A Touch Of Hostility, Last Night's Game

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It's really hard for me to give a damn about yesterday's game given the gut wrenching news I got yesterday and had to share with you all. But this forum is about football and Pops would want me to focus on that more than my own selfish feelings.

My first observation is that teams are going to struggle a little bit on kick returns until they figure out how not to make a wedge. Both teams looked a little uneasy last night and there were a couple of flags thrown.

A couple? Okay so there were a lot of flags thrown on both teams. Too dang many. I was encouraged however that none of them were on our O-line for illegal procedure. Not sure how many of you noticed that. We had a couple for holding and some illegal formation or two men moving, but the O-line didn't jump. Maybe the little tradition of taking someone out when they do it is working.

Sticking with the O-line since I feel that is where success is critical. I want to talk about 3 backups quickly. I felt all of them did a pretty good job. The only sack was really when Choice missed a blitz pickup. Montrae Holland flat out looked good to me. I was really impressed actually. I watched a couple of times and guys legs were buckled as he was pushing them back. A good sign. Doug Free looked every bit as solid as I had heard. He is stiff legged though when he pushes to the outside. A speed rusher will give him some fits until he learns to drive better. I actually thought Cory Proctor did okay at backup center except for the snap over Kitna's head.

Bottom line on the O-line. I thought the starters and the backups were the most encouraging part of last night's game.

Which is a good segue to most discouraging part. Some will say the score but I don't give two hoots in hell about that. Others will say the entire cabal of backups. Actually for me it was how the Raiders exploited the over agressive nature of our rookie LBs. They're going to need to learn that charging the QB means they are leaving a zone unprotected or sparsely protected and opening the Defense up to gettign beat. It happened all last night. Someone left a spot, got picked up and the play went right there.

Encouraging things.

I saw screen plays and they looked good. Especially when Felix gets the ball.

Maybe, just maybe the Bobby Carpenter whining will quiet down. Probably not because too many people will not realize he looked damned good last night despite playing with 2 guys who were overplaying everything.

Bennett uses his body like Tony Gonzalez. He is going to be tough to handle.

Tony and Roy chemistry? Forget your worries, it's there. Even though it was only one play, watch the timing it required. That was a fine line and the ball was traveling before the break.

McBriar is back and the punts are booming.

Speaking of booming Sensabaugh got in the best lick of the night and looked good.


Discouraging things.

The young DBs looked lost. They played timid and reactionary. Maybe it was nerves from the first time on the field. I hope that's all it is.

I didn't see anything from the backup DL remotely close to the aggression I saw from Igor and Rat in particular. They need to step it up. I still am not convinced Siavii is the answer at backup NT. I'm not sure Dixon even played and I wanted to see him. I might have been too busy watching the young LBs play overly aggressive and get burned for it.

The only WR who looked ready was Hurd.

That's my touch of Hostility for this game. I wasn't totally discouraged by the effort or the performance, but I do think errors casued us to leave a lot of points on the field and give up way too many. Though one is a questionable penalty of 45 yards on Sensabaugh. There are things to improve for sure. Luckily there is also time.

No over reactionary predictions of cuts from me. There's a time and a place for that and it's too soon.
 

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What was that quote from Parcells? Something like, "soon it'll be like I was never here."
 

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Bach;2884045 said:
What was that quote from Parcells? Something like, "soon it'll be like I was never here."
Care to expound? If you mean penalties, we had a whole bunch while Parcells was here.
 

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I agree with just about everything. Only slightly disagree with Carpenter. He looks better out there, mostly because he wasn't getting mauled by oncoming blockers, but I don't think he played great. Just a solid, encouraging performance.

I'm not all that disappointed in the team's performance. Some rust going on there. Some things showed up for a team that hasn't been tackling in training camp. There are some concerns, but other than that I'm fine with last night's game.




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Im not too overly concerned. For the most part the starting offense really clicked. Felix is going to be huge for us this season, his speed creates matchup problems all over the field. Same goes for Bennett, he and Witten together are really going to be a force that few teams will be able to deal with.

Igor looked like a rock out there, really going to help our run defense. I believe he ends up giving us more passrush than Canty too. Sensabaugh? HUGE addition, his pass coverage is crucial to our success this season. Immediate upgrade over Roy.

