A question about the QB

[CowboyRoy]

And why it’s time to place this in its own pinned playground.

There should be a simple rule made:

-Dont try to ruin every thread by trolling hatred about the QB or any other player. They get warnings, benching, then a ban.

Simple as that.

 

[USArmyVet]

Dak certainly carries some responsibility. There’s always contributing factors.

In both of our divisional playoff losses with Dak did you feel our defense was more of a liability or our offense?

Regarding the playoff losses, in 2016 Dallas was down 21-13 at the half which was still a 1 score game. However, the defense allowed a 6-play, 75 yard drive by GB which resulted in a TD and a 28-13 deficit so the defense let the team's chances down dramatically in that moment. That said, Dallas was driving immediately afterwards on their next possession and with 2nd & 1 on the GB 19 Dak threw a costly INT. While GB didn't capitalize on that INT seeing as how Rodgers threw an INT on that drive of his own, the Dak INT did cost Dallas anywhere from 3-8 points in that moment and would ultimately hurt even more seeing as how Dak led Dallas back to a point where it was 31-31 game. As we all know though the defense failed and let Rodgers drive GB 6-play, 43 yard drive culminating in a winning 51-yard FG.


While we can play the "what if" game, the defense failed Dallas in that game and Dak's INT was his one big mistake.

In 2018, the Rams ran all over Dallas to the tune of 2 RB's combining for 238 yards and 3 TD's which was clearly a major defensive failing. That said, heading into that game the Rams had given up a league worst 5.1 yards per carry to opposing offenses while Dallas had given up 3.8 yards per carry. In that game the Rams rushed for 6.1 yards per carry compared to Dallas' 2.3 yards per carry. Ultimately the Rams dared Dak to beat them by focusing on the run and they dared Dallas to stop their running game which Dallas simply couldn't do.

Is that Dak's fault? Not necessarily, but with a 7-6 lead in the 1st half Dallas went on to 4 straight failed drives netting 19 plays for 66 yards (3.47 yards per play) resulting in 4 straight punts. Those failed drives, combined with the defensive being unable to stop the run, provided the Rams a 23-7 lead in the 3rd quarter. During those 4 failed drives Dak' stats: 5 for 12 42% Comp % 39 Yards 1 Sack (during the same drives Zeke stats: 6 Carries 35 Yards 1 Catch 12 Yards) So again while you can't blame Dak for not stopping the Rams rushing attack you can look at his performance during those crucial 4 drives and criticize his poor performance in the passing game while also blaming the offensive game planning.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Regarding the playoff losses, in 2016 Dallas was down 21-13 at the half which was still a 1 score game. However, the defense allowed a 6-play, 75 yard drive by GB which resulted in a TD and a 28-13 deficit so the defense let the team's chances down dramatically in that moment. That said, Dallas was driving immediately afterwards on their next possession and with 2nd & 1 on the GB 19 Dak threw a costly INT. While GB didn't capitalize on that INT seeing as how Rodgers threw an INT on that drive of his own, the Dak INT did cost Dallas anywhere from 3-8 points in that moment and would ultimately hurt even more seeing as how Dak led Dallas back to a point where it was 31-31 game. As we all know though the defense failed and let Rodgers drive GB 6-play, 43 yard drive culminating in a winning 51-yard FG.


While we can play the "what if" game, the defense failed Dallas in that game and Dak's INT was his one big mistake.

In 2018, the Rams ran all over Dallas to the tune of 2 RB's combining for 238 yards and 3 TD's which was clearly a major defensive failing. That said, heading into that game the Rams had given up a league worst 5.1 yards per carry to opposing offenses while Dallas had given up 3.8 yards per carry. In that game the Rams rushed for 6.1 yards per carry compared to Dallas' 2.3 yards per carry. Ultimately the Rams dared Dak to beat them by focusing on the run and they dared Dallas to stop their running game which Dallas simply couldn't do.

Is that Dak's fault? Not necessarily, but with a 7-6 lead in the 1st half Dallas went on to 4 straight failed drives netting 19 plays for 66 yards (3.47 yards per play) resulting in 4 straight punts. Those failed drives, combined with the defensive being unable to stop the run, provided the Rams a 23-7 lead in the 3rd quarter. During those 4 failed drives Dak' stats: 5 for 12 42% Comp % 39 Yards 1 Sack (during the same drives Zeke stats: 6 Carries 35 Yards 1 Catch 12 Yards) So again while you can't blame Dak for not stopping the Rams rushing attack you can look at his performance during those crucial 4 drives and criticize his poor performance in the passing game while also blaming the offensive game planning.

