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Folks, this was a disappointing season, no doubt. As everyone tries to figure out what went wrong and who is to blame, I see a lot of criticism of Romo, Garrett and Phillips. The real reason that this season was a bust is the injuries. I know that sounds like an excuse, but reality says that when you have as many players out as we did, thing are going to break down.

Newman missed about half the season, so we had to rely on rookies and Pacman. Scandrick and Jenkins looked promising but made rookie mistakes. Pacman hurt the team at a crucial time with his behavior. I think if Newman had been healthy all season the secondary would have been solid with everyone knowing their role.

Roy Williams (38). Losing him hurt us more than we care to admit. He isn't good in coverage but he does provide a great deal of run support and the Ravens game showed how much we missed him. We were short at safety all season; starting Killer and Ball on occasion. This injury was more important than we want to admit.

Kosier was a huge loss. I think everyone will admit that he is a solid part of this line, especially now that we see what this line was without him. Holland getting hurt after one start really killed us. Proctor just wasn't up to the job.

Marion Barber getting hurt at the end of the season was a back breaker. After losing Felix Jones early, our running game got thin. Although Choice looked good, he is MBIII light. He is not a break away threat and he doesn't pound a defense like Barber. What was one of the real strengths of this team became a weakness after losing the #1 and #2 RB's. We became one dimensional that allowed some pretty good defenses to just tee off on us. With Kosier out our line could not keep the pressure off Romo and his desire to make plays resulted in forcing passes and getting manhandled in the backfield.

Losing McBriar was huge as we saw late in the season. Most people don't realize how important a punter can be until you lose a great one. Field postion constantly turned against us because of this. You can't give away field positon like we did and expect to win, especially when you don't have your best team on the field.

Finally, the injury Romo took put us in a hole we could not climb out of. We should have won all three of the games he missed. That's 11-5 and the team would be confident going into the playoffs. Add in that Romo's passes lacked accuracy and velocity after the injury and you can see how big this injury was.

Whenever you want to complain about Romo, think back to where we have been. 61% completion rate, 3448 yards, 26 TD's vs. 14 interceptions, with a passer rating of 91. Would you have taken this when we had Carter, or Henson, or Bledsoe behind center? And this was Tony's worst season.

Garrett became one dimensional at the end. Everyone knew it and were ready. But in his defense, look at what he had to work with at the end. A third string rookie running back, a third string guard. An injured QB and his receivers trying to decide his game plan for him.

Injuries are part of the game. You get them and move on. But at some point, you run out of depth as we did. You lose a few games as a result and then the team starts pointing fingers, just like we are here. That will rip an organization apart.

We have been lucky over the last few years not to get bit by the injury bug. Well, it caught us this year. No one is saying that the Patriots are junk because they failed to win it all this year, and that is because of one injury - Brady. We had numerous key injuries and all of the sudden this team is junk. Go figure.

I guess that NE fans are just a little more tolerant than we are.
 

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fortdick;2592161 said:
Folks, this was a disappointing season, no doubt. As everyone tries to figure out what went wrong and who is to blame, I see a lot of criticism of Romo, Garrett and Phillips. The real reason that this season was a bust is the injuries. I know that sounds like an excuse, but reality says that when you have as many players out as we did, thing are going to break down.

Newman missed about half the season, so we had to rely on rookies and Pacman. Scandrick and Jenkins looked promising but made rookie mistakes. Pacman hurt the team at a crucial time with his behavior. I think if Newman had been healthy all season the secondary would have been solid with everyone knowing their role.

Roy Williams (38). Losing him hurt us more than we care to admit. He isn't good in coverage but he does provide a great deal of run support and the Ravens game showed how much we missed him. We were short at safety all season; starting Killer and Ball on occasion. This injury was more important than we want to admit.

Kosier was a huge loss. I think everyone will admit that he is a solid part of this line, especially now that we see what this line was without him. Holland getting hurt after one start really killed us. Proctor just wasn't up to the job.