Really liked what I saw in Both Free and Holland, pretty solid there imo, Proctor??? If it were me I'd maybe look for an older vet thats solid on cutdown day. Someone who is cut because he is in the way of a young center yet can still handle the job.

Siavi....NO WAY is he the answer. Never thought he was either. THIS needs to be addressed ASAP. No need for an allstar to be brought in either, just a capable player who can hold the point in the run game and give Ratliff a blow from time to time. Ive had my on the chiefs for awhile now...They have TWO players that I think could fill our needs for a season till we can draft someone. Tank Tyler or Ron Johnson. Think either one could be had for a modest draft pick with Johnson being the one the chiefs would be most likely to trade.

Backup center......Backup Nose tackle. Those are the only two positions that need to be filled with the priority being backup nose tackle. Luckily both are easily filled. Other than that.........WERE IN GREAT SHAPE~!
 

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I agree with most of what you said, Hos. The rookies all need some work, but that's why they're rookies. I wasn't a fan of the mental mistakes but the line showed more dicipline but yeah, Carpenter seemed to be around the plays but not really making any and I definitely saw him get mauled a few times and pushed back out of the direction of the play.
 

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Back up DBs looked bad, especially Brown and Mickens. On the other hand, I thought Ball did pretty well.

I loved the hit by Sensabaugh. I look forward to seeing him play in a real game.
 

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Boyzmamacita;2884052 said:
Care to expound? If you mean penalties, we had a whole bunch while Parcells was here.

ethiostar;2884057 said:
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What does that mean?

I mean BP took us from 5-11 days to respectability and playoff contenders. You know, moving upward.

Now, not so much.
 

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Kitna and Procter were struggling with the snap almost every down. I'm curious whether Romo and Procter have practiced any and experienced the same miscues. If so, Procter's the problem. Should Gurode remain healthy, it's a non-issue this season, but if he should miss some time, it's a concern.
 

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Marcus Dixon played a few series really late in the game Hos, I remember seeing him next to Tim Anderson
 

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Bach;2884061 said:
I mean BP took us from 5-11 days to respectability and playoff contenders. You know, moving upward.

Now, not so much.

Playoff contenders win playoff games. Parcells didn't do that here. 10-6, 6-10, 9-7, 9-7.

I'm not seeing how this is 'like he was never here'. Hell if anything it's just the same.
 

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I still am not convinced Siavii is the answer at backup NT.

and maybe this is one of the reasons why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJQwFHN94H0


Go to the 1:46 mark and check out what happened to #78. Not only did he get completely killed on that play, he allowed his assignment, which is to tie up the C and G, get to the second level, in this case it was J.Williams, and completely destroy him while McFadden ran wild.

The rest of the night, I noticed that Tim Anderson was at least tying up two people.
 

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Bach;2884061 said:
I mean BP took us from 5-11 days to respectability and playoff contenders. You know, moving upward.

Now, not so much.

Bach, out of curiosity, what exactly did we accomplish under Bill Parcells that we haven't done since he left.

Bill Parcells did alot of great things for us but I don't think you can blame alot of negatives after we left on Jerry Jones (well maybe Dan Reeves).

Our lack of success has very little to do with Jerry Jones and alot to do with Wade Phillips.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2884072 said:
Our lack of success has very little to do with Jerry Jones and alot to do with Wade Phillips.

Assuming that's true, then isn't Jerry responsible since he hired Wade Phillips?
 

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One thing about preseason games that folks tend to forget. You have to put it in context. Did quite a few of the backups look bad? Sure they did, but they were playing alongside other backups and rookies. Its not like were ever gonna lose all 22 starters at one time...LOL Put it this way........Losing Spears and having to install Hatcher in his spot to play alongside the rest of the starters is a WHOLE LOT different than having Hatcher play alongside other backups and rookies. A whole lot different. Mistakes are all magnified in a situation like that whereas if he were playing alongside other starters a MISTAKE may well be quickly covered by another starter.
 

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Kilyin;2884075 said:
Assuming that's true, then isn't Jerry responsible since he hired Wade Phillips?

Everytime this comes up, I always ask, "Who was a better option then Wade Phillips at the time he was hired"?

I just don't think you can blame Jerry Jones for 2007 or 2008.

