A Touch Of Hostility, Last Night's Game

[CATCH17]

IMO we got out coached. Antonio Pierce seemed like he knew what we wanted to do in the passing game all night. That was a great audible by him on that first pick.


We got out coached plain and simple.

I have two positives though that are huge.

1. The offensive line played outstanding.
2. The D line played pretty darn good as well.
We can win a lot of games with those two units playing like that. We just need to shore up the little things and decide what kind of football team we want to be.

I't not like we we're we going undefeated. We lost a game we we're in until the last minutes against a darn good football team. The most positive thing about this IMO is that it's only September....if this team really has what it takes it will learn and grow from this loss, and hopefully be good in December.

I wish that were the reason we lost.

Our coaches clearly put our players in a position for success. Clearly.

We should have easily won this game no problem. But the players found a way to lose.

Especially Romo, Felix, and Scandrick.

 

[Hostile]

It might also be time to admit that the Giants receivers aren't nearly as poor as some people around here believe. They make plays. They come up in the clutch. Our highly paid starters manage only two catches against a beaten up secondary. Our secondary is completely healthy and get schooled all night long in clutch situations.

Right now, I think they are the best WR corps in the NFC East. I'll give credit where it is due.

That is a primary reason why this game was lost. No takeaways. The sacks are not a concern to me, we got plenty last season and still found a way to lose nine games. The lack of turnovers that is carrying over from last season is a huge issue. Either we have perhaps the most uninstinctual secondary in the entire league or we have a scheme issue. It is probably both.

Seven, but I do get your point. I really dislike Campo and more than ever wish we had gone after Dennis Thurman. Please tell me why we did not go after him when he clearly wanted to come home.

It is irrelevant what he says anymore. Indifferent or accepting blame, it doesn't matter anymore. All accepting blame does is make people feel better. The errors have to stop. It is just that simple.

I don't think his teammates will react one way or another to it. It is beyond the point of "rallying" behind him and his continued mistakes. Either they find a way to cope with them or they don't, but it is obvious he hasn't changed a bit. The errors still continue to manifest themselves and we are unable to cope with the effects of them.

No team truly copes with turnovers. I still want the guy at the rudder. I understand those who don't, but being a guy who is caught up in NFL History I just don't see the reason for the widespread panic. There is clearly incredible ability within the guy. Denying that is just blindness because of bitterness.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

I wish that were the reason we lost.

Our coaches clearly put our players in a position for success. Clearly.

We should have easily won this game no problem. But the players found a way to lose.

Especially Romo, Felix, and Scandrick.

Clearly????

So when you are averaging 9ypc running the ball yet you still call for 29 passes WITH THE LEAD AND THE BALL, that is good coaching???? That is typical Garrett BS! Let's not take what the defense is giving us... let's force what I want! Disagree with you totally on that one...

 

[casmith07]

Really?

Who wrote this?

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2919605&postcount=1




You are such a little dandelion blowing in the wind its not even funny.


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owned like a domesticated animal :laugh2:

 

[Aven8]

I wish that were the reason we lost.

Our coaches clearly put our players in a position for success. Clearly.

We should have easily won this game no problem. But the players found a way to lose.

Especially Romo, Felix, and Scandrick.

Did we watch the same game? I'm not giving excuses for the players, but the 1st pick by Tony was an audible by Apierce. He did it again later and sprinted to where we threw it and stopped the 1st down. Then later they had Phillips 25yds deep. For what?? They knew. I would trade coaching staffs in a second!

 

[cowboyjoe]

I don't have much good to say. Let's start with some painful facts.


I have never seen a game like that in my life. How do we turn the ball over 4 times, get no takeaways ourselves, and still only lose by 2 points? I've seen games with teams getting a lucky bounce, but 3 of them? The INT off Witten's shoe, the Manningham TD, and then the batted ball still caught on the final drive. We were not meant to win that game for whatever reason.

