A dumb rule that should change (IMO)

[ABQCOWBOY]

For fun, what if the offense were to lose a point, or two, for missing a failed PAT?

That, to me, would take away from the game. It would probably prevent teams from ever going for 2 unless they had absolutely no choice in the matter. With an EPA, that might be a good idea. It would certainly put a premium on kickers and holders. That might be interesting but I'm more a fan of rewarding teams for making plays as opposed to penalizing for screwing up.

Might be interesting though.

 

[tantrix1969]

For fun, what if the offense were to lose a point, or two, for missing a failed PAT?

now this is a good idea

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

On the other hand, if you took a point away on an EPA, that might incentives teams to go for two a bit more. That might be interesting.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

No, your reward for blocking/intercepting a PAT or 2 pt. conversion is that you only allowed 6 points instead of 7 or 8. You already gave up a TD, you don't get rewarded for a hustle play on the follow up dead ball play.

 

[Califan007]

Guys, the extra point/2-point conversion attempt is part of the TD...it's not a separate play. It's a continuation of the touchdown play. Once the ball crosses the goal line, the play's dead. The only way the opposing team can get the ball back is on the next live play, which is the kick-off. The defense's "reward" is stopping the offense from maximizing the TD play.

 

[pancakeman]

I think if the defense blocks and recovers the ball, the recovering player should be allowed to advance it to the other end, set it up on his toe at the 10, and have a teammate try to kick an extra point of their own during the play. :-D

 

[KJJ]

I've always thought it was weird that if an extra point is blocked, the ball is dead; the defense is not allowed to advance the ball. I think if they block the attempt and manage to advance it to the other endzone, they should be awarded the 1 point. Same thing with a 2-point conversion. If the defense intercepts or recovers a fumble and advances it to the other endzone, they should get the 2 points.

To me this only makes sense. During other times of play, it's always possible for either the offense or the defense to score.

I'm fine with the rule the way it is because by blocking the extra point you're costing your opponent a point which can loom large in the end. An extra point is routine so having one blocked even early in a game can come back to haunt you. Having an extra point blocked can result in a team being forced to go for 2 points later in a game.

 

[DogFace]

I understand what he's saying but I'm asking why? It could still be dead ball play. You either score or you don't. Doesn't have to effect the clock.

Yes. Correct

 

[5Stars]

For fun, what if the offense were to lose a point, or two, for missing a failed PAT?

STOP RIGHT HERE, NOW!

What if Goodell reads this forum?

 

[DogFace]

STOP RIGHT HERE, NOW!

What if Goodell reads this forum?

Good point. Ok you win. Leave it the way it is

 

[joseephuss]

But not in Football. The game has changed. I understand the point you are making but those rules were adopted at a time in the games evolution where scoring was much, much more difficult. At this point, the Defense is penalized enough. An extra point is almost automatic in today's game. It's actually very, very difficult to block a kick or intercept a ball. The rules, IMO, need to change along with the game. The reasoning behind those rules are no longer relevant IMO. I see no reason not to allow reward for a great Special Teams play.

You are just complicating things. Keep it simple. I would be more for counting TDs as 7 points and doing away with the PAT than doing what you are suggesting. And I am not really for that. Not everything about football has to evolve. Some things can stay the same. That doesn't make it a dumb rule.

 

[Idgit]

STOP RIGHT HERE, NOW!

What if Goodell reads this forum?

In that case, how 'bout every time a PAT is missed, a commissioner gets fired?

 

[Lonestar94]

No, your reward for blocking/intercepting a PAT or 2 pt. conversion is that you only allowed 6 points instead of 7 or 8. You already gave up a TD, you don't get rewarded for a hustle play on the follow up dead ball play.

This.

 

[brymatt94]

On a side note, this is a very good topic. And one that has been an entertaining debate without insensible personal jabs. This is what the zone is for.
I think that if the defense manages to block, recover and return the ball almost the entire length of the field, why not give them a point. Certainly would make special teams feel a little more important and exciting.

 

[joseephuss]

On a side note, this is a very good topic. And one that has been an entertaining debate without insensible personal jabs. This is what the zone is for.
I think that if the defense manages to block, recover and return the ball almost the entire length of the field, why not give them a point. Certainly would make special teams feel a little more important and exciting.

Shut up you cotton headed ninny muggins.

 

[brymatt94]

Shut up you cotton headed ninny muggins.

Oh you are just the worst type of person.

 

[gbrittain]

I disagree. The extra point is a simple reward to the offense for scoring a touchdown. I don't think the defense should be rewarded for allowing a touchdown. The extra point is a dead play and should stay that way. It is the college and high school rules that seem backwards.

I do not see the defense being rewarded for allowing a touchdown. I see the special teams being rewarded for blocking a kick that is very difficult to block in the first place and then pulling off the very unlikely nearly full length of the field run into the other teams endzone.

I think that is worth a point...my opinion anyway.

 

[Angus]

the extra point is a dead ball play. under your plan if a team scored a td to tie a game with say 25 seconds left they could just run the clock down to one second, kick the ball and the game is over. those last drive comebacks would be very difficult if the team could run the clock down on the extra point and if the clock is not running you can't have a team advance the ball. the rule actually is well thought out and adds alot of interest in the final minute or so of a game if it is a close game

This makes sense.

 

[links18]

College rules allow the defense to advance the ball on a failed extra point for two points, why not the pros? Makes little sense. BTW, in college (unless they changed the rules since last time I looked) any returned extra point is worth two points, regardless if the offense was attempting a kick or advancing the ball into the end zone.

Unlikely to happen with today's injury concerns. It seems they want fewer and fewer full contact plays.

 

[GoldMan]

I agree with the OP. XP is hard to be blocked btw. Defense should be rewarded with something