Marion Barber getting hurt at the end of the season was a back breaker. After losing Felix Jones early, our running game got thin. Although Choice looked good, he is MBIII light. He is not a break away threat and he doesn't pound a defense like Barber. What was one of the real strengths of this team became a weakness after losing the #1 and #2 RB's. We became one dimensional that allowed some pretty good defenses to just tee off on us. With Kosier out our line could not keep the pressure off Romo and his desire to make plays resulted in forcing passes and getting manhandled in the backfield.

Losing McBriar was huge as we saw late in the season. Most people don't realize how important a punter can be until you lose a great one. Field postion constantly turned against us because of this. You can't give away field positon like we did and expect to win, especially when you don't have your best team on the field.

Finally, the injury Romo took put us in a hole we could not climb out of. We should have won all three of the games he missed. That's 11-5 and the team would be confident going into the playoffs. Add in that Romo's passes lacked accuracy and velocity after the injury and you can see how big this injury was.

Whenever you want to complain about Romo, think back to where we have been. 61% completion rate, 3448 yards, 26 TD's vs. 14 interceptions, with a passer rating of 91. Would you have taken this when we had Carter, or Henson, or Bledsoe behind center? And this was Tony's worst season.

Garrett became one dimensional at the end. Everyone knew it and were ready. But in his defense, look at what he had to work with at the end. A third string rookie running back, a third string guard. An injured QB and his receivers trying to decide his game plan for him.

Injuries are part of the game. You get them and move on. But at some point, you run out of depth as we did. You lose a few games as a result and then the team starts pointing fingers, just like we are here. That will rip an organization apart.

We have been lucky over the last few years not to get bit by the injury bug. Well, it caught us this year. No one is saying that the Patriots are junk because they failed to win it all this year, and that is because of one injury - Brady. We had numerous key injuries and all of the sudden this team is junk. Go figure.

I guess that NE fans are just a little more tolerant than we are.

I made a post like this last week. Get ready for a bunch of people ready to bash Wade, Jones, Romo and accuse you of being a loser and excuse maker.
 

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You going to compare our injuries to NE? Look what they were able to do.
 

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fortdick;2592161 said:
I guess that NE fans are just a little more tolerant than we are.

Well, they HAVE been the best franchise in the league since 2000 and when they get injuries they don't fold like cheap Wal-mart tents like this organization did this year. They finished 11-5 WITHOUT Tom Brady and their career backup QB starting the entire season. Go figure...yeah, coaching is over-rated I guess...Why shouldn't their fans be tolerant? They've accomplished a lot this decade, meanwhile cowboys fans have been subject to nothing but mediocrity.
 

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stiletto;2592175 said:
Well, they HAVE been the best franchise in the league since 2000 and when they get injuries they don't fold like cheap Wal-mart tents like this organization did this year. They finished 11-5 WITHOUT Tom Brady and their backup QB. Go figure...yeah, coaching is over-rated I guess...Why shouldn't their fans be tolerant?

How did they do in the playoffs? It must be real hard in that division to win ball games.
 

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You going to compare our injuries to NE? Look what they were able to do.

Cassell certainly played better than Johnson ever could. Their backup QB is better than ours as if that really shows anything.
 

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fortdick;2592180 said:
How did they do in the playoffs? It must be real hard in that division to win ball games.

They finished 11-5 with their BACKUP QB....what else needs to be said? Who here honestly thinks they wouldn't have given teams trouble had they made the playoffs?? Come on, you can't look any dumber than you do now. You are saying the patriots suck. HOMERITIS to the extreme.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2592167 said:
I made a post like this last week. Get ready for a bunch of people ready to bash Wade, Jones, Romo and accuse you of being a loser and excuse maker.

Reactionaries, one and all. I am happy with the core of this team

Romo
Witten
Barber
Felix Jones
Davis
Flo
Gurode
Columbo
Kosier
Ware
Ratliff
Newman
Hamlin
James

If I am going to blame anyone for this year, it is TO!
Get rid of TO and Tank and everything will be fine.
 

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Garrett became one dimensional at the end. Everyone knew it and were ready. But in his defense, look at what he had to work with at the end. A third string rookie running back, a third string guard. An injured QB and his receivers trying to decide his game plan for him.

