A thought for you Jerry bashers...

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BigDFan5;1876064 said:
Sorry his success is also Jerrys success they won together and putting your head in the sand any denying it makes you look silly. You are trying to convince us how domineering and arrogant and controlling Jerry is all the while also trying to convince us that he had nothing to do with the teams in the early 90s that he was basically a puppet of Jimmy.

See how silly you sound right now?

Were you around in the early 90's? Jerry was a businessman, an oilman. The team was in poor financial condition and poor shape on the field.
He knew nothing about running an NFL team. He hired his former college teammate, Jimmy Johnson and let him bring in his staff.

During the early years Jerry was getting the team in shape financially while Jimmy and the scouting dept. were building the team. After 5 years and two SB trophies, Jerry had already revived the business side of the organization and obviously thought he'd learned enough about the sports side that when Jimmy left he decided he would run things along with his buddy Lacewell.

That is why you see him take total charge in the mid to late '90's and not from day one. He had five years to watch and "learn". Even though he proved over the years to be a very slow learner.

Funny how you say I sound silly, when you want everyone to believe that an oilman came in and with no experience in football, other than playing in the 1960's built a team into back to back SB champions by his great personnel expertise. Now that's funny.
 

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Bach;1876102 said:
Were you around in the early 90's? Jerry was a businessman, an oilman. The team was in poor financial condition and poor shape on the field.

Yes I was were you? If so then you remember all the Jerry meddling with Jimmy talk started in 1989 remember?
He knew nothing about running an NFL team. He hired his former college teammate, Jimmy Johnson and let him bring in his staff.

Ji8mmy knew nothing of running an NFL team either
During the early years Jerry was getting the team in shape financially while Jimmy and the scouting dept. were building the team. After 5 years and two SB trophies, Jerry had already revived the business side of the organization and obviously thought he'd learned enough about the sports side that when Jimmy left he decided he would run things along with his buddy Lacewell.

Tis my friends is called making **** up

That is why you see him take total charge in the mid to late '90's and not from day one. He had five years to watch and "learn". Even though he proved over the years to be a very slow learner.

Another case of making **** up.

Funny how you say I sound silly, when you want everyone to believe that an oilman came in and with no experience in football, other than playing in the 1960's built a team into back to back SB champions by his great personnel expertise. Now that's funny.

and you want us to believe that a college coach with no NFL or executive experience came in and was given complete control of a franchise by a self made billionaire. and that coach went on to make the walker trade etc etc without any input whatsoever from the owner who is classed as contolling, egotistical, and domineering.

Now whats more funny? The fact that I give everyone involved credit or that you have to make **** up to try and discredit one person?
 

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BigDFan5;1876035 said:
Hilarious

While trying to make it seem zrin is not giving any credit to jimmy, you in the same post give no credit to jerry. If you believe jerry was not involved in his football teams decisions at all when Jimmy is here you are more ignorant than some of your recent posts suggest

Jimmy handled personnel and Jerry signed the checks and handled the business end of marketing the Cowboys in a way that reinvented the NFL. Jerry is responsible for making more money for the owners than they could have ever dreamed. It was a combination that worked and saved this franchise.

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sharedc...lassic/recordbook/draft/1989/042489draft.html

Johnson displays new skill at trade
His first draft nets Cowboys a bonus pick
4/24/1989
By BERNIE MIKLASZ / The Dallas Morning News

As an encore to his selection of quarterback Troy Aikman with the first pick in the NFL draft Sunday, first-year Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson locked himself into a tense trading duel with Raiders owner Al Davis, the Darth Vader of the NFL.

The Cowboys were sitting with the first pick in the second round when Davis called. Davis, drafting 11th in the second round, badly wanted Penn State guard Steve Wisniewski and feared another team would snatch him.
Davis, the man in black and winner of three Super Bowls, was eager to make a deal with the rookie NFL coach.

"He said, 'Jimmy, this is the first time we've dealt with one another, and it will be a good experience,'" Johnson said. "I said 'Al, this is my first time, so I need an extra pick.'"

The haggling went on for five minutes. Davis agreed to give the Cowboys his No. 2 and an additional third-rounder, but Johnson wanted more and asked for a No. 5. Davis had three selections in the fifth round and was trying to sell Johnson the worst one.

