5 Things I'd Like To See Improve As the Season Goes On

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Many find a silver lining in the fact we are missing some players to injury. That is fine, but remember this, the Patriots were missing Richard Seymour and Lawrence Maroney as well. Great teams overcome injuries. To this point in the season we have been a great team because we have done that.

Newsflash, we are still a great team. We just got beat by a better team. There is no shame in that. We have room to improve. No doubt about it. Here are some things I'd like to see going forward from here.

1. No more Tyson Thompson as the primary Kick Returner.
Yes, he had one good return last night that almost put us back in the game. He also pinned us inside the 20 yard line against a great defense on every single other kickoff that he received. The guy uses bad judgment constantly. After he gets the ball he jogs leisurely out to meet the coverage where he hopes he can make the first guy miss and then accelerate. This would be a great plan if it had ever worked in NFL history. The best Kick Returners hit high gear immediately and then worry about making a guy miss. Not sure Thompson can make anyone miss anyway, he simply has no wiggle.

2. On 3rd down this defense needs to come harder not try to cover closer. Just my opinion mind you, but if you give an NFL QB more than 4 seconds to throw a football they are generally going to kill you. You give that kind of time to a Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, or Tom Brady and they will kill you in a most heinous manner. We have got to send the dogs in waves. I expected to see a more aggressive pass rush, and while I do see improvement over previous years, I still don't see near enough aggression. How long has it been since we batted a pass down? I swear, Too Tall Jones seemed to bat at least one down per game. "Yeah Hos, but he was 6'9" tall." Last time I check Hatcher and Canty weren't exactly short. new England has a great OL, not a good one, a great one. But we still could have pressured Brady more than we did.

3. We have got to either wrap up on tackles, hang on until someone else can come bail the tackler out, or start hitting guys so hard that they play timid. I personally would prefer if we'd simply tackle better. Guys bite on the first move every time. What the hell is up with that? I don't care if it means playing closer. I don't care if it means be more physical. But for the love of all that is holy bring the guy with the ball down. They teach you this in Junior High. Watch his torso, not his head and drive to the torso. Now, wrap up and drag down. I also could do without ever again seeing us throw a ball carrier forward. yeah the tackle still gets made but you're giving them yardage. Always push backwards. Wrap up and push backwards.

4. Can we play Marion Barber at Safety too, or at the very least start him at RB? Julius Jones is running great, but this team has scored 6 points in the 1st quarter for the season. That simply is not acceptable. You're telling me that an offense with this kind of firepower cannot script plays to score in the 1st quarter? You want to offer me some swamp land for sale too? I'm not buying it. The obvious answer to me is to inject some attitude into the offense and right now, no one on the Dallas Cowboys plays with more attitude than Marion the Barberian. Let's use him to light the fires under this offense. Either that or like I said, play him at CB or Safety and let him knock the crap out of someone. Give me 53 guys who play as hard as this guy does and forget who the opponent is, we won't lose. Julius Jones is playing well. Marion Barber is inspiring and igniting the offense. Why not inject his enthusiasm into the picture immediately? This team starts to score once he is part of the game plan. Do the math.

5. No more being Conservative by the coaches. Every time this season that we have gone for it, we have had positive results. When we were down by 14 yesterday and went for 3 on the Patriots 5 yard line it simply let all the wind out of our sails. The team folded after that. Wade Phillips might as well have waved a white flag. What he told the team at that point was that he didn't think we could punch the Patriots in the mouth, but we could still manufacture 2 more scoring drives in the final 10 minutes against this team that we couldn't punch in the mouth. I guarantee you the Patriots were relieved when we lined up for that Field Goal attempt. It gave them new life. They saw the defeat in our eyes and they mashed the pedal down. Tony Romo talked the coaches into going for it last week and it paid off huge. Listen to the Gunslinger and let's go for it. Even if we don't make it, pinning the patriots 95 yards from the endzone has to be better than kicking off to them and letting them start at the 30.
 

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Hostile;1710869 said:
Many find a silver lining in the fact we are missing some players to injury. That is fine, but remember this, the Patriots were missing Richard Seymour and Lawrence Maroney as well. Great teams overcome injuries. To this point in the season we have been a great team because we have done that.

Newsflash, we are still a great team. We just got beat by a better team. There is no shame in that. We have room to improve. No doubt about it. Here are some things I'd like to see going forward from here.

