A Different Kind of Mock

NeonDeion21

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The same names have been thrown around a lot at #18 and after awhile it gets sort of tiresome. So here is a draft that has a few surprising names, but that doesn't mean they are bad football players.

First of all, there is a slight trade down in my mock. Alec Ogletree is available at #18 and Minnesota and Chicago would like to jump ahead of the Giants to select him. We decide to trade with Minnesota and in this scenario we #23 and #83 (175 pts) from Minnesota (760 pts)for #18( 900 pts) and #185 (17.4 pts)

#23 - Datone Jones - DE/DT UCLA

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This is a guy I fell in love with at the Senior Bowl. He is 6'4, 283 and he carries that without an ounce of fat on him. He can win on the outside, but I think he is at his best when he can come in and rush inside on third downs. Extremely hard worker and high motor. He was the only pass-rusher at the senior bowl who gave Eric Fisher any kind of trouble. Fisher even whiffed aganist him a few times because of his quickness. Jones has explosive hands and to me, he reminds me of a young Justin Tuck.

Another trade: This time Dallas targets a guy they love. They send #47 and #83 (605 pts) to Cincinnati for #37, #118, #197 (600 pts.)

#37 - DeAndre Hopkins - WR Clemson

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Everyone knows how much I like Hopkins. He falls to the 2nd round because of a run on QB's late in the first via trade ups and a slow 40 time. Dallas obviously believes there is a need at WR, hence bringing in Hopkins and Terrence Williams for private workouts. Hopkins is an outside WR who wins by running precise routes and his consistent hands. I believe he is a perfect compliment to Dez Bryant and Dwayne Harris. A real steal at #37.

#80 - Marcus Lattimore - RB South Carolina

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This is another future pick. Murray is in year three of a four year deal and who knows what the future holds for him. Lattimore is a typical Jason Garrett kind of player because of his high character and team-first attitude. Lattimore might be ready for Week 1, but I would also expect Dallas to be patient with him and bring in another RB via FA. Explosive, tough runner who can do it all.

One Final Trade: Dallas Trades #114 and #118 (124 pts) to Baltimore for #94 (124 pts.)

#94 - Barrett Jones - OC/OG Alabama

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A highly intelligent, hard worker who can play multiple positions for Dallas. He falls to us this late because of injury and I believe can start day one at center.

#151 - JJ Wilcox - S Georgia Southern

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Physical safety who can really hit. He falls to the 5th round because of the depth at safety. I really like the safety rotation of Church, Allen, Johnson and Wilcox. Can help right away on ST.

#197 - Michael Williams - TE Alabama

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He is a solid blocker who can contribute on STs. Instantly our 3rd TE and at this point in the draft, you are just looking for guys who can make the team and can contribute.
 

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Barrett Jones will most likely be out til week 6 this year, Lattimore most likely won't play at all this year and who knows if he'll ever be the same, and JJ Wilcox isn't at all ready to play S in the NFL as he only has 1 year of experience playing defense at a small school.

That's waaayyyy too much uncertainty from 1 draft for me. Replace Wilcox and Lattimore with guys that are more ready to play this year and I'd like it a lot more.
 

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tm1119;5042482 said:
Barrett Jones will most likely be out til week 6 this year, Lattimore most likely won't play at all this year and who knows if he'll ever be the same, and JJ Wilcox isn't at all ready to play S in the NFL as he only has 1 year of experience playing defense at a small school.

That's waaayyyy too much uncertainty from 1 draft for me. Replace Wilcox and Lattimore with guys that are more ready to play this year and I'd like it a lot more.

How often do your 3rd and 4th round guys start anyways? The draft is about building your team for the future, not just for week one. We got nothing out of Bruce Carter the first few weeks and that turned out alright.
 

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This mock was more about me confessing my love for Datone Jones (and DeAndre Hopkins). Jones I don't believe has been in for workout with Dallas, but whoever gets Jones is getting a heckuva player. Youtube him against Eric Fisher and Justin Pugh and you will be impressed.
 

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NeonDeion21;5042485 said:
How often do your 3rd and 4th round guys start anyways? The draft is about building your team for the future, not just for week one. We got nothing out of Bruce Carter the first few weeks and that turned out alright.