Johnson had four other interested teams hanging on the line and used them as leverage against Davis. "I kept telling Al he needed to help a rookie out," Johnson said. "We talked three different times and took it down to the final seconds."

Davis finally relented and gave Johnson the Raiders' first pick in the fifth round – the seventh.

Johnson had swung his first NFL trade. On his terms.
The Cowboys drafted Wisniewski for the Raiders and then swapped him and the Cowboys' sixth-round choice to Davis for picks in the second, third and fifth rounds.

For moving down 10 spots in the second round and tossing in an extra No. 6, Johnson wound up with two picks in the third instead of one and three in the fifth instead of two. And in the second round he got the player he wanted – Syracuse fullback Daryl Johnston, a strong inside runner who can serve as a punishing, 237-pound blocker for Herschel Walker.

With the first pick in the third round, Johnson drafted Pitt offensive lineman Mark Stepnoski, a 6-2, 269-pound right guard who may have a future at center with the Cowboys.

"This is an extremely tough individual," Cowboys line coach Tony Wise said. "This guy will hit you right in the mouth."

Finally, it was to the defense and some necessary patches for the Cowboys' front four. With the Raiders' third-round pick, Johnson went for 275-pound Florida defensive lineman Rhondy Weston. With the first choice in the fourth, Johnson recruited a lean pass-rusher from UT-El Paso – 6-6, 245-pound Tony Tolbert.

Weston appears to be a bargain. Some rated him a second-round talent, and he is capable of playing inside or at either end. "We were really surprised that he was there," Johnson said.

Tolbert, an outside linebacker who had 11 sacks last season, will be converted to defensive end. Johnson has 4.7-second speed in the 40-yard dash. "We were attracted to him for his pass-rush ability," Johnson said.
With the Cowboys' defense 25th in points allowed last season, it was surprising that their first three selections were on offense: a quarterback, a fullback and a guard.

"I told the offense they'd better score a lot of points," Cowboys defensive line coach Butch Davis said in jest.

Johnson said he resisted the temptation to reach for a lower-rated defensive prospect in the second round. The defensive ends he liked – Trace Armstrong and Bill Hawkins – had been drafted.

So Johnson went for the sure thing, a fullback who figures to start immediately. Veteran Timmy Newsome, 31, averaged only 2.3 yards per carry last season, suffered a calf injury and is considered a below-average blocker.
"We felt fullback was one of the major needs coming in," offensive coordinator Dave Shula said. "We have some age there, and we need to upgrade that position."

Johnston averaged five yards per carry as a senior. The Cowboys were concerned that Walker, with 361 carries, was overworked last season. "He'll take some of the pressure off Herschel," running backs coach Joe Brodsky said.

For the third round, the Cowboys again had their eye on a pass-rusher – Auburn's Brian Smith – who was drafted in the second round.

So Johnson turned to Stepnoski, who can start at a number of places. Center Tom Rafferty is 35, right guard Crawford Ker is unsigned, and left guard Nate Newton weighs 358 pounds. Overall, line depth is weak.

The Cowboys used the first of their three fifth-round picks on Clemson tight end Keith Jennings, a converted wide receiver.

The second selection of the fifth – the one that came in the Raiders' trade – brought Georgia Tech outside linebacker Willis Crockett.

The Cowboys took Florida defensive tackle Jeff Roth with the fifth-round choice they received from Denver last June in exchange for Tony Dorsett, their all-time leading rusher.

The draft resumes Monday morning with the sixth round. The Cowboys' first-day haul: three defensive linemen, a quarterback, a fullback, a guard, a tight end and a linebacker. And this clearly was Johnson's production. He and his staff personally scouted, coached in all-star games or coached against every player the Cowboys drafted.

After the fourth round, ESPN draft analyst Paul Zimmerman declared the Cowboys' draft the best in the NFL to that point.

But the trade really made Johnson's day. He took on Al Davis and held out for a good price.

"I feel very good about what we've done," Johnson said. "I don't know if I could be any happier with this draft."
 

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fine. but the basic crutch of the point is, they did it together.

jones bashers want to say he meddles and can never get it right.
yet if he meddles, then he must have been involved in the 3 superbowls we did win, right?
but no, that was jimmy keeping the meddling at bay.

so mr always meddles had a time where he didn't meddle and jimmy did it all. yet when jimmy was on his own, he failed miserably with a team he himself said on the air should win the superbowl in what turned out to be shulas last year.

like i said - they were a team that worked too well together. neither has done it again on their own. that alone should be telling but instead we have a handful who refuse to give jones credit, so it's singular credit for a team accomplishment, or nothing at all.

people sure can muster up hate for someone they've never met personally.
 

