5-2-4 defensie scheme - what do you think?

[starfrombirth]

I'm talking a true 5-2. Not using lb's to play line. Below is my image:


_______ Canty___Hatcher___Tank___Spears___Ratliff

___________Ellis________________________DWare

#1 Draft_________________________________________TNew


__________Henry_______________________Hamilin

What do you think? Stupid or mad genius. I wouldn't advocate this d for every down. But I think it presents a strong run defense as well as a devastating pass rush if we needed. We could still have Fergie and Bowen to back up the linemen plus Roy w and reeves and ball and draft picks etc to back up the secondary. I think it's a great idea.

 

[TheCount]

I'm talking a true 5-2. Not using lb's to play line. Below is my image:


_______ Canty___Hatcher___Tank___Spears___Ratliff

___________Ellis________________________DWare

#1 Draft_________________________________________TNew


__________Henry_______________________Hamilin

What do you think? Stupid or mad genius. I wouldn't advocate this d for every down. But I think it presents a strong run defense as well as a devastating pass rush if we needed. We could still have Fergie and Bowen to back up the linemen plus Roy w and reeves and ball and draft picks etc to back up the secondary. I think it's a great idea.

I don't think run defense was the problem, and we got more sacks this year than we have in a while. Coverage was the issue, and you're reducing the number of people in coverage.

I think linebacker is actually the strongest part of our defense, so I don't like the idea of reducing the numbers there. You're also taking a lot of speed off the field, so maybe it's doable in a for sure run situation, but outside of that, I don't think it'd work.

 

[starfrombirth]

The best pass defense is a pass rush. Could you imagine the pressure on the QB from those 7? He would have to dump it quick and even our secondary can cover for 2 seconds.

 

[joseephuss]

I'm talking a true 5-2. Not using lb's to play line. Below is my image:


_______ Canty___Hatcher___Tank___Spears___Ratliff

___________Ellis________________________DWare

#1 Draft_________________________________________TNew


__________Henry_______________________Hamilin

What do you think? Stupid or mad genius. I wouldn't advocate this d for every down. But I think it presents a strong run defense as well as a devastating pass rush if we needed. We could still have Fergie and Bowen to back up the linemen plus Roy w and reeves and ball and draft picks etc to back up the secondary. I think it's a great idea.

I would flip-flop Hatcher and Canty. Hatcher is probably better in space at the end position. I would also take Ellis out of there. You would want a LB that can run because they may need to cover a lot of ground. Ellis may even be better at playing one of the end positions because that is essentially what he has been doing his whole career whether as a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB.

 

[TheCount]

The best pass defense is a pass rush. Could you imagine the pressure on the QB from those 7? He would have to dump it quick and even our secondary can cover for 2 seconds.

Well the 5-2 isn't made up or anything, it has been done. Since we're playing fantasy defensive coordinator I'd say you're better off showing a 4-3 and then having Ware, Ellis or Spencer move at the last minute to line up on the edge with their hand down. That way you still have 3 LB's incase an audible is called.

Cause in a 5-2, you're basically playing man in coverage at that point, and I love Ware and Ellis, but I don't know if either can play iso, not to mention any corner or safety on our roster other than Newman.

 

[Dalmations202]

Isn't that called a 70 defense, and isn't it designed for the run. You beat it with a 3 receiver set, fly the strong side (2 receivers), post the weak side receiver, and then put your (fullback, Hback, or TE) down the seam, and your TB in the flat.

They don't have the people to cover it, and players end up wide-open or at least one on one.

It is a defense good for the run, but yet fairly easily beat by dinking just over it. It gets run in jr. high and high schools all over the state.

 

[starfrombirth]

Well the 5-2 isn't made up or anything, it has been done. Since we're playing fantasy defensive coordinator I'd say you're better off showing a 4-3 and then having Ware, Ellis or Spencer move at the last minute to line up on the edge with their hand down. That way you still have 3 LB's incase an audible is called.

Cause in a 5-2, you're basically playing man in coverage at that point, and I love Ware and Ellis, but I don't know if either can play iso, not to mention any corner or safety on our roster other than Newman.

The reason I picked these lineman are because they are bigger and fast as well. We are not trying to put a 260 lb linebacker on a 320 lb olineman. Flip flop Canty and Hatcher, put Spencer in place of Ellis and there isn't a oline in the NFL that could protect for very long. And like I said earlier, even as bad as our secondary is, even they can cover for 2 seconds. But hey! It is fun playing fantasy dCoordinator.

 

[Hostile]

Isn't that called a 70 defense, and isn't it designed for the run. You beat it with a 3 receiver set, fly the strong side (2 receivers), post the weak side receiver, and then put your (fullback, Hback, or TE) down the seam, and your TB in the flat.

They don't have the people to cover it, and players end up wide-open or at least one on one.

It is a defense good for the run, but yet fairly easily beat by dinking just over it. It gets run in jr. high and high schools all over the state.

Yes sir.