I will give you that, was a weird game. Seemed like a battle was going on mentally and spiritually as well. How else could you explain the 3 bounces and none for cowboys. How can you explain the awful game Newman had.

Barber's quad injury is my biggest concern. I do think Choice will once again fill in nicely, but I hate injuries and the way he went down makes me think it's bad.

Totally agree on that, hope its not too bad. I am sure that you saw on one play where felix busted through, and usually you dont catch him, but felix's quad is still bothering him too.

Have you ever seen expert fans turn on a player faster than Orlando Scandrick? One bad game by the kid and he goes from fan favorite and Oscan, to he can't play. In truth it was an awful game by the entire secondary and the pass rush isn't helping them at all. 2 games, no sacks, no takeaways. Not good enough by a long shot..

This is where I disagree with you, but in a different way. I dont blame scandrick, but this switching back and forth for a starting cb is silly and stupid. The cb cant get in a groove. Next, I have a thought of what you will say to this, but when you dont tackle in practice or training camp, how can you expect scandrick to tackle the correct way. I blame that on wade, just like the first game, we had a bad run defense. I think you will agree with that, even wade said, oh, its probably my mistake because i didnt work the players on blitz packages enough. Well, go take a look at the jets defense, ryan is a first year head coach, and the jets ran multiple defenses at brady, sacked brady and harrased him relentsly. Did we sack eli Hostile? Where is the pass rush? Where is the blitz. We basically the last drive just stayed in base defense and let the giants throw on us left and right.
I guess now wade is going to say just like on cb situation he is going to reevaluate that and probably choose a starter at one cb position. Now, wade has to say, well since i didnt work on blitz packages enough, we now have to work on our blitz and pass rush. I am sure you saw after the cowboy worked on their run defense they stopped the giants cold. Why didnt they do that in preseason Hostile?

Everyone else is going to throw Romo under the bus. While I am not going to defend him and say it's not his fault I will say I still support him as our QB, and think the rash over reactions to a bad game are stupid. In his PC he took full blame for the loss. No finger pointing. His team will react to that..

I am not saying throw romo under the bus. I am saying when is he going to grow up. Look at the history hostile, Seattle big game, romo blunder, pittsburgh game, romo blunder, raven game, romo blunder along with defense, giants playoff game in 2007 romo blunders. In real big games when you know alittle is on the line, romo blunders. When is he going to quit giving excuses, quit doing dumb things he does and play. At same time I dont blame romo by himself, romo had a bad game, newman stunk the place up last night, flozell killed a critical drive with his dumb penalty. To me you should show a player like flozell, look, crayton caught the pass and had a first down, but flozell did the stupid penalty. When are you going to hold Flozell accountable and make him see he is killing some of our drives.

I thought the OL played great. The RBs did as well. It is a pity the rest of the team did not come along for the ride.

The stadium is magnificent. I think the crowd was amazing. I loved the noise. I wish NBC had shown the unveiling of the Ring of Honor and the star.

The best thing I can say about last night is it isn't the end of the season. Doesn't matter, I'm not happy.

Yes offensive line played well all except the dumb play by flozell, the rbs played great too and the defense run defense was super, but where was the pass rush, where was spencer on pass rush and sacks.

 

[newlander]

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I'm a defensive guy. I would rather a offense that can only manage 17 points a game and are slow and methotical as long as I have a defense that dominates.

This is killing me. 30th ranked defense, lame duck defensive guru coach. If Wade was a defensive cordinator he would of been fired last season. If this continues how can you justify keeping him on.

Despite the defensive play I still think we go into the bye week 4-1.
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GREAT POST..................SUMS UP MY FEELINGS 100%

 

[ETex]

I don't have much good to say. Let's start with some painful facts.

Wade had never lost on Sunday Night Football until last night. The Cowboys had never lost on September 20th until last night. Not well known and really in the grand scheme of things not really that important, but hopefully it interests someone.

