A question about the QB

[Diehardblues]

Agreed that the defense has either been ignored or some really piss poor front office decisions via the draft or free agents have hurt the defensive efforts. While I agree that Dallas' offense is superior to that of the defense, that formula clearly isn't working and by the time the defense starts to improve the age/health of the offensive line will be at a point where the focus will need to be on rubuilding that unti which will, like dominoes, impact the QB, RB, and WR play.

That said, Dallas enjoyed more success (even going back to the Aikman days) when they had a potent rushing attack combined with a quality passing attack. Sadly Dallas has gotten away from that approach by investing heavily (Cooper trade, Lamb 1st round pick) in the passing game. Whether people wish to admit it or not Zeke is not the player he was his rookie season and the offensive line is not as dominant as they once were. While Dak has caught the attention of commentators and certain fans with his passing prowess recently, the fact is that Dallas does not win when it's the aerial Dak show.

That is not a shot at Dak but rather the offensive game planning and organizational philosophy. JJ looks at Dak and the WR's like a shiny sports car and he wants to press the gas down all the way for his own personal ego but the fact remains that all going fast does is cost you speeding tickets (aka leaving a poor defense on the field longer), raises your insurance (aka lessens a winning team), and runs the risk of crashing the damn car (aka exposing Dak to injury).

The whole Dallas philosophy is for crap as they would be much better off with an offensive approach that resembles that of a dominant running team with quick passing to game breaking WR's. Not only does this approach protect Dak better in the pocket (his scrambling ability will now be minimized after the injury) but also allow the Dallas defense to remain fresh by keeping them off the field and lessen their exposure.

(In 2016 when Dallas went 13-3 they were ranked 3rd in the NFL in time of possession due to a strong running game. In 2020 Dallas ranked 27th in time of possession. While TOP doesn't always corelate into a winning season, you can't argue the fact that with a questionable defense the less time they are on the field the better the team's chances of winning)

I’d agree with most. Unfortunately with our dysfunctional ownership this is the cards we have been dealt. How do you suggest we make the most of it?

 

[Aviano90]

Then you’re basically admitting your barometer is flawed if don’t expect anyone else to have similar one. That’s the best rebuttal you have.

You have a warped mind.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

While you’re entitled to your own opinion we can’t let someone who expects a magical SB run every year and then mostly blames our QB when it comes up short. Totally ridiculous. Lol

Who is "we"?

I mostly see people disagree with you always trying to tell people their way of being a fan is wrong because it's different than yours.

 

[CowboyRoy]

But that’s what they believe. And it’s all Daks fault. Totally ridiculous. Lol

Obvious trolling.

Every day is the same day. Nothing ever changes. We just keep having the same dumb conversations with the same 5 or 6 football challenged posters. Its like groundhog day on here. Really they are just trying to ruin a Cowboys fan forum. No new material, nothing to contribute. It could be the same guy for all we know with 6 different handles. LOL

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Consistency. That's has been my biggest issue with Dak. He gets lazy in his footwork which leads to his release being off which leads to bad throws, some of which are still caught so it doesn't show up in the stats per se. Although he was driving me crazy with all his turnovers to start the year last year, the encouraging thing was that he seemed a lot more consistent in his mechanics and when not fumbling the ball away, he was throwing really well. His pocket awareness is still bad or seems bad given all the fumbles he had before he got hurt last year, so that needs to improve.

It's going to be interesting to see how he does after the injury. I know everyone says he is a tough guy, mentally tough, etc but I haven't seen any evidence of that yet but we will get to see if that is true or not soon. I am not saying he isn't, just saying there is no evidence of that to this point. I believe this is his first serious injury. And he didn't respond well after the Atl beating he took, so we will see how he responds now. After all the money he got, I sure hope he is everything Jerry thinks he can be.

 

[USArmyVet]

Cherry picking again? Anyone that remotely understands football can clearly see that we are throwing a lot because the defense sucks and we have to play catchup. If the defense could actually stop anyone on a regular basis there would be no need to throw as much. Football 101.

Your implication that we are losing because Dak throws for 400 yards and 3 TD's is laughably ridiculous. You should be embarrassed posting that, but for whatever reason you arent. And on top of it, all you do is go around to every thread saying the same laughable thing.

If you ever wondered why you get hammered for being a troll, this is why.