Thats an accurate account, the only thing I would add is, when your defense is giving up 6ypc its going to mess up everything you planned on doing. Both teams came in with the same gameplan the diference was one coach clearly changed everything he usually did and severly out coached the other. Literally our coaching staf blamed it on the cleats...I'm sorry Dak gets the same amount of blame as the rest of the offense for sure, but that game should've been the catalyst to clear a coaching staff. Never in my life have I seen a coaching staff fail to adjust as many times as that one did. Just think of how many times during his tenor you screamed at the TV for him to not keep doing what was getting us killed.

 

[Rockport]

Its crazy people who "watched the games" cant see this, again when your defense is getting gouged for 5 yards a carry.....your going to be passing alot because you dont have enough time left to overcome the hole your in.

The haters are either too ignorant to get it or just choose to ignore it.

 

[USArmyVet]

I’d agree with most. Unfortunately with our dysfunctional ownership this is the cards we have been dealt. How do you suggest we make the most of it?

Sadly I do not think there is much to make of it from a fan perspective as JJ & Co. have taken the same approach for years and show no signs of changing their approach.

 

[Brax]

Oh, I don't agree, he's entertaining and as welcome to his opinion as any of us.

Could the CZ set a pay per view cage match between rockport and pappy what draw that would be,talk about great entertainment .

 

[USArmyVet]

You said we lose because Dak is passing a lot. Cowboys were average 370 yards passing a game and 37 points per game before Dak went down. #1 in NFL history!!!

And if your conclusion is we lose because Dak is averaging those stats, then just delete your account. Our losing has little to do with Dak or the offense as a whole and everything to do with the defense. Very basic analysis you seem completely deft at figuring out.

What I said was the offensive approach that sees Dak passing a lot does not equate to team success. While you can point to 2020 to somehow say Dak was performing amazingly and led Dallas to the #1 passing attack, your earlier argument that Dallas had no defense which forced Dak to pass negates your bringing up 2020 as an example seeing as how in 3 of the 4 full games Dak played saw Dallas so far behind that they were forced to throw thereby inflating Dak's stats.
However, I referenced an earlier season which saw Dallas go 1-6 where Dak passed for 40+ times a game: a formula that speaks to the failed offensive game plan that says Dak passing a lot does not equate to Dallas success.

 

[Brax]

I am only interested in how perceptions about the QB have changed and what might have caused that. Mainly, because my perceptions were changed about him. I did not give him much of a chance to make it in the NFL.

I liked him in 2016 as he deserved the right to play out the season even though he didn’t play great towards the end. 2017 wasn’t so banner and his warts showed and it carried over into 2018. I just don’t believe he is a championship type QB and hasn’t shown it at any level yet. I think he is a good QB who needs to much support to be successful

 

[USArmyVet]

There should be a simple rule made:

-Dont try to ruin every thread by trolling hatred about the QB or any other player. They get warnings, benching, then a ban.

Simple as that.

So in your mind anyone that criticizes Dak or any Dallas player should get penalized? I see you are a strong anti-1A advocate. I hope in your town they do not fine you or throw you in jail if you dare criticize your local police or elected officials as that is essence what you are supporting here by your comment.

 

[acr731]

EXACTLY.............Yet USArmyPet insists that we are losing because we are passing a lot.

This is a list of the # of games the Dallas defense gave up 25 points or less since 2016, Dak's rookie season. Some have claimed its hard for Dak to win with a defense consistently giving up 30 points a game, which is why Dak keeps getting a pass for 'terrible defense'. The defense hasn't been great, but it hasn't been as bad as Dak's homers claim it has been, and here is a bit more proof. They're clearly not giving up 30 points or more on a regular basis:

2016 - Defense gave up 25 or less in 13 games
2017 - 9 games
2018 - 14 games
2019 - 11 games
2020 - 7 games

Soooooo, there are 54 out of 80 games where the high powered Dak offense may not have been able to put up a minimum of 25 points a game. 26 points isn't a whole lot to ask of a QB who is considered to be elite by his most ardent followers. I can go back and look at how many of these games Dak ended up losing if you want. My whole point is that each and every loss can't be blamed totally on the defense. But if this is what fits yours and Rockport's narrative, then so be it. You have made it very obvious that no one is going to convince you otherwise.

 

[Diehardblues]

Its crazy people who "watched the games" cant see this, again when your defense is getting gouged for 5 yards a carry.....your going to be passing alot because you dont have enough time left to overcome the hole your in.

We can only assume they didn’t watch the games which surprisingly all fans don’t watch all of the games or it’s agenda driven.

 

[acr731]

There should be a simple rule made:

-Dont try to ruin every thread by trolling hatred about the QB or any other player. They get warnings, benching, then a ban.

Simple as that.

Criticizing Dak is bad..... results in ban even though its within the site rules.

Calling other members names or making other derogatory comments is allowed, even though it violates site rules.


Makes perfect sense. Am I getting this right?