1. No more Tyson Thompson as the primary Kick Returner.
Yes, he had one good return last night that almost put us back in the game. He also pinned us inside the 20 yard line against a great defense on every single other kickoff that he received. The guy uses bad judgment constantly. After he gets the ball he jogs leisurely out to meet the coverage where he hopes he can make the first guy miss and then accelerate. This would be a great plan if it had ever worked in NFL history. The best Kick Returners hit high gear immediately and then worry about making a guy miss. Not sure Thompson can make anyone miss anyway, he simply has no wiggle.

2. On 3rd down this defense needs to come harder not try to cover closer. Just my opinion mind you, but if you give an NFL QB more than 4 seconds to throw a football they are generally going to kill you. You give that kind of time to a Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, or Tom Brady and they will kill you in a most heinous manner. We have got to send the dogs in waves. I expected to see a more aggressive pass rush, and while I do see improvement over previous years, I still don't see near enough aggression. How long has it been since we batted a pass down? I swear, Too Tall Jones seemed to bat at least one down per game. "Yeah Hos, but he was 6'9" tall." Last time I check Hatcher and Canty weren't exactly short. new England has a great OL, not a good one, a great one. But we still could have pressured Brady more than we did.

3. We have got to either wrap up on tackles, hang on until someone else can come bail the tackler out, or start hitting guys so hard that they play timid. I personally would prefer if we'd simply tackle better. Guys bite on the first move every time. What the hell is up with that? I don't care if it means playing closer. I don't care if it means be more physical. But for the love of all that is holy bring the guy with the ball down. They teach you this in Junior High. Watch his torso, not his head and drive to the torso. Now, wrap up and drag down. I also could do without ever again seeing us throw a ball carrier forward. yeah the tackle still gets made but you're giving them yardage. Always push backwards. Wrap up and push backwards.

4. Can we play Marion Barber at Safety too, or at the very least start him at RB? Julius Jones is running great, but this team has scored 6 points in the 1st quarter for the season. That simply is not acceptable. You're telling me that an offense with this kind of firepower cannot script plays to score in the 1st quarter? You want to offer me some swamp land for sale too? I'm not buying it. The obvious answer to me is to inject some attitude into the offense and right now, no one on the Dallas Cowboys plays with more attitude than Marion the Barberian. Let's use him to light the fires under this offense. Either that or like I said, play him at CB or Safety and let him knock the crap out of someone. Give me 53 guys who play as hard as this guy does and forget who the opponent is, we won't lose. Julius Jones is playing well. Marion Barber is inspiring and igniting the offense. Why not inject his enthusiasm into the picture immediately? This team starts to score once he is part of the game plan. Do the math.

5. No more being Conservative by the coaches. Every time this season that we have gone for it, we have had positive results. When we were down by 14 yesterday and went for 3 on the Patriots 5 yard line it simply let all the wind out of our sails. The team folded after that. Wade Phillips might as well have waved a white flag. What he told the team at that point was that he didn't think we could punch the Patriots in the mouth, but we could still manufacture 2 more scoring drives in the final 10 minutes against this team that we couldn't punch in the mouth. I guarantee you the Patriots were relieved when we lined up for that Field Goal attempt. It gave them new life. They saw the defeat in our eyes and they mashed the pedal down. Tony Romo talked the coaches into going for it last week and it paid off huge. Listen to the Gunslinger and let's go for it. Even if we don't make it, pinning the patriots 95 yards from the endzone has to be better than kicking off to them and letting them start at the 30.


Well Phillips did go for it on 4th and 1 at mid field so I would not say he was being conservative. Phillips said after the game in hindsite he would have gone for the goal to goal situation but instead he took the 3 and was hoping the defense would get the ball back. I think he misjudged how tired the defense was that late in the game. I think the tiredness showed in the 4th as the pass rush became non-exsistent which lead to many big plays late in the game.
 

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Perfect post.every point is correct.can u get this to wade and Jerry?
 

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Doomsday101;1710886 said:
Well Phillips did go for it on 4th and 1 at mid field so I would not say he was being conservative. Phillips said after the game in hindsite he would have gone for the goal to goal situation but instead he took the 3 and was hoping the defense would get the ball back. I think he misjudged how tired the defense was that late in the game. I think the tiredness showed in the 4th as the pass rush became non-exsistent which lead to many big plays late in the game.
He also went for it when the play was called back by holding on Kosier. We had the personnel to accomplish what was needed by going for it. Taking the chippy FG was as good as surrendering. We might as well have been France at that point.