Garrett was one-dimensional from the very beginning. He was criticized for it in his first game against the Commanders this year. That third-string running back actually ran quite well, and Garrett had no excuse to become one-dimensional the way Choice proved himself. He was being attacked for not using Felix Jones more and he waited a long time to actually use him.

It is actually quite amusing that everybody is blaming other players for deciding the game-plan for him. I guess that implies they weren't having success, so they revolted. How does that make Garrett look good? Funny thing, TO said early what all other players eventually came out and said by the end of the year.

Like I said, nobody forced Garrett to not run. He was made Assistanat Head Coach and given the highest-paid job for his position in all of football. COnsidering the way Romo, the franchise QB, was getting pounded, one can only wonder what went on through Garrett's head to keep trying to go with long-developing patterns that further succumbeed Romo to more battering.
 

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Garrett was one-dimensional from the very beginning. He was criticized for it in his first game against the Commanders this year. That third-string running back actually ran quite well, and Garrett had no excuse to become one-dimensional the way Choice proved himself. He was being attacked for not using Felix Jones more and he waited a long time to actually use him.

It is actually quite amusing that everybody is blaming other players for deciding the game-plan for him. I guess that implies they weren't having success, so they revolted. How does that make Garrett look good? Funny thing, TO said early what all other players eventually came out and said by the end of the year.

Like I said, nobody forced Garrett to not run. He was made Assistanat Head Coach and given the highest-paid job for his position in all of football.

So Choice = or > Barber? He did good, yes, but he couldn't break away. What did we have behind him? Losing Jones really hurt us.

Garrett could shut TO up. That is Jerry's doing. He created this monster, now he has to fix it. Everyweek TO had some issue with the game plan and you know that there was a lot of pressure to make him happy. Jerry must have constantly been on Wade and Garrett about TO's production, and if you don't believe that you are naive. You could see Romo trying to force the ball to TO. You can see the effect it had on the field.
 

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stiletto;2592185 said:
They finished 11-5 with their BACKUP QB....what else needs to be said? Who here honestly thinks they wouldn't have given teams trouble had they made the playoffs?? Come on, you can't look any dumber than you do now. You are saying the patriots suck. HOMERITIS to the extreme.

This really says nothing. Cassell is one heck of a QB and developed nicely. We didn't have great backups at OG, QB, S, P, etc.

At the end of the day though the Pats went from 16-0 and a trip to the SB to 11-5 and getting outted in the first round. Do you think that injuries were the reason for that? According to you thats just an excuse becuase good teams overcome injuries. The dropoff has to be for another reason.

I mean we went 9-7 and barely missed the playoffs. From the way people around here act its as if we went 5-11 and finished last in the division.
 

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So Choice = or > Barber? He did good, yes, but he couldn't break away. What did we have behind him? Losing Jones really hurt us.

Garrett could shut TO up. That is Jerry's doing. He created this monster, now he has to fix it. Everyweek TO had some issue with the game plan and you know that there was a lot of pressure to make him happy. Jerry must have constantly been on Wade and Garrett about TO's production, and if you don't believe that you are naive. You could see Romo trying to force the ball to TO. You can see the effect it had on the field.

Bingo....

Right on about the injuries, too. "Injuries are no excuse!!!"... Except when other teams have them.

This team has its problems, but it's not as hopeless as people make it out to be.
 

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dmq;2592168 said:
You going to compare our injuries to NE? Look what they were able to do.
Exactly. NE lost their QB for the whole season, and finished the year with several starters on IR. And still won 11 games. Baltimore suffered more games lost to injury than any team by far, and lost the AFCC with 4 minutes left in the game.

Dallas was in the middle of the pack with injuries. Dallas finished the year with 20 of 22 starters on the field.

Injuries are a lousy excuse, and an inaccurate one to boot.
 

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Exactly. NE lost their QB for the whole season, and finished the year with several starters on IR. And still won 11 games. Baltimore suffered more games lost to injury than any team by far, and lost the AFCC with 4 minutes left in the game.

