measly 3rd rounder.

Then you reach big time on a player most had graded as a 3rd round talent. Center was very weak in this draft. Just because he's the best does not mean a thing.

And just because center was a need and we drafted one in the 1st round does not magically mean that position is fixed. Don't look surprised when he turns out about as good as Costa has been.

This was a horrible draft day.

 

[xtreme_2k]

Travis response concerning his speed: "It was speculated Frederick lost the weight to help his 40-yard dash time, but he said: “I really wanted to lose some of the extra chub, some of the extra fat I had on and lean up a little bit. I lost that weight and I’ve put it back on very slowly and concisely to put it back on in a better way.”
The lighter weight didn’t help with the 40, as Frederick was timed in 5.56 seconds. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel recently referred to it as a “remarkably bad” time and reported Frederick will be the slowest center drafted in the NFL in 20 years.

That 40 time has stuck to Frederick like gum on his shoe, but he believes it represents just a tiny part of his total resume.

“For someone to dog me about that, how bad my 40 was and say that’s going to hurt me in a huge manner, hasn’t seen the way I play,” he said.

“The way I play really speaks for itself. That’s one of the things NFL scouts have talked to me about, ‘The importance of the film and how you handle things on the film, and the speed you play at and the tenacity you play with,’ all of the other factors that go into it. The 40 is really just a very, very, very small slice of what they look at when they’re going to pick you.”



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[31hammer]

Getting what a few people regarded as the best center is some great accomplishment? Excuse me, I just threw up in my mouth.

It was a very thin center class. None of the centers graded out as first grade picks. And he's one of the most unathletic centers to be drafted in years. He won't be able to help at all in screens or downfield blocks. Not at all.

And to make matters worse...he likely could have been drafted in the second or even third round had we waited.

Bob Sturm said it best when the radio group was trying to spin it positively: It's putting lipstick on a pig. I'm glad he's intelligent. Hopefully he can anchor. But that's not first round value at all.

How is it that guys with virtually no posting history are suddenly showing up to defend Jerry's stupidity. Hmmmm....

Not Guaranteed he would be there with next pick. You complain he cant move forward, but I haven't seen him get pushed back either. He swallows up defenders. 1st rd 2nd rd. Who cares. The only difference is in Jerry's pocket. 5 yrs from now Half the people drafted in 1st rd will be put of the league

 

[Deep_South]

Between all of the requisite talk about competition, it's clear he's going to play center, IMO.

 

[T-RO]

You don't understand the difference between speed and quickness, which makes me doubt that you have ever played the game

Describe to me how a guy with 5.6 speed in the 40 is going to do any blocking in the second level? And I read where one scout said his feet were just awful. So he's neither fast NOR quick.

He's cerebral and strong and nasty. He's big with junk in his trunk. Nice technique. So those are the good things.

He's got the profile of a late second...or third...or fourth round selection.

 

[EPL0c0]

You don't understand the difference between speed and quickness, which makes me doubt that you have ever played the game

I remember him from ONE play last year vs UTEP

Montee Ball's first career fumble

 

[bayeslife]

Describe to me how a guy with 5.6 speed in the 40 is going to do any blocking in the second level? And I read where one scout said his feet were just awful. So he's neither fast NOR quick.

He's cerebral and strong and nasty. He's big with junk in his trunk. Nice technique. So those are the good things.

He's got the profile of a late second...or third...or fourth round selection.

Get over it. This draft has watered down talent past the first 10 picks, lol. Do you think the Giants are happy about Pugh or Chicago about Long? And those were even longer reaches than what we did.