Hindsight is 20/20 vision. I want some brass in the play calling.
 

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Hostile;1710904 said:
He also went for it when the play was called back by holding on Kosier. We had the personnel to accomplish what was needed by going for it. Taking the chippy FG was as good as surrendering. We might as well have been France at that point.

I admit I would have gone for it but I don't think Wade was wrong just because you or I would have gone for it. There was 10 min in the game and he expected to get the ball back. As I said in post game Phillips said if had he hindsight he would have gone for it. For the most part I don't have an issue with Wade Phillips and think he has done a very good job. We are 5-1 and frankly I did not expect us to go 16-0 on the season so I take this as 1 loss nothing more than that and still see us as the best in the NFC with room for improvement.
 

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Doomsday101;1710924 said:
I admit I would have gone for it but I don't think Wade was wrong just because you or I would have gone for it. There was 10 min in the game and he expected to get the ball back. As I said in post game Phillips said if had he hindsight he would have gone for it. For the most part I don't have an issue with Wade Phillips and think he has done a very good job. We are 5-1 and frankly I did not expect us to go 16-0 on the season so I take this as 1 loss nothing more than that and still see us as the best in the NFC with room for improvement.
I have never said we were going to go 16-0 Dooms. I'm saying he took the wind out of the team's sails by doing that. Where if we had gone for it, it would have taken it out of the Patriots sails possibly. I knew the game was over at that instant. So too did the two teams on the field.

France.
 

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Hostile;1710933 said:
I have never said we were going to go 16-0 Dooms. I'm saying he took the wind out of the team's sails by doing that. Where if we had gone for it, it would have taken it out of the Patriots sails possibly. I knew the game was over at that instant. So too did the two teams on the field.

France.

You know how the team feels or you know how you felt? Come on you are better than that. 10 min in the game that play did not determine the outcome
 

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Doomsday101;1710951 said:
You know how the team feels or you know how you felt? Come on you are better than that. 10 min in the game that play did not determine the outcome

10 min is not enough time to come back in a two possession game when your defense looks JV. We would have had to score, which we struggled with, and stop them, which we struggled with...twice. We would have been better off not scoring and pinning them at their 5.
 

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Future 585;1710968 said:
10 min is not enough time to come back in a two possession game when your defense looks JV. We would have had to score, which we struggled with, and stop them, which we struggled with...twice. We would have been better off not scoring and pinning them at their 5.

As I said I would have gone for it but I also understand why Wade took the 3 points.
 

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Doomsday101;1710975 said:
but I also understand why Wade took the 3 points.

Against any other team maybe ..... but not against the Pats the way their offense was playing.
 

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zrinkill;1710981 said:
Against any other team maybe ..... but not against the Pats the way their offense was playing.

Basically what I was trying to say.
 

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zrinkill;1710981 said:
Against any other team maybe ..... but not against the Pats the way their offense was playing.

Phillips showed some faith in his defense and was wrong. I think the guys were tired, hell they had been on the field most of the day and it showed in the 4th but Phillips felt they could do the job. You want to fault Wade fine we lost and he is fair game but I don't consider the job by Phillips thus far this season as being conservative. In hindsight Phillips said he would have but he went with his gut feeling and came up craps.
 

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Doomsday101;1710989 said:
Phillips showed some faith in his defense and was wrong. I think the guys were tired, hell they had been on the field most of the day and it showed in the 4th but Phillips felt they could do the job. You want to fault Wade fine we lost and he is fair game but I don't consider the job by Phillips thus far this season as being conservative. In hindsight Phillips said he would have but he went with his gut feeling and came up craps.

I have never said Phillips was conservative ....... he has done a great job all year long.

I was commenting on that one decision ...... I would not trade Wade for anyone at this time ..... (cept maybe Jimmy back :))

But I agree with Hos that the field goal kick took the surge out of the Boys.
 

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It was Wade's call and he made the decision to take the FG. What I can't understand is why he thought the defense could get the job done. How often in the last half did our defense get the job done and why didn't Wade realize how exhausted our defense was. Yes, he's the HC but he's also de factor DC.
 