 

[Eddie]

I use that in Madden all the time. Works like a charm ... especially when you rush all 7 players.

 

[TheCount]

The reason I picked these lineman are because they are bigger and fast as well. We are not trying to put a 260 lb linebacker on a 320 lb olineman. Flip flop Canty and Hatcher, put Spencer in place of Ellis and there isn't a oline in the NFL that could protect for very long. And like I said earlier, even as bad as our secondary is, even they can cover for 2 seconds. But hey! It is fun playing fantasy dCoordinator.

Well the problem is that even in a 5-2-4, not all 5 DL are rushing the QB. They are still making reads, if you've got those 5 coming, as well, it means the LB's are basically NEVER rushing, So why even have Ware and Ellis out there.

You'd probably rather see Ware (since he's a stud) and maybe Carp or Burnett.

I use that in Madden all the time. Works like a charm ... especially when you rush all 7 players.

You must be playing against scrubs Actually in this years Madden there are so many glitches it's comical, there's a 3 on the line defense you can call, and if lined up correctly, you get pressure in the backfield on every single play. So you can blitz 3 and force the guy to throw into 8 people in coverage, losers online do it all the time.

 

[JPM]

The draft can't come fast enough.

 

[starfrombirth]

Well the problem is that even in a 5-2-4, not all 5 DL are rushing the QB. They are still making reads, if you've got those 5 coming, as well, it means the LB's are basically NEVER rushing, So why even have Ware and Ellis out there.

You'd probably rather see Ware (since he's a stud) and maybe Carp or Burnett.



You must be playing against scrubs Actually in this years Madden there are so many glitches it's comical, there's a 3 on the line defense you can call, and if lined up correctly, you get pressure in the backfield on every single play. So you can blitz 3 and force the guy to throw into 8 people in coverage, losers online do it all the time.

Ware and Spencer because they are good in space as well. As for the 3 receiver fly pattern with the hback or full back, here is my response to that: The receivers would be covered by TNew, Henry, and #1Draft with Hamlin playing double on the best receiver. The Hback would be covered by DWare of Spencer and It would be up to the other one to beat the fullback left in to block. If the dunk receiver didn't get open instantly, it would be all over. Obviously, you have to have the right personnel, but I think we do. Did I forget anything or leave anyone uncovered?

 

[big dog cowboy]

I use that in Madden all the time. Works like a charm ... especially when you rush all 7 players.

:madden:

 

[jterrell]

That defense would get torched.

The trend is exactly the opposite.

Go with 2 down linemen and 5 second level guys then blitz 3 or 4 of the second level guys.

You just took a goal line defense and tried to apply it overall.

Oh and if you played me in Madden with that defense I would giggle then score on 1 play drives.

 

[sonnyboy]

Nice situational Defense. Something different to throw out there. Could be used against a team that relies heavy on the run game. Some team that lacks a quality 3rd WR and seldom uses one in thier base offense.

Watched some of the 1990 SB replay Wed. Giants ran a lot of one WR formations with three TE's. This could work well against that.

I'd flip Hatcher and Canty for sure and replace Ellis with Roy.

Couple things you need to realize.
One is that this does buck the trend of fewer DL and or LB's on the field to deal with increased passing and multi-WR sets.
The second thing is that the 3-4, especially with our large OLB's, really puts you in postion to run a 5-2 on the fly.

 

[Eddie]

You must be playing against scrubs Actually in this years Madden there are so many glitches it's comical, there's a 3 on the line defense you can call, and if lined up correctly, you get pressure in the backfield on every single play. So you can blitz 3 and force the guy to throw into 8 people in coverage, losers online do it all the time.

Unfortunately, you are correct, but without any competition, EA Sports does nothing but give Madden a new cover, a roster update, and moving clouds.

 

[Mavs Man]

I'm in favor of the unbeatable 4-4-4.

 

[theebs]

I use that in Madden all the time. Works like a charm ... especially when you rush all 7 players.

UH-OH.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

Isn't that called a 70 defense, and isn't it designed for the run. You beat it with a 3 receiver set, fly the strong side (2 receivers), post the weak side receiver, and then put your (fullback, Hback, or TE) down the seam, and your TB in the flat.

They don't have the people to cover it, and players end up wide-open or at least one on one.

It is a defense good for the run, but yet fairly easily beat by dinking just over it. It gets run in jr. high and high schools all over the state.

My son's little league squad plays the 5-2 defense (mainly because passing is rare at his level) and while it's good against the run, without LBs that can cover WELL it's easy to exploit! I'd only use this in short yardage situations at the NFL level.

 

[fortdick]

The high school I coach at runs the 5-2. It is a 3-4. The DE's are even called Sam and Will and stand up. I keep asking the DC what the difference is and he tells me there is none. So why don;t we call it a 3-4 I ask. Terminology he says.

We almost always have an automatic blitz from the weak side, and Sam and Will have flats in cover 2. In man coverage they play containment.

Bottom line is, it is a 3-4 by another name.