A HUGE "what if?"- Young to Dallas

[bula]

Bear with this folks .. its a hypothetical.

Given the recent IQ tests on Young, what would happen if these tests results really gain traction and fire up concern about Young's ability to handle a complex offense and he falls to the midddle of the 1st. Does Jerry bite or pass?

 

[Derinyar]

I think we probably do pass.

 

[ComicBookGuy]

I don't think they have any intention of taking a QB early in the draft.

 

[cobra]

If I see the Cowboys walking a Vince Young card to the podium, I'll break through my TV set and lay a horsecollar on the person carrying the card that would make Roy Williams proud.

Luckily, we have a guy named Bill Parcells calling the shots, so I am quite confident that that will not be an issue. There is no possible way that BP approves Vince Young as a first round selection.

Any discussion of such a possibility is just wet dream fantasies of UT or QC fans.

 

[Jethro75]

Cobra:

Why QC fans? Is that a racial inference? Really...why QC fans. I don't understand your logic. If you don't like the idea of Vince being a Cowboy so be it...that's your opinion.

What's it got to do with Quincy?

Whats the link between Quincy and Vince?

 

[sporadic]

So you are saying that you wouldn't take arguable the BEST athlete in the draft mid-1st round??? That's just plain silly.

 

[cobra]

Cobra:

Why QC fans? Is that a racial inference? Really...why QC fans. I don't understand your logic. If you don't like the idea of Vince being a Cowboy so be it...that's your opinion.

What's it got to do with Quincy?

Whats the link between Quincy and Vince?

Some people here believe a quarterback should be a running quarterback. Some people here believe that a team has a better chance of winning with a quarterback who is inclined to take off running. Some people here think Vick is a good quarterback. Some people here like Quincy and thought he offered something to this team.

These are all the same people. And these people all like Vince for the same reasons.

There was no reason at all to support Quincy unless you thought the chance he might run was really valuable. Those who did support him are inclined to support Vince for the same reason.

That's the connection.

Both are poor passers that are not very bright who are athletic and run. Granted, I think Vince is much more talented than Quincy and would choose Vince if I had to take one or the other.

But me, I want to win a Super Bowl at some point. I want a quarterback who understand that his job is to throw the ball and throw the ball well. I want a pocket passer. That is why I am adamantly opposed to Vince as a Cowboy unless they want him to be a WR like Crayton. Vince has no experience in a pro-style offense, has shown no ability to run one, needs serious mechanics work, and has serious question marks of whether he has the mental acumen to read defenses, audible, and run an offense at this level.

Is he a phenomenal athelete? Absolutely. Like I said, give me him as a WR. But not qb.

 

[cobra]

So you are saying that you wouldn't take arguable the BEST athlete in the draft mid-1st round??? That's just plain silly.

Yeah. I'd pass on the best athelete in the draft.... the one who has no value at the position he is trying to be drafted at. If he was trying to be like Matt Jones, I'd take a long look. But he isn't a pro quarterback. And a phenomenal athlete without a position isn't much use to my team.

Bledsoe is our quarterback for the next two years. Vince wouldn't play if we drafted him. And since we are trying to win now, there is no sense in wasting a first round pick on a questionable quarterback who will ride the pine for several seasons when there are other needs that we can fill.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I would take him, but make damn sure he understands that he's sitting the next couple years to get accustomed to the NFL and learns how to be a pocket passer from a guy who has thrown for 43,000 yards. If he's not willing to do that... see ya.

As I see it know, VY has more talent as a QB in his pinky finger than both Romo and Henson, who I think is done anyway. He would be an upgrade at the backup QB slot and at 18, you're not going to have to pay a tremendous amount for him.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I'm not necessarily opposed to drafting a QB, but I would pass on Young. Leinart would be another story.

 

[Jethro75]

I see what your saying about both not being stiffs but what else is the same? Quincy sucked plain and simple. Quincy was Jerry's mistake.
I see no correlation between Quincy and Vince. Apples and Oranges. Vince led the country in passing effeceincy something like 163.5. How's that bad? You say the kids "not very bright"...how do you know? I think Vince will be a heck of a QB...he has that "special something" you can't quantify! Players just follow the guy. He's done it in High School and College and there's nothing to say he can't do the same at the next level.

I've got to ask how you know what people are thinking? I like Vince and didn't like Quincy but by your logic I should have liked both? Just because I think Vince is good doesn't mean I should have liked Quincy!

I respect your opinion....you think both aren't that bright and can't pass....Maybe Quincy..he's shown us as much, but Vince is altogether different. The guy is an unbelievable player.

You just can't compare the too....it doesn't add up.