 

[CowboyFrog]

I liked him in 2016 as he deserved the right to play out the season even though he didn’t play great towards the end. 2017 wasn’t so banner and his warts showed and it carried over into 2018. I just don’t believe he is a championship type QB and hasn’t shown it at any level yet. I think he is a good QB who needs to much support to be successful

I think thats one of the biggest arguments on the board Brax, can a QB actually lift a mediocre team to a championship.....I still say it has never happened, I have seen great teams lift an average QB, but never a great QB lift an average team. nThe other is how much do you pay a good QB in todays NFL..there is probably no correct answer as it is 32 teams fighting over 15 good QB's.

 

[OmerV]

Its crazy people who "watched the games" cant see this, again when your defense is getting gouged for 5 yards a carry.....your going to be passing alot because you dont have enough time left to overcome the hole your in.

I suspect it's more that people choose not to see it because it doesn't fit their preferred narrative.

 

[USArmyVet]

EXACTLY.............Yet USArmyPet insists that we are losing because we are passing a lot.

The fact you continue to resort to name calling and insulting veterans speaks volumes as to your immaturity and lack of respect. Funny how you preach benching/banning people for 'trolling' on Dallas players yet you are more than fine with violating your own suggestion when it comes to this groups members. I hope Admins take notice of your continued insults.

 

[quickccc]

Yes, I know, another Dak Prescott thread but this one isn't really about him, it's about your perception of him as the DC QB.

Has your perception changed and why?

I am one of the few that watched him throughout his days at Miss St from being the starter as a junior, because I watch a lot of SEC, and his story connected with me as I had lost the person closest to me to the same monster.

He got on the Heisman watch because of his legs and the better defenses in the SEC took that away from him his senior season and forced him into more of a pocket QB. He did not look comfortable to me.

He got picked in the 4th, about where I thought he should go because accuracy on a consistent basis was not his game.

I was aware of how he got his HS and college starting jobs in the same manner but also intrigued as to why the starter couldn't take the job back. Little did I know this 4th rounder, longshot to not be on the PS to start the season, was to repeat what he did with Dallas as he did in HS and college.

I am not in either of the extreme camps regarding him, I am somewhere in the middle but I used to think just as Aikman did, you can't fix accuracy and he hasn't to the point of being Brady or Rodgers but he most definitely has improved in that area. He will still make those errant throws but what QB doesn't?

I am just interested to see how many are in that camp with me? Because that QB that started 2020 didn't even resemble that QB I watched at Miss St. Not even remotely.

I have seen this man work on his game and improve every season and I am intrigued as to where is his ceiling? How good can he be?

BTW, this isn't about how much he's being paid because I don't care about that. They had few options to signing him and this is just about how has your perception of him and his talent changed since he became a Cowboy.

Oh Yes, this thread is indeed another Da Prescott threat … Why try to flabbergas around it ?

And what be the subject of another Dak thread this time that will be any different vs others ?

And we all know he is mean to be to the Cowboys organization, and how he had to do to arrive to be where he is today. Including surpassing another QB legendary and sending him into permanent retirement to becoming one of the more prolific NFL passers in 2019.

Pick your poison among fans and posters if they like him or not ,.based off WHY they like him ..or not.
as Dr. Dre would say ... " Til da next Episode "

 

[Diehardblues]

I suspect it's more that people choose not to see it because it doesn't fit their preferred narrative.

bingo!!!

 

[TwoCentPlain]

The haters are either too ignorant to get it or just choose to ignore it.

You, as one of the biggest haters here, maybe should do some personal reflection as to why you are ‘too ignorant to get it or just choose to ignore it.’ Should be fun.

 

[Diehardblues]

Oh Yes, this thread is indeed another Da Prescott threat … Why try to flabbergas around it ?

And what be the subject of another Dak thread this time that will be any different vs others ?

And we all know he is mean to be to the Cowboys organization, and how he had to do to arrive to be where he is today. Including surpassing another QB legendary and sending him into permanent retirement to becoming one of the more prolific NFL passers in 2019.

Pick your poison among fans and posters if they like him or not ,.based off WHY they like him ..or not.
as Dr. Dre would say ... " Til da next Episode "

Coach tried to create a normal discussion about our QB. But it’s another example how it attracts the extremes on both sides and why unfortunately a separate playground is needed.

Only those who continue this extreme agenda with our QB are against it.

 

[Diehardblues]

The fact you continue to resort to name calling and insulting veterans speaks volumes as to your immaturity and lack of respect. Funny how you preach benching/banning people for 'trolling' on Dallas players yet you are more than fine with violating your own suggestion when it comes to this groups members. I hope Admins take notice of your continued insults.

It’s just illustrates how much a separate playground is needed. All of these Dak threads are bottomless pit dead ends with multiple rule violations on both sides. It’s just a matter of time until is locked up as they all need to be.