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I'd just be happy for the running game to improve overall. If that means starting Barber, fine, but we need to show a little better commitment to running the ball. This isn't Philadelphia.

Bruce Cowert said it perfectly at the half - there needs to be more running.
 

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What really got me was the call on 3rd down. That pass to Hurd stood zero chance of being complete IMHO. I knew then we were going for it on 4th and was shocked when we kicked it.
 

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good points hostile.

The thing I dont get is how can bruce read have screwed up a special teams unit that was so good, so fast.

We noticed yesterday that there are wr and safeties on the front line. WIth parcells we had kenyon coleman and another lineman.

The special teams have to improve, Bruce read is doing a poor job.

Other than that I cant complain about yesterday, we just ran into a better team.
 

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Hostile;1710869 said:
Many find a silver lining in the fact we are missing some players to injury. That is fine, but remember this, the Patriots were missing Richard Seymour and Lawrence Maroney as well. Great teams overcome injuries. To this point in the season we have been a great team because we have done that.

Newsflash, we are still a great team. We just got beat by a better team. There is no shame in that. We have room to improve. No doubt about it. Here are some things I'd like to see going forward from here.

1. No more Tyson Thompson as the primary Kick Returner.
Yes, he had one good return last night that almost put us back in the game. He also pinned us inside the 20 yard line against a great defense on every single other kickoff that he received. The guy uses bad judgment constantly. After he gets the ball he jogs leisurely out to meet the coverage where he hopes he can make the first guy miss and then accelerate. This would be a great plan if it had ever worked in NFL history. The best Kick Returners hit high gear immediately and then worry about making a guy miss. Not sure Thompson can make anyone miss anyway, he simply has no wiggle.

Agree 100% and I think we touched on this in the game thread.

At one point I said he would be better off just letting it stay in the endzone because at least we would get it at the 20.

I will add one small anal correction however. He made two plays beyond the 20. The long on and one that went to the 21-22. Hey...I said it was anal.:laugh2:

Think of this now. For years we have been disappointed with certain draft picks or players. Think of these names. Dantzler, Zuriel, Skylar and now Stanback and probably a name or two I forgot. They all were brought in to try and help the return game. Bill realized the importance of field position. Before anyone says we should give stanback a chance...I say I remember reading or hearing Wade say that they felt that he would not be playing in the return game a month or so after we drafted him with that in mind. So I take it he does not feel that he will play that role.

Point is we have been trying to get someone to fill the position. We have invested money and picks for the position but so far it appears we have struck out in each attempt.

Sadly we did not get a chance to see how our punt return game would have went...because we failed to make the Pats punt enough. I honestly only remember one punt but maybe there were more.

So this has been a problem area for us, an area we have worked to try and get better at but so far it has not panned out how we would want it.

It took years for us to get our next QB, TE, Pass Rusher..who knows how long it will take to get an electric returner.



2. On 3rd down this defense needs to come harder not try to cover closer. Just my opinion mind you, but if you give an NFL QB more than 4 seconds to throw a football they are generally going to kill you. You give that kind of time to a Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, or Tom Brady and they will kill you in a most heinous manner. We have got to send the dogs in waves. I expected to see a more aggressive pass rush, and while I do see improvement over previous years, I still don't see near enough aggression. How long has it been since we batted a pass down? I swear, Too Tall Jones seemed to bat at least one down per game. "Yeah Hos, but he was 6'9" tall." Last time I check Hatcher and Canty weren't exactly short. new England has a great OL, not a good one, a great one. But we still could have pressured Brady more than we did.

I agree. We were doing so well on 1st and 2nd down only to let them off the hook on 3rd down. Oddly enough against a team whose one weakness, if any, seemed to be 3rd down completion percentage before yesterdays game.



3. We have got to either wrap up on tackles, hang on until someone else can come bail the tackler out, or start hitting guys so hard that they play timid. I personally would prefer if we'd simply tackle better. Guys bite on the first move every time. What the hell is up with that? I don't care if it means playing closer. I don't care if it means be more physical. But for the love of all that is holy bring the guy with the ball down. They teach you this in Junior High. Watch his torso, not his head and drive to the torso. Now, wrap up and drag down. I also could do without ever again seeing us throw a ball carrier forward. yeah the tackle still gets made but you're giving them yardage. Always push backwards. Wrap up and push backwards.