Dallas was in the middle of the pack with injuries. Dallas finished the year with 20 of 22 starters on the field.

Injuries are a lousy excuse, and an inaccurate one to boot.

THE PATRIOTS WENT FROM 16-0 TO 11-5!!!!!!!!
 

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So Choice = or > Barber? He did good, yes, but he couldn't break away. What did we have behind him? Losing Jones really hurt us.

Garrett could shut TO up. That is Jerry's doing. He created this monster, now he has to fix it. Everyweek TO had some issue with the game plan and you know that there was a lot of pressure to make him happy. Jerry must have constantly been on Wade and Garrett about TO's production, and if you don't believe that you are naive. You could see Romo trying to force the ball to TO. You can see the effect it had on the field.

You think Barber can break away with his speed? What is his longest run for a TD? Choice was running against the top 5 defenses, pretty much better than most backs did all year against them. Are you seriously going to argue that Choice limited Garrett's play-calling? And last I remember, Garrett was being criticized for not even usign Felix Jones. He was blasted for giving him, what, at most 5-8 carries in one game. How long did it take to use him anyways? And, do you honestly think Garrett's game plan was dictated by the big, bully that is TO? Seriously? So Romo was forcing balls to TO, and he never once blamed TO, but pretty much called Garrett out for his schemes, and you think it was on TO? Now Roy Williams comes out and says Garrett isn't that good. As he himself stated, the idea that he doesn't knwo the offense isn't justified. He played in the same style offense in Detroit. Why Would RW blame Garrett, if it was TO that allegedly the one that was saying to ignore RW and throw him the ball?

Why was Wade saying the whole year we need to run the ball more? Didn't he explicitly state in his final PC that TOs were a result of not running the ball?

Like I said, Garrett was paid and was named Assistant Head Coach. It was his choice to not run.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2592236 said:
THE PATRIOTS WENT FROM 16-0 TO 11-5!!!!!!!!
Your point? Oh, that's right, your point is to make an excuse for the Cowboys.

Most of the Cowboys starters were out there at the end of the season. Baltimore's D was one of the 2 or 3 best in football, in spite of missing 3 starters much of the season.

The Pat's starting QB, RT, SS, RB, best OLB, and several reserves were on IR at the end of the year, and in some cases, missed the entire season.

If Dallas were down Romo, Ware, Columbo, Barber, etc for the whole season, we probably go 4-12 or some such.

A lot of thick skulls can't process that as far as injury seasons go, this was pretty average for an NFL team. Dallas fans were just spoiled because there were so few injuries in '07.

On top of all that, I have bad news for you. These guys will be a year older next season. It's very likely that '09 will be worse than '08 for injuries, especially on the OL, where the entire group is 30+.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2592184 said:
Cassell certainly played better than Johnson ever could. Their backup QB is better than ours as if that really shows anything.

Ever could or ever could this year and in the future? Brad has had better seasons than Cassell put up this year. Cassell is better now because Johnson is no longer in his prime.
 

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Double Trouble;2592263 said:
Your point? Oh, that's right, your point is to make an excuse for the Cowboys.

Most of the Cowboys starters were out there at the end of the season. Baltimore's D was one of the 2 or 3 best in football, in spite of missing 3 starters much of the season.

The Pat's starting QB, RT, SS, RB, best OLB, and several reserves were on IR at the end of the year, and in some cases, missed the entire season.

If Dallas were down Romo, Ware, Columbo, Barber, etc for the whole season, we probably go 4-12 or some such.

A lot of thick skulls can't process that as far as injury seasons go, this was pretty average for an NFL team. Dallas fans were just spoiled because there were so few injuries in '07.

On top of all that, I have bad news for you. These guys will be a year older next season. It's very likely that '09 will be worse than '08 for injuries, especially on the OL, where the entire group is 30+.

Youre not acknowledging that the Pats had a serious dropoff this year. Why did they not perform as well as last year?
 

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joseephuss;2592278 said:
Ever could or ever could this year and in the future? Brad has had better seasons than Cassell put up this year. Cassell is better now because Johnson is no longer in his prime.

Fair enough. I go with the latter.
 
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