He has put more than enough talent on the field for Wade Phillips to be successful.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2884072 said:
Bach, out of curiosity, what exactly did we accomplish under Bill Parcells that we haven't done since he left.

Bill Parcells did alot of great things for us but I don't think you can blame alot of negatives after we left on Jerry Jones (well maybe Dan Reeves).

Our lack of success has very little to do with Jerry Jones and alot to do with Wade Phillips.

Parcells built it up. You'd have a hard time convincing me that Wade and Jerry could've taken that Campo mess of 5-11 seasons and made us playoff contenders over night like BP did.

I'm not saying BP was the end-all-be-all. But he got us to the playoffs after being mired in the basement. I dont' see us trending up now. In fact the opposite is true.
 

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Hostile;2884036 said:
It's really hard for me to give a damn about yesterday's game given the gut wrenching news I got yesterday and had to share with you all. But this forum is about football and Pops would want me to focus on that more than my own selfish feelings.

My first observation is that teams are going to struggle a little bit on kick returns until they figure out how not to make a wedge. Both teams looked a little uneasy last night and there were a couple of flags thrown.

A couple? Okay so there were a lot of flags thrown on both teams. Too dang many. I was encouraged however that none of them were on our O-line for illegal procedure. Not sure how many of you noticed that. We had a couple for holding and some illegal formation or two men moving, but the O-line didn't jump. Maybe the little tradition of taking someone out when they do it is working.

Sticking with the O-line since I feel that is where success is critical. I want to talk about 3 backups quickly. I felt all of them did a pretty good job. The only sack was really when Choice missed a blitz pickup. Montrae Holland flat out looked good to me. I was really impressed actually. I watched a couple of times and guys legs were buckled as he was pushing them back. A good sign. Doug Free looked every bit as solid as I had heard. He is stiff legged though when he pushes to the outside. A speed rusher will give him some fits until he learns to drive better. I actually thought Cory Proctor did okay at backup center except for the snap over Kitna's head.

Bottom line on the O-line. I thought the starters and the backups were the most encouraging part of last night's game.

Which is a good segue to most discouraging part. Some will say the score but I don't give two hoots in hell about that. Others will say the entire cabal of backups. Actually for me it was how the Raiders exploited the over agressive nature of our rookie LBs. They're going to need to learn that charging the QB means they are leaving a zone unprotected or sparsely protected and opening the Defense up to gettign beat. It happened all last night. Someone left a spot, got picked up and the play went right there.

Encouraging things.

I saw screen plays and they looked good. Especially when Felix gets the ball.

Maybe, just maybe the Bobby Carpenter whining will quiet down. Probably not because too many people will not realize he looked damned good last night despite playing with 2 guys who were overplaying everything.

Bennett uses his body like Tony Gonzalez. He is going to be tough to handle.

Tony and Roy chemistry? Forget your worries, it's there. Even though it was only one play, watch the timing it required. That was a fine line and the ball was traveling before the break.

McBriar is back and the punts are booming.

Speaking of booming Sensabaugh got in the best lick of the night and looked good.


Discouraging things.

The young DBs looked lost. They played timid and reactionary. Maybe it was nerves from the first time on the field. I hope that's all it is.

I didn't see anything from the backup DL remotely close to the aggression I saw from Igor and Rat in particular. They need to step it up. I still am not convinced Siavii is the answer at backup NT. I'm not sure Dixon even played and I wanted to see him. I might have been too busy watching the young LBs play overly aggressive and get burned for it.

The only WR who looked ready was Hurd.

That's my touch of Hostility for this game. I wasn't totally discouraged by the effort or the performance, but I do think errors casued us to leave a lot of points on the field and give up way too many. Though one is a questionable penalty of 45 yards on Sensabaugh. There are things to improve for sure. Luckily there is also time.

No over reactionary predictions of cuts from me. There's a time and a place for that and it's too soon.

Outstanding post! Pops would be proud.
 

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Bach;2884086 said:
Parcells built it up. You'd have a hard time convincing me that Wade and Jerry could've taken that Campo mess of 5-11 seasons and made us playoff contenders over night like BP did.

I'm not saying BP was the end-all-be-all. But he got us to the playoffs after being mired in the basement. I dont' see us trending up now. In fact the opposite is undetermined.
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