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Bach;1876144 said:
C'mon Dodger, don't confuse 'em with facts.

you'd not know a fact if it crawled up on you and say HEY YOU! I'M A FACT!!!

you'd still argue.

"the hatred in this one run deep, obi wan..."
 

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zrinkill;1875927 said:
You called it ..... I cannot believe that someone is so bitter they cannot enjoy the kind of season we are having.
Gosh Zrin, you are such a freakin homer......:)
 

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Dodger12;1876131 said:
Jimmy handled personnel and Jerry signed the checks and handled the business end of marketing the Cowboys in a way that reinvented the NFL. Jerry is responsible for making more money for the owners than they could have ever dreamed. It was a combination that worked and saved this franchise.

Your article doesnt back up what you are saying. Who made the Minnesota trade
 

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Dodger12;1876131 said:
Jimmy handled personnel and Jerry signed the checks and handled the business end of marketing the Cowboys in a way that reinvented the NFL. Jerry is responsible for making more money for the owners than they could have ever dreamed. It was a combination that worked and saved this franchise.

So we are supposed to believe that a College coach who never made any large financial deals with players is the one who pulled off the biggest and most expensive NFL trade of all time (up to that point) over a guy who pulled off big money deals on a daily basis ....


right.
 

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iceberg;1876155 said:
you'd not know a fact if it crawled up on you and say HEY YOU! I'M A FACT!!!

you'd still argue.

This coming from you is hilarious.
 

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Bach;1876208 said:
This coming from you is hilarious.

i'm sure, to you, it is. i'm sure, to you, most common sense is hilarious. : )

jimmy and jerry did together what so far neither has done alone.

you wanna get anal and worship one to hate the other, have at it.
 

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iceberg;1876212 said:
i'm sure, to you, it is. i'm sure, to you, most common sense is hilarious. : )

jimmy and jerry did together what so far neither has done alone.

you wanna get anal and worship one to hate the other, have at it.

I don't hate Jerry. He's probably fun guy to watch a game with.

I'm just not going to ******* him like you guys do.
 

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Bach;1876220 said:
I don't hate Jerry. He's probably fun guy to watch a game with.

I'm just not going to ******* him like you guys do.

ok, you wanna keep at it - show me where ANY OF US have *******d jones. we give him the credit we feel he deserves. we wonder why some people are so full of hate they write off his contributions as 'writing the checks' vs. being an active participant in 3 superbowls.

'writing the checks' isn't that easy and requires a lot of backend work as well.

AS A TEAM jimmy and jerry did a lot of great things. you want to for some reason, minimize jones work. i don't get it.

you say "what has jerry done for us lately" - blowing off him building a 13-3 team but you hang onto what johnson did 10+ years ago.

you mix scenarios to fix your mindset and wonder why people think that's odd.

when called upon it, you push it out to us fellating jones - of which no one has done. why must it be so extreme?
 

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Bach;1876220 said:
I don't hate Jerry. He's probably fun guy to watch a game with.

I'm just not going to ******* him like you guys do.
:laugh2:
 

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Just giving credit where credit is due.

No one ever said it was 100% Jimmy, all by himself.
But to act like it was something like 50-50 is preposterous too.
 

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Bach;1876242 said:
Just giving credit where credit is due.

No one ever said it was 100% Jimmy, all by himself.
But to act like it was something like 50-50 is preposterous too.

how much did you whine when jimmy left? that whole scenario is because 2 egos were after indivual credit. we lost out on a lot because of that.

some of us got over it.

some of realize both grown men were acting the fool.

some of us carried forward a lesson that it was a team that won, not an individual.

some of us, apparantely, do not and keep going back to the core problem you likely didn't like at the time and still hold to it.
 

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Bach;1876242 said:
Just giving credit where credit is due.

No one ever said it was 100% Jimmy, all by himself.
But to act like it was something like 50-50 is preposterous too.
And what percentage would you suggest it was with your knowledge of all the inner workings of the Cowboys organization?
 
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