Agreed again. Wrap up those tackles. It is nice to go for a big "WOO" hit but it is all for not if you do not put the defender on the ground.

Fundamentals Fundamentals Fundamentals. Every team has miss tackles in every game but ours seem to be a little more than what we should have at this point.

Quit worrying about style points and make the sure tackle.

I am not talking about cases where a player gets by a defender and all the defender can get is a foot or something.

I am talking about having a defender with the player in his arms and not wrapping up.


4. Can we play Marion Barber at Safety too, or at the very least start him at RB? Julius Jones is running great, but this team has scored 6 points in the 1st quarter for the season. That simply is not acceptable. You're telling me that an offense with this kind of firepower cannot script plays to score in the 1st quarter? You want to offer me some swamp land for sale too? I'm not buying it. The obvious answer to me is to inject some attitude into the offense and right now, no one on the Dallas Cowboys plays with more attitude than Marion the Barberian. Let's use him to light the fires under this offense. Either that or like I said, play him at CB or Safety and let him knock the crap out of someone. Give me 53 guys who play as hard as this guy does and forget who the opponent is, we won't lose. Julius Jones is playing well. Marion Barber is inspiring and igniting the offense. Why not inject his enthusiasm into the picture immediately? This team starts to score once he is part of the game plan. Do the math.

I mentioned this in another post that I think it would interesting to see marion starting out games and letting Julius see what he can do once an opposing defense is tired in the second half or 4th quarter.

We have heard time and time again that Julius is the starter because he has the speed to take it the distance where Marion does not.

If that is the case would that speed not be better served going against a defense once it is worn down and has lost a step?

Not only does Barber make the better tough yards runner due to his style but just as importantly he gives a major spark to this team IMO. In some ways he sets a tone for the rest of the team to follow.



5. No more being Conservative by the coaches. Every time this season that we have gone for it, we have had positive results. When we were down by 14 yesterday and went for 3 on the Patriots 5 yard line it simply let all the wind out of our sails. The team folded after that. Wade Phillips might as well have waved a white flag. What he told the team at that point was that he didn't think we could punch the Patriots in the mouth, but we could still manufacture 2 more scoring drives in the final 10 minutes against this team that we couldn't punch in the mouth. I guarantee you the Patriots were relieved when we lined up for that Field Goal attempt. It gave them new life. They saw the defeat in our eyes and they mashed the pedal down. Tony Romo talked the coaches into going for it last week and it paid off huge. Listen to the Gunslinger and let's go for it. Even if we don't make it, pinning the patriots 95 yards from the endzone has to be better than kicking off to them and letting them start at the 30.

It was a mistake to go with the FG. However I don't think I can fault him over all. This offensive has been very aggressive this season in 4th down situations.

I would actually be curious to see how many times we went for it on 4th down the last two season and compare that to how many times we have went for it on 4th down this season.

Maybe it is just perception but I would be willing to guess that we are on a pace to double or possibly triple the number of times.

So it was a brain fart in that situation. It sent the wrong message, but I can not fault him for conservatism over all.

It was just one instance of a brain fart.

If anything I would say we could be a tad more conservative with or offense at times to run the clock down. AKA use the running game a little more.

Last season I think we used it too much, this season I think we don't use it enough.

We need to find a decent balance between the two.

Now I realize that is not the intent of your portion of the post. Just rambling on.

All and all an excellent post with you and as you can tell I pretty much agree with everything with just a few caveats of difference.
 

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4. Can we play Marion Barber at Safety too, or at the very least start him at RB? Julius Jones is running great, but this team has scored 6 points in the 1st quarter for the season. That simply is not acceptable. You're telling me that an offense with this kind of firepower cannot script plays to score in the 1st quarter? You want to offer me some swamp land for sale too? I'm not buying it. The obvious answer to me is to inject some attitude into the offense and right now, no one on the Dallas Cowboys plays with more attitude than Marion the Barberian. Let's use him to light the fires under this offense. Either that or like I said, play him at CB or Safety and let him knock the crap out of someone. Give me 53 guys who play as hard as this guy does and forget who the opponent is, we won't lose. Julius Jones is playing well. Marion Barber is inspiring and igniting the offense. Why not inject his enthusiasm into the picture immediately? This team starts to score once he is part of the game plan. Do the math.

I would move this to #1 hos......Barber needs to start....your dead on!
 
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