Was I speaking to you? No, I was having an adult dialogue with another member. That said, where did I reference 400 yards and 3 TD's thrown by Dak? I didn't but you felt the need to imply that to somehow add to your 'story' What I referenced was Dak throwing 40+ times in a game and I pointed out numerous times when the game was not out of hand therefore the need to throw 40+ times was not warranted, especially when throwing that much clearly shows a poor team record.

So, please allow the adults to converse to one another in a productive manner without interjecting with your name calling based posts as some sort of immature way to get your weak argument across.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You have a warped mind.

He also pretends to be "in the middle" of Dak haters and Dak homers, but if you pay attention you can easily see who he sides with the most.

He just wants to tell other people how they should be a fan and what their expectations for the team should be instead of just letting them think what they want.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Agreed that the defense has either been ignored or some really piss poor front office decisions via the draft or free agents have hurt the defensive efforts. While I agree that Dallas' offense is superior to that of the defense, that formula clearly isn't working and by the time the defense starts to improve the age/health of the offensive line will be at a point where the focus will need to be on rubuilding that unti which will, like dominoes, impact the QB, RB, and WR play.

That said, Dallas enjoyed more success (even going back to the Aikman days) when they had a potent rushing attack combined with a quality passing attack. Sadly Dallas has gotten away from that approach by investing heavily (Cooper trade, Lamb 1st round pick) in the passing game. Whether people wish to admit it or not Zeke is not the player he was his rookie season and the offensive line is not as dominant as they once were. While Dak has caught the attention of commentators and certain fans with his passing prowess recently, the fact is that Dallas does not win when it's the aerial Dak show.

That is not a shot at Dak but rather the offensive game planning and organizational philosophy. JJ looks at Dak and the WR's like a shiny sports car and he wants to press the gas down all the way for his own personal ego but the fact remains that all going fast does is cost you speeding tickets (aka leaving a poor defense on the field longer), raises your insurance (aka lessens a winning team), and runs the risk of crashing the damn car (aka exposing Dak to injury).

The whole Dallas philosophy is for crap as they would be much better off with an offensive approach that resembles that of a dominant running team with quick passing to game breaking WR's. Not only does this approach protect Dak better in the pocket (his scrambling ability will now be minimized after the injury) but also allow the Dallas defense to remain fresh by keeping them off the field and lessen their exposure.

(In 2016 when Dallas went 13-3 they were ranked 3rd in the NFL in time of possession due to a strong running game. In 2020 Dallas ranked 27th in time of possession. While TOP doesn't always corelate into a winning season, you can't argue the fact that with a questionable defense the less time they are on the field the better the team's chances of winning)

Great post. But I would argue that we dont have ANY formula here. That is the problem.

For my money it doesnt matter how you score as long as you score and score a lot. The monster passing attack would work just fine if we had a defense. Personally I do prefer the balance, but honestly it doenst matter. You just cant be really bad at one of them.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Was I speaking to you? No, I was having an adult dialogue with another member. That said, where did I reference 400 yards and 3 TD's thrown by Dak? I didn't but you felt the need to imply that to somehow add to your 'story' What I referenced was Dak throwing 40+ times in a game and I pointed out numerous times when the game was not out of hand therefore the need to throw 40+ times was not warranted, especially when throwing that much clearly shows a poor team record.

So, please allow the adults to converse to one another in a productive manner without interjecting with your name calling based posts as some sort of immature way to get your weak argument across.

Roy and his "400 yards and 3 TDs" go to is getting kinda sad at this point.

We get it, Roy. You care about Daks stats. You don't have to keep reminding us what really matters to you.

 

[Aviano90]

He also pretends to be "in the middle" of Dak haters and Dak homers, but if you pay attention you can easily see who he sides with the most.

He just wants to tell other people how they should be a fan and what their expectations for the team should be instead of just letting them think what they want.

Gregg always has an ulterior motive behind his posts. Rarely will he ever just give his opinion on anything. Usually his beating around the bush style is to try to and lead a conversation to Jerry Jones in some way, shape or form.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Was I speaking to you? No, I was having an adult dialogue with another member. That said, where did I reference 400 yards and 3 TD's thrown by Dak? I didn't but you felt the need to imply that to somehow add to your 'story' What I referenced was Dak throwing 40+ times in a game and I pointed out numerous times when the game was not out of hand therefore the need to throw 40+ times was not warranted, especially when throwing that much clearly shows a poor team record.