3rd round guys start fairly often, and you need your 4th rounders to at least contribute as rotation players. And Bruce was 1 guy we had to wait on, you have 3 guys in the same draft. Big difference.

But I'm right there with you on Jones and Hopkins. Like both a lot. Jones is pretty much the perfect SDE, big and strong but can still get after the QB.
 

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If we could somehow land Hopkins in the 2nd in this scenario, I would be thrilled. Austin is on notice, because Hopkins takes the #2 WR by season opener. Austin would be in the slot but with Harris breathing down his neck.

Lattimore could be the steal of the draft once he gets healthy.

Jones, I am a fan just like the kid from Cali better.

Wilcox would create camp battle and may the best man win.

Only thing I think is we have to get on the phone and call a couple of free agents quickly for OL help. I really do not want to go with the same group of guys to start the season. JMO
 

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tm1119;5042507 said:
3rd round guys start fairly often, and you need your 4th rounders to at least contribute as rotation players. And Bruce was 1 guy we had to wait on, you have 3 guys in the same draft. Big difference.

But I'm right there with you on Jones and Hopkins. Like both a lot. Jones is pretty much the perfect SDE, big and strong but can still get after the QB.

We are in total agreement on Jones. Jones and Lattimore I believe can help you in 2013, its just whether its in week one or week 6. Lattimore I am more willing to wait on because you would still have Murray and another FA to hold you off until he was 100%. Jones you might have to wait.
 

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tm1119;5042482 said:
Barrett Jones will most likely be out til week 6 this year, Lattimore most likely won't play at all this year and who knows if he'll ever be the same, and JJ Wilcox isn't at all ready to play S in the NFL as he only has 1 year of experience playing defense at a small school.

That's waaayyyy too much uncertainty from 1 draft for me. Replace Wilcox and Lattimore with guys that are more ready to play this year and I'd like it a lot more.

NeonDeion21;5042485 said:
How often do your 3rd and 4th round guys start anyways? The draft is about building your team for the future, not just for week one. We got nothing out of Bruce Carter the first few weeks and that turned out alright.

There is a good chance that neither B. Jones or Lattimore contribute to a team this year. Combine that with the fact that your 1st and 2nd picks are most likely to be backups in 2013 and IMO, you have a failed draft.

At least M. Williams can come right in and be the blocking TE.
 

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Tejano15;5042508 said:
If we could somehow land Hopkins in the 2nd in this scenario, I would be thrilled. Austin is on notice, because Hopkins takes the #2 WR by season opener. Austin would be in the slot but with Harris breathing down his neck.

Lattimore could be the steal of the draft once he gets healthy.

Jones, I am a fan just like the kid from Cali better.

Wilcox would create camp battle and may the best man win.

Only thing I think is we have to get on the phone and call a couple of free agents quickly for OL help. I really do not want to go with the same group of guys to start the season. JMO

In my scenario, Eric Winston would definitely be someone I would target after the draft because I failed to address ROT. But if we could come out of the draft with:

A starting DE/DT
#2 WR
Future starting RB (a possible star)
Starting OC
Possible starting safety
3rd TE
ROT (Eric Winston via FA)

I would be thrilled.
 

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NeonDeion21;5042492 said:
This mock was more about me confessing my love for Datone Jones (and DeAndre Hopkins). Jones I don't believe has been in for workout with Dallas, but whoever gets Jones is getting a heckuva player. Youtube him against Eric Fisher and Justin Pugh and you will be impressed.

I'm a fan of Datone Jones, but Cornelius Washington looked like Reggie White against Justin Pugh in the Senior Bowl.
 

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xwalker;5042512 said:
There is a good chance that neither B. Jones or Lattimore contribute to a team this year. Combine that with the fact that your 1st and 2nd picks are most likely to be backups in 2013 and IMO, you have a failed draft.

At least M. Williams can come right in and be the blocking TE.

Like I said before, you are building a team for the future. Not just for 2013. I think Jones could be a dominant inside rusher and I believe Nuk would win the #2 job in camp.
 

