A.J. Brown said he won't apologize for talking about his frustration on Twitch

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....just wait when they go on three game losing streak.

Gonna be perfect storm.
 
Reality said:
If you're going to go 10, why not 20 years? Or 30?

Sorry, but that's not smart .. that's just hoping it won't be an issue in the future.

They problem they have now though is the receiver didn't even make it through 2 years before they started causing issues.
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Because there is no point. You only really need to spread out the money such that you can eat the dead cap for that one rest year. It does not matter if it causes issues in the future because you get a Super Bowl in the process. All you have to do is reset for a down year after. The Buccs did it to win a Super Bowl, the Rams did it (to also win a Super Bowl), the Eagles did it previously to win a Super Bowl and then reset and are doing it again to win that 2nd Super Bowl, and the Bills did it to be competitive for one. Yes it means you have a big dead cap hit year but one bad year for 5 years of contention before doing it again is a good trade.
 
Adreme said:
Because there is no point. You only really need to spread out the money such that you can eat the dead cap for that one rest year. It does not matter if it causes issues in the future because you get a Super Bowl in the process. All you have to do is reset for a down year after. The Buccs did it to win a Super Bowl, the Rams did it (to also win a Super Bowl), the Eagles did it previously to win a Super Bowl and then reset and are doing it again to win that 2nd Super Bowl, and the Bills did it to be competitive for one. Yes it means you have a big dead cap hit year but one bad year for 5 years of contention before doing it again is a good trade.
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It's true you can push the consequences down the road, but the problem is that the Eagles seem to have taken it to a whole new level spreading a 3-year contract out over 10 years.

Like I posted recently in another unrelated thread, you can spread a car purchase over 30 years like a mortgage and brag about how low your car payments are, but that doesn't make it smart.

Take Saquon Barkley's contract for example .. it's basically a 2-year deal for $41 million .. yet, his contract is a 8-year contract. 3 years are voided and 1 will be voided later.

If they release him after 2 years after the 2026 season, his dead cap hit will be $28 million. It will be $17 million after the 2027 season if they hold on to him for a third year.

You can do probably get away doing that with one player, but to do it with multiple players starts creating some nightmare scenarios in the future and that's assuming you don't have issues with them beforehand such as someone like Brown getting disgruntled over lack of opportunties or Barkley ending up with a serious leg injury.

Now look at Jalen Hurts contract .. It was basically a 5-year $255 million contract .. however, the contract length is 10 years with 3 void years and one year to be voided later. Granted, quaterbacks typically are safer bets but not when combined with multiple other players getting those types of contracts.

Eventually, those are going to start hitting the cap hard and with multiple players the odds increase that there will be multiple hits in multiple seasons, not just one write-off season.

There isn't a player on the Cowboys or Eagles I would gamble with those types of contracts that could accelerate at any point.
 
Reality said:
It's true you can push the consequences down the road, but the problem is that the Eagles seem to have taken it to a whole new level spreading a 3-year contract out over 10 years.

Like I posted recently in another unrelated thread, you can spread a car purchase over 30 years like a mortgage and brag about how low your car payments are, but that doesn't make it smart.

Take Saquon Barkley's contract for example .. it's basically a 2-year deal for $41 million .. yet, his contract is a 8-year contract. 3 years are voided and 1 will be voided later.

If they release him after 2 years after the 2026 season, his dead cap hit will be $28 million. It will be $17 million after the 2027 season if they hold on to him for a third year.

You can do probably get away doing that with one player, but to do it with multiple players starts creating some nightmare scenarios in the future and that's assuming you don't have issues with them beforehand such as someone like Brown getting disgruntled over lack of opportunties or Barkley ending up with a serious leg injury.

Now look at Jalen Hurts contract .. It was basically a 5-year $255 million contract .. however, the contract length is 10 years with 3 void years and one year to be voided later. Granted, quaterbacks typically are safer bets but not when combined with multiple other players getting those types of contracts.

Eventually, those are going to start hitting the cap hard and with multiple players the odds increase that there will be multiple hits in multiple seasons, not just one write-off season.

There isn't a player on the Cowboys or Eagles I would gamble with those types of contracts that could accelerate at any point.
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Those gambles are why they are Super Bowl champions. The proof is in the pudding. To be either in or contending for a Super Bowl for a sustained period you either have to have one of the 3-4 very elite QBs and surround them with talent or have one of the 10-12 very good QBs and go all in for 5 year windows (bonus points if the QB is on a rookie deal). Basically you either get comfortable with the risk or you accept being capped at a nice team that is always close but never really a contender.
 
