4 Drafts in a row, 1st pick considered top player at their position.

[Idgit]

Did not realize that how many postings on this forum is the barometer for anything. If you are so unhappy about the pick and Jerry then go find another team to root for. I heard the Bills can use some fans! Been a fan since 1976, through the 1-15 year with Troy Aikman. My opinion counts as much as the next, which is nothing but certainly can post it as much as you can. And to defend a pick in not a prereq to defending Jerry, as much as defending the player.

It's not. There are a lot of posters with exceedingly high post counts who haven' managed to say much of anything in all that time yet. It's quality over quantity that matters.

 

[Idgit]

T-RO is obviously just throwing a fit. It's to bad he doesn't realize it's people like him who cause a lot of us to avoid posting.

Brother, if you don't like it, you gotta represent in order to change it.

The Sad Clowns can't hurt you (not saying you're a Sad Clown, T-RO, just making the point). They can only take some of the fun about of football season, and even then only if you let them.

 

[RastaRocket]

A guy with 5.6 speed can't pull.

Do you happen to have the time on his 5 yard dash?

He's a fat man, and probably got winded 20 yards in and slowed down for all we know. It doesn't really matter though, because he will never be 40 yards upfield running straight ahead.

 

[Little Jr]

Getting what a few people regarded as the best center is some great accomplishment? Excuse me, I just threw up in my mouth.

It was a very thin center class. None of the centers graded out as first grade picks. And he's one of the most unathletic centers to be drafted in years. He won't be able to help at all in screens or downfield blocks. Not at all.

And to make matters worse...he likely could have been drafted in the second or even third round had we waited.

Bob Sturm said it best when the radio group was trying to spin it positively: It's putting lipstick on a pig. I'm glad he's intelligent. Hopefully he can anchor. But that's not first round value at all.

How is it that guys with virtually no posting history are suddenly showing up to defend Jerry's stupidity. Hmmmm....

about 12 players in the 1st round wernt graded as 1st round picks. as far as screens go. we don't run them so who cares

 

[Little Jr]

Describe to me how a guy with 5.6 speed in the 40 is going to do any blocking in the second level? And I read where one scout said his feet were just awful. So he's neither fast NOR quick.

He's cerebral and strong and nasty. He's big with junk in his trunk. Nice technique. So those are the good things.

He's got the profile of a late second...or third...or fourth round selection.

the 2nd level isn't 40yds down the field

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I remember him from ONE play last year vs UTEP

Montee Ball's first career fumble

Watch the second replay. The right side of the line caved. Ball was submarined before he ran into Frederick.

 

[NickZepp]

40 time for olinemen is useless. If you have linemen running 40 yards it means you are turning it over and allowing a lot of big plays on turnovers most of the time.

 

[Beast_from_East]

You guys with your panties in a bunch over him not being able to get out on screens are forgetting one very important fact..........


WE DONT RUN FREAKING SCREENS IN DALLAS!!!!!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Our red zone and third down offense just got a lot better.

 

[IrishAnto]

So by this logic, we could have taken a kicker or punter and gotten the best of that position, right?

Look, the player himself is not the big issue. Even though the player is just not that impressive. It's what you did to get him. Traded down from 18 when everyone was screaming to take Floyd. Then you got took to the bank by a team with an abundance of draft picks and all you can muster out of it is a measly 3rd rounder.

Then you reach big time on a player most had graded as a 3rd round talent. Center was very weak in this draft. Just because he's the best does not mean a thing.

And just because center was a need and we drafted one in the 1st round does not magically mean that position is fixed. Don't look surprised when he turns out about as good as Costa has been.

This was a horrible draft day.

Knowing how highly the NFL values the DL, ask yourself the question why did Floyd last till pick 23 if he was that good?

In fact why did none of the DT’s go in the top 10?

 

[Sarge]

I'm not even sure if the intention is for him to play center or guard honestly.

I think the intention is to play him where they need him the most, be it G or C and that was/is the intrigue behind him. He is versatile and has that going for him.

I can see him at G as well. Time will tell but it's kinda nice to have that option.