 

[ComicBookGuy]

The reason Vince became the player he did is because in the middle of the 2004 season, Mack simplified the Texas offense. He couldn't grasp it up to that point. He had problems making the reads they asked him and he made as many if not more mistakes than plays.

They simplified the offense. Based it off of the shotgun option and he ran with it. His reads were simplified, he began using his tight end far more often. His offense was not a pro-offense. It was closer to a high school offense. In fact, the offense they ran was based off his high school's offense.

I have doubts as to whether or not he can grasp a NFL playbook.

 

[Qwickdraw]

Unlike Vince, in that case I think we would show the ability to "pass".

 

[nathanlt]

Jim Rome was ripping Young today, how he hasn't made a good decision since the Rose Bowl, and his draft stock is slipping.

Since crazy opinions are allowed here, I can relate to kids growing up in Texas wanting to play for the Cowboys when they grow up. In the back of my mind, I wonder if he wants to play for a team with better surrounding talent than the top 10 teams in the draft.

Last year, we saw a QB fall nearly out of the first round. I don't consider it impossible for Vince Young to fall to 18. Pretty unlikely but possible.

Then, if he WERE available at 18, I don't think Parcells would pull the trigger on that pick. Parcells doesn't want a new QB. He's at the point in his coaching career where he trusts his quarterback, and he's building up younger guys in Henson and Romo. Parcells does not want to start over. I don't think Dallas would pick him.

And yet, I wouldn't mind it if Dallas picked him. It would be exciting to have him on the team, he COULD do amazing things if he limited his injuries by not scrambling so much.

 

[ComicBookGuy]

And yet, I wouldn't mind it if Dallas picked him. It would be exciting to have him on the team, he COULD do amazing things if he limited his injuries by not scrambling so much.

But his ability to scramble is the biggest reason for his success. He doens't have the ability to stand in the pocket and pick apart a defense at this point. He has to get the defense worried about him taking off. This allows more passing lanes to open up. At this point, he is not going to be somebody who can pick apart a defense. He's more of a game management type with wheels.

 

[nathanlt]

But his ability to scramble is the biggest reason for his success. He doens't have the ability to stand in the pocket and pick apart a defense at this point. He has to get the defense worried about him taking off. This allows more passing lanes to open up. At this point, he is not going to be somebody who can pick apart a defense. He's more of a game management type with wheels.

My point is that the Michael Vick types always have to deal with injury because running QB's in the NFL get injured more. You're point is valid. Running is the strongest component of his passing game. Good input, I'll remember that.

 

[Clove]

We know what Cobra is all about now. *You've been exposed*

What is the big deal with a QB that has the ability to run? What's Anglo America so bitter about? I don't get it....... This guy takes a team with no WRs on it, an okay running game, and all by himself with one of the best QB ratings (passer ratings) and forced his way to a Championship.

Now, I'm going to save this thread and if VY takes a team all the way and wins the SB, I will know that America has an agenda. (Remember, Steve Young could run too)

 

[5mics]

Bear with this folks .. its a hypothetical.

Given the recent IQ tests on Young, what would happen if these tests results really gain traction and fire up concern about Young's ability to handle a complex offense and he falls to the midddle of the 1st. Does Jerry bite or pass?

VY with our 1st (18th overall)? HELL YA, M. Huff be damned!!!

 

[StanleySpadowski]

If Young's on the board at #18, I'd worry about someone breaking a leg or twisting an ankle rushing to turn the card in.

I don't care if he can read a defense or even read for that matter, he wouldn't be a QB for me anyway. If Matt Jones can go in the first, an athlete like Young should go much earlier. He'd be an instant gamebreaker on offense. Imagine that little Steve Smith/Santana Moss screen with their speed/quickness but size to break tackles and the threat to throw the ball. He'd be worth an extra ten TDs at least.

 

[ComicBookGuy]

We know what Cobra is all about now. *You've been exposed*

What is the big deal with a QB that has the ability to run? What's Anglo America so bitter about? I don't get it....... This guy takes a team with no WRs on it, an okay running game, and all by himself with one of the best QB ratings (passer ratings) and forced his way to a Championship.

Now, I'm going to save this thread and if VY takes a team all the way and wins the SB, I will know that America has an agenda. (Remember, Steve Young could run too)

:laugh2:Give me a break. "Okay running game"? He had one of the best running games along with one of the top 2 or 3 offensive lines in the nation. Yes he did have a great passer rating and that is a credit to him. But to say he had NO recievers when he had one of the better college TE's and two above average WR's in addition to one of the better stable of RB's in the nation is ridiculous.