So, please allow the adults to converse to one another in a productive manner without interjecting with your name calling based posts as some sort of immature way to get your weak argument across.

You said we lose because Dak is passing a lot. Cowboys were average 370 yards passing a game and 37 points per game before Dak went down. #1 in NFL history!!!

And if your conclusion is we lose because Dak is averaging those stats, then just delete your account. Our losing has little to do with Dak or the offense as a whole and everything to do with the defense. Very basic analysis you seem completely deft at figuring out.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

These threads always bring out the angry people.
Sigh.

Yeah, they do. I guess we all have a little voyeur in us. And that is why we read and post in them. I do enjoy watching people getting beat down who righteously deserve it. Take the anger and emotion out and these threads would be beyond boring.

 

[Diehardblues]

Every day is the same day. Nothing ever changes. We just keep having the same dumb conversations with the same 5 or 6 football challenged posters. Its like groundhog day on here. Really they are just trying to ruin a Cowboys fan forum. No new material, nothing to contribute. It could be the same guy for all we know with 6 different handles. LOL

And why it’s time to place this in its own pinned playground.

 

[Diehardblues]

Who is "we"?

I mostly see people disagree with you always trying to tell people their way of being a fan is wrong because it's different than yours.

That’s only from troll like members yourself. Lol

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Clemson is, in fact, not the in SEC.

Clemson should be in the SEC. Who knows what will happen in college football now that they are professionals and the NCAA, as an organization, has no teeth? Just take all good teams and throw them in one conference.

 

[Diehardblues]

You have a warped mind.

I’m sure you’d think so.

 

[OmerV]

You said we lose because Dak is passing a lot. Cowboys were average 370 yards passing a game and 37 points per game before Dak went down. #1 in NFL history!!!

And if your conclusion is we lose because Dak is averaging those stats, then just delete your account. Our losing has little to do with Dak or the offense as a whole and everything to do with the defense. Very basic analysis you seem completely deft at figuring out.

The reality is that we weren't losing because Dak was passing a lot, Dak was passing a lot to try and cover for a defense that wasn't holding up its end of the deal. I will say some 1st half inconsistencies on offense, particularly fumbles, also had an affect, but in general if the defense had stepped up a little we wouldn't have been forced into passing so much.

 

[CowboyFrog]

The reality isn't that we were losing BECAUSE Dak was passing a lot, we were losing because the defense wasn't holding down the opposing offense, which is what forced the team to pass a lot in an effort to keep pace. I will say some 1st half inconsistencies on offense, particularly fumbles, also had an affect, but in general if the defense had stepped up a little we wouldn't have been forced into passing so much.

Its crazy people who "watched the games" cant see this, again when your defense is getting gouged for 5 yards a carry.....your going to be passing alot because you dont have enough time left to overcome the hole your in.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The reality isn't that we were losing BECAUSE Dak was passing a lot, we were losing because the defense wasn't holding down the opposing offense, which is what forced the team to pass a lot in an effort to keep pace. I will say some 1st half inconsistencies on offense, particularly fumbles, also had an affect, but in general if the defense had stepped up a little we wouldn't have been forced into passing so much.

EXACTLY.............Yet USArmyPet insists that we are losing because we are passing a lot.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Dallas defense rankings 2016-2020 (Dak's career years)


2016: 5th (points against) 14th (yards allowed)

2017: 13th (points against) 8th (yards allowed)

2018: 6th (points allowed) 7th (yards allowed)

2019: 11th (points allowed) 9th (yards allowed)

2020: 28th (points allowed) 23rd (yards allowed)


Setting the disaster of 2020 aside, Dallas has not exceeded 13th in points allowed and 14th in yards allowed. While some may say that is a big disparity in terms of points allowed in Dak's playoff years (5th and 6th respectively), when you look at the lowest amount of points given up in 2016 (306) and compare it to the most points given up in 2017 (332), there is only a 26 point difference which over 16 games is only 1.625 points/game.

So, while I am not placing all the blame on Dak I am not going to excuse his play and blame the defense when the defense was in fact playing well enough to not be used as the scapegoat.

Facts matter. Thanks for bringing the facts.