Adreme said:
Those gambles are why they are Super Bowl champions. The proof is in the pudding. To be either in or contending for a Super Bowl for a sustained period you either have to have one of the 3-4 very elite QBs and surround them with talent or have one of the 10-12 very good QBs and go all in for 5 year windows (bonus points if the QB is on a rookie deal). Basically you either get comfortable with the risk or you accept being capped at a nice team that is always close but never really a contender.
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The problem is those moves just started .. it got them Barkley and Brown, but now their offense is struggling, Brown is complaining every week and they have multiple players on those very long contracts.

The deals always look great in year one or two, but at some point the contracts are going to hit their cap hard and given how long they spread them out, it's going to be even worse for them, especially if multiple 8+ year contracts start accelerating at the same time.

Like I said before, the Eagles used to take risks like most teams do to get them over the hump to the Super Bowl and it worked with those 4-6 year contracts that were really 2-3 year contracts.

The problem is now is the time they should have been dealing with the true salary cap impacts of the contracts from those past years but instead they doubled-down. However, the only way they could double down was to go even further with 8-10 year contracts.

That's like getting new credit cards to make payments (not pay off, but payments) on existing credit cards. The Eagles did that over the last few years. Now they're doing it again to make payments on the cards that were used to make payments on the other cards.

In the short term the problem is solved. Long term is where the problems happen. That's why right now you can claim how smart they are, but that's because they just started these contracts.

It will be interesting to see what happens to their cap over the next 2 to 3 years when those contracts start accelerating and the dead money starts hitting at the same time.
 
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I wish we had players like Brown, although CD is there. Much like Brown he doesn't accept or like losing when he knows we could be better. A 10-7 score was pretty putrid for an Eagles team loaded with talent. For Brown though I have some advice you better get used to it. You can't change OC's in midseason to install the system, or a new play caller. Will take you though. My prediction for the Eagles a early playoff exit and a quick firing of their rookie OC.
 
These receivers are special breed of morons. It's rare to find your Rices, Harrisons, Fitzgerald's, edelmens etc. These whiney, selfish, self centered receivers drive me crazy. Just shut up and do your job.

I wish they can insert the language in their contracts that specifically prohibits any discussions about the team outside of their position and 0 negative talk about the team. If you break it, contract is voided.
 
Reality said:
I just looked at his contract .. now I'm starting to understand how Philadelphia is paying out the large contracts without any issues.

They gave AJ Brown a 10-year deal. The last 4 are voided so they could spread out his cap hit over 10 years instead of the 6-years (technically) his contract covers.

That said, at its core the contract signed last year (2024) is a 3-year contract for $96 million.

So, they basically signed him to a 3 year extension by giving him a 10 year contract.

If the Eagles release/trade Brown this year, they would get hit with up to around $90 million (less amount paid so far this season) dead cap hit.

If the Eagles release/trade Brown next year, they would get hit with a $72 million dead cap hit.

The bottom line is the Eagles are not as smart as some would make them out to be with their cap space. They simply are willing to roll the dice and worry about the cap at some point in the future.
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The biggest issue with how they structure these deals is that they sign the right people, so they aren't forced to release someone earlier than fiscally(cap) viable.

They've done a good job with that so far. AJ Brown might end up being the exception, but hes never happy. This is probably why Tennessee was willing to part ways in the first place.

Even with the cap going up I cant imagine these contracts dont eventually catch up to them. It won't matter though, because they will have superbowls to show for the risk. I only wish our GM had the fortitude to play it this way. "All in."
 
IMO Eagles have no want to cut him. This a routine with Brown, but he's still talented enough to hold onto.
They been having musical chairs at OC for years now.
 
Adreme said:
That is literally what being smart with cap space is. You decide on your window, go for it during that window, have a bad year, and then do it again.
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I agree with you. They may have a couple 4 or 5 win seasons in a row, but they'll have them with 2 recent super bowl wins in their hip pockets. I think Jerry is very scared of having a 4 win season.
 
Reality said:
I just looked at his contract .. now I'm starting to understand how Philadelphia is paying out the large contracts without any issues.

They gave AJ Brown a 10-year deal. The last 4 are voided so they could spread out his cap hit over 10 years instead of the 6-years (technically) his contract covers.

That said, at its core the contract signed last year (2024) is a 3-year contract for $96 million.

So, they basically signed him to a 3 year extension by giving him a 10 year contract.

If the Eagles release/trade Brown this year, they would get hit with up to around $90 million (less amount paid so far this season) dead cap hit.