 

[Bware_Dware]

the 2nd level isn't 40yds down the field

That is the perfect response to this non-sense talk. The dude can play plain and simple. Montee Ball didn't do what he did with a Halo and Wings. The big boys made it easy and this guy is LEGIT

People cry to help Romo with Oline. We draft Oline and because its not cooper or Warmack we got a bust? Plllleeeaaassseee

 

[brickman]

Travis response concerning his speed: "It was speculated Frederick lost the weight to help his 40-yard dash time, but he said: “I really wanted to lose some of the extra chub, some of the extra fat I had on and lean up a little bit. I lost that weight and I’ve put it back on very slowly and concisely to put it back on in a better way.”
The lighter weight didn’t help with the 40, as Frederick was timed in 5.56 seconds. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel recently referred to it as a “remarkably bad” time and reported Frederick will be the slowest center drafted in the NFL in 20 years.

That 40 time has stuck to Frederick like gum on his shoe, but he believes it represents just a tiny part of his total resume.

“For someone to dog me about that, how bad my 40 was and say that’s going to hurt me in a huge manner, hasn’t seen the way I play,” he said.

“The way I play really speaks for itself. That’s one of the things NFL scouts have talked to me about, ‘The importance of the film and how you handle things on the film, and the speed you play at and the tenacity you play with,’ all of the other factors that go into it. The 40 is really just a very, very, very small slice of what they look at when they’re going to pick you.”



Exactly. We are drafting a football player, not a track & field guy.

 

[Eddie]

People cry to help Romo with Oline. We draft Oline and because its not cooper or Warmack we got a bust? Plllleeeaaassseee

Not a bust ... but not a 1st round player either.

Oh, that's right ... I fuggets. The #31 pick is just like a 2nd rounder anyway.

 

[Ren]

Maybe next year we can get the best punter available.

Just because someone is the best at their position in a given year doesn't mean they're automatically 1st round picks

 

[Ren]

You guys with your panties in a bunch over him not being able to get out on screens are forgetting one very important fact..........


WE DONT RUN FREAKING SCREENS IN DALLAS!!!!!

and picks like this make it painfully obvious why we'll never be able to

 

[Oh_Canada]

I wonder how much of the disdain for this pick is REALLY about the player and how much is the perception of how little Dallas got to move back??

 

[IrishAnto]

I wonder how much of the disdain for this pick is REALLY about the player and how much is the perception of how little Dallas got to move back??

Probably more of the latter.

Last year we got the better of the deal when we traded up.

This year it’s the reverse.

That’s the way life goes sometimes.

 

[Miller]

That is the perfect response to this non-sense talk. The dude can play plain and simple. Montee Ball didn't do what he did with a Halo and Wings. The big boys made it easy and this guy is LEGIT

People cry to help Romo with Oline. We draft Oline and because its not cooper or Warmack we got a bust? Plllleeeaaassseee

Really? If the bolded was a given then he wouldn't have had a 3rd and some 4th round grades on him. Almost every scouting report I've read said he needed work.

The point of the draft is to get value at the position you are in. They have worst teams picking 1st so they can improve. If the #1 pick was a guy projected in the 3rd round and it covered need would that be cool with you? The Cowboys have been .500 for 2 years. So they pick middle of the pack. You don't trade down...a bad trade for only getting a 3rd...and then get a guy who most had in the 3rd, some in the 2nd and some as far down in the 4th. You could get the same "need" later and still get better talent at where you were at 18.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Really? If the bolded was a given then he wouldn't have had a 3rd and some 4th round grades on him. Almost every scouting report I've read said he needed work.

The point of the draft is to get value at the position you are in. They have worst teams picking 1st so they can improve. If the #1 pick was a guy projected in the 3rd round and it covered need would that be cool with you? The Cowboys have been .500 for 2 years. So they pick middle of the pack. You don't trade down...a bad trade for only getting a 3rd...and then get a guy who most had in the 3rd, some in the 2nd and some as far down in the 4th. You could get the same "need" later and still get better talent at where you were at 18.

Oh for crying out loud. The VAST majority of people had a second round grade on him. Do some homework.