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xwalker;5042514 said:
I'm a fan of Datone Jones, but Cornelius Washington looked like Reggie White against Justin Pugh in the Senior Bowl.

True. But Jones performed well against everyone. He gave Fisher fits and some believe (including myself) that Fisher might be the best player in the draft. He is someone to me that will be productive wherever you put him. Imagine on 3rd downs having DeMarcus Ware, Datone Jones, Jay Ratliff and Anthony Spencer rush the passer. That sounds ridiculous to me.
 

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NeonDeion21;5042516 said:
True. But Jones performed well against everyone. He gave Fisher fits and some believe (including myself) that Fisher might be the best player in the draft. He is someone to me that will be productive wherever you put him. Imagine on 3rd downs having DeMarcus Ware, Datone Jones, Jay Ratliff and Anthony Spencer rush the passer. That sounds ridiculous to me.

I think the fire is too hot for too many projects in this years draft. Jason has one year to prove himself as a cowboys coach doubt he advocates for future players when his job is on the line. B Jones is my pet cat and I have a hard time finding a round to draft him. Love the WR he is a genuine stud not sure how we can squeeze him into the team, take heed we have several WR that did not make the field last year(injuries) than might turn your head.
 

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Macnalty;5042518 said:
I think the fire is too hot for too many projects in this years draft. Jason has one year to prove himself as a cowboys coach doubt he advocates for future players when his job is on the line. B Jones is my pet cat and I have a hard time finding a round to draft him. Love the WR he is a genuine stud not sure how we can squeeze him into the team, take heed we have several WR that did not make the field last year(injuries) than might turn your head.

I disagree with this. I think Jerry Jones want Jason Garrett here for the long haul. Your draft shouldn't be determined by how much you need to win in 2013. It should be determined by drafting the best players on the board regardless if they can help you in week 1 or in week 7.
 

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NeonDeion21;5042515 said:
Like I said before, you are building a team for the future. Not just for 2013. I think Jones could be a dominant inside rusher and I believe Nuk would win the #2 job in camp.
I somewhat understand your reasoning.

I would at least swap out B. Jones for some 3rd to 4th round OL that have a change to contribute in 2013 and have similar upsides (Brian Schwenke,
Khaled Holmes, Alvin Bailey). Also, I would wait to see if Lattimore was available in the 4th round.
 

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xwalker;5042524 said:
I somewhat understand your reasoning.

I would at least swap out B. Jones for some 3rd to 4th round OL that have a change to contribute in 2013 and have similar upsides (Brian Schwenke,
Khaled Holmes, Alvin Bailey). Also, I would wait to see if Lattimore was available in the 4th round.

Truthfully, I like Schwenke more than Jones. But he seems like he gets mocked to us in the 3rd round in every draft. I just wanted to switch it up some more.

This was just a mock to get some different players that we aren't used to. Not my ideal draft, but I would be happy with it.
 

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xwalker;5042524 said:
I somewhat understand your reasoning.

I would at least swap out B. Jones for some 3rd to 4th round OL that have a change to contribute in 2013 and have similar upsides (Brian Schwenke,
Khaled Holmes, Alvin Bailey). Also, I would wait to see if Lattimore was available in the 4th round.
Alvin Bailey is to slow and K. Holmes got stomped on by several players last season. Neither a good fit.
 

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I really do like Datone Jones a lot. He is a guy that you could use up and down the line both on the end and as a 3Tech.

IMO, he should be a trade down option if we can't get one of our targets at 18 (Warmack, Cooper, Richardson, etc.)
 

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I love the Datone Jones pick. I am a big fan and his versatility will allow him to contribute right away. Jones is a quick twitch guy that could replace Rat/Hatcher in a year or two. And until Jones grows into an every down 3 technique, he could provide competition at the backup LDE spot with Crawford.
 

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Love this draft.

I like it all.

Jones reminds me of Greg Ellis for some reason.

Love Hopkins, Barrett Jones and JJ Wilcox.

Lattimore is a good pick as well. I think the kid wil turn out to have a good pro career, knee surgeries and all. He's got everything it takes to succeed. My only concern is we'd be replacing Murray with someone who has been even more injured in his playing career.
 
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