If the Eagles release/trade Brown next year, they would get hit with a $72 million dead cap hit.

The bottom line is the Eagles are not as smart as some would make them out to be with their cap space. They simply are willing to roll the dice and worry about the cap at some point in the future.
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As bad as it looks he is due option bonuses in 2026, 2027 and 2028. Trading him at the end of this year saves them CA space down the road when they will really need it. In 2029, Hurt's deal will be over and the Eagles will have a $97 million CAP hit for him in a voidable year. In fact, by 2029 they will have accumulated over $400 million in voidable years. One way out of this problem is to get rid of players who are due option bonuses pro-rated into voidable years before those bonuses are due.
 
I get it. He's an all-pro caliber wr in the prime of his career stuck in an offense that isn't built to showcase him....... with a Qb that really isn't a great passer. He has his ring. Now he wants to have some fun and catch footballs.
 
Yeah I have him in fantasy this year and I can assure you......he is doing nothing. I've actually benched AJ Brown a few times this year, as wild as that may sound. On one hand, a player of his caliber should be getting the ball more, so I get his frustrations. On the other hand, they’re still winning, so sometimes you just have to go along for the ride....but players want to play.
 
Reality said:
I just looked at his contract .. now I'm starting to understand how Philadelphia is paying out the large contracts without any issues.

They gave AJ Brown a 10-year deal. The last 4 are voided so they could spread out his cap hit over 10 years instead of the 6-years (technically) his contract covers.

That said, at its core the contract signed last year (2024) is a 3-year contract for $96 million.

So, they basically signed him to a 3 year extension by giving him a 10 year contract.

If the Eagles release/trade Brown this year, they would get hit with up to around $90 million (less amount paid so far this season) dead cap hit.

If the Eagles release/trade Brown next year, they would get hit with a $72 million dead cap hit.

The bottom line is the Eagles are not as smart as some would make them out to be with their cap space. They simply are willing to roll the dice and worry about the cap at some point in the future.
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True. But the counter to this argument is, they won the Super Bowl last year and went to one 2 years before that.

I would trade a few years of “cap hell” for a superbowl win and another Super Bowl appearance.

I think it’s incumbent upon a GM to know when it’s time to go “all in” and mortgage the future to make a 2-3 year run. Versus when it’s time to tear down, be bad for a couple years and rebuild.

Our GM is content just “being around the rim”. Even though we weren’t around the rim last year and aren’t this year either…
 
Creeper said:
As bad as it looks he is due option bonuses in 2026, 2027 and 2028. Trading him at the end of this year saves them CA space down the road when they will really need it. In 2029, Hurt's deal will be over and the Eagles will have a $97 million CAP hit for him in a voidable year. In fact, by 2029 they will have accumulated over $400 million in voidable years. One way out of this problem is to get rid of players who are due option bonuses pro-rated into voidable years before those bonuses are due.
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I addressed that in one of my other posts. The problem is that the large dead cap hits are unavoidable for 3+ years on those contracts regardless of those option bonuses that can be avoided.

The real issue though is that those contracts (and possibly others) will force the Eagles to restructure/extend them over the next few seasons (likely multiple times) so by the time year 3 or 4 of the current contracts happen, they will have pushed the money down the road yet again while adding to the amount owed.

Meaning those contracts will not make it possible to leave them as-is. My guess is they will start restructuring them as soon as next year which is another reason why there are so many voided years.

It's like the example I gave of getting new credit cards to make payments (not pay off) current debt. At some point, you have to get more credit cards to make payments on the credit cards you got last time to make payments.

I think the Eagles got used to pushing cap issues to 3-4 years in the future, which many teams do, but instead of dealing with them as most teams do at some point, they doubled down and started pushing them 5 to 6 years in the future.
 
HungryLion said:
True. But the counter to this argument is, they won the Super Bowl last year and went to one 2 years before that.

I would trade a few years of “cap hell” for a superbowl win and another Super Bowl appearance.

I think it’s incumbent upon a GM to know when it’s time to go “all in” and mortgage the future to make a 2-3 year run. Versus when it’s time to tear down, be bad for a couple years and rebuild.

Our GM is content just “being around the rim”. Even though we weren’t around the rim last year and aren’t this year either…
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Definitely a valid point! However, they achieved two of those Super Bowl appearances with more traditional and manageable cap deferments These new contracts though are raising the stakes considerably.

It's like being down heavily in gambling and betting larger amounts hoping to "fix" it. If it works, you look smart, but if it fails, it's going to be a problem for a while.
 
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