I have never seen a game like that in my life. How do we turn the ball over 4 times, get no takeaways ourselves, and still only lose by 2 points? I've seen games with teams getting a lucky bounce, but 3 of them? The INT off Witten's shoe, the Manningham TD, and then the batted ball still caught on the final drive. We were not meant to win that game for whatever reason.

Barber's quad injury is my biggest concern. I do think Choice will once again fill in nicely, but I hate injuries and the way he went down makes me think it's bad.

Have you ever seen expert fans turn on a player faster than Orlando Scandrick? One bad game by the kid and he goes from fan favorite and Oscan, to he can't play. In truth it was an awful game by the entire secondary and the pass rush isn't helping them at all. 2 games, no sacks, no takeaways. Not good enough by a long shot.

Everyone else is going to throw Romo under the bus. While I am not going to defend him and say it's not his fault I will say I still support him as our QB, and think the rash over reactions to a bad game are stupid. In his PC he took full blame for the loss. No finger pointing. His team will react to that.

I thought the OL played great. The RBs did as well. It is a pity the rest of the team did not come along for the ride.

The stadium is magnificent. I think the crowd was amazing. I loved the noise. I wish NBC had shown the unveiling of the Ring of Honor and the star.

The best thing I can say about last night is it isn't the end of the season. Doesn't matter, I'm not happy.

<--- About sums it up for me as well. Bravo

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Really?

Who wrote this?

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2919605&postcount=1




You are such a little dandelion blowing in the wind its not even funny.


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Typical fairweather fandom.


Hos I agree with you on pretty much most of that but I've got some serious concerns about our lack of ability to create turnovers and with Garrett's play calling to some degree. I just don't get how we can be averaging nearly 10 yards a carry and we don't lean extremely heavily on that. Especially when your QB, and recievers, are struggling. Tonight they should have absolutely been pounding the rock the whole time and let the running game carry them to a victory.

I still think Garrett, and Tony as well, get too pass happy when they see weak secondary's because...Gosh darn it! This stuff is there. It should work. They can't stop us.

They've both got to get past that point of view and realise that there are times when pounding the rock is simply the way to go. I will bet just about anything if we'd run about 10-12 more times, at least, as a team last night that we win that game instead of lose it.

 

[JonJon]

Right now, I think they are the best WR corps in the NFC East. I'll give credit where it is due.

Seven, but I do get your point. I really dislike Campo and more than ever wish we had gone after Dennis Thurman. Please tell me why we did not go after him when he clearly wanted to come home.

No team truly copes with turnovers. I still want the guy at the rudder. I understand those who don't, but being a guy who is caught up in NFL History I just don't see the reason for the widespread panic. There is clearly incredible ability within the guy. Denying that is just blindness because of bitterness.

That's what makes it so frustrating. I don't think anyone here denies that he has the ability to be one of the top QB's in the league, its just that he makes bonehead decisions at times when it isn't even warranted. And when it's bad, it's incredibly, head-scratching, unheard-of, never happened before in the history of the game bad, and it only seems to happen that way with Romo and Dallas. Like I said last night, Romo is like the super hot girl friend with herpes; she will give you a really good time but in the end, you still get burned.

It is a reoccurring theme that fans are just beyond tired of. This team should be bragging about how many SB's we've won the past few seasons. I really believe that, but it's bonehead games like last night that kill that every time and most are just done with the excuses.

Last night I was in WWE mode ready to stone cold stun someone. After calming down, I'm still pissed, just not as pissed. There was no reason to even be in position to lose that game. To make it worse, it was the Giants. That should have been a shoulder-patting, toast giving, warm inside, dominating game last night but instead hearts where ripped out yet again and nobody can even explain why. Something has to change. I don't know excactly what it is, but something needs to be done. We cannot continue on like this and expect to win a title.

 

[RS12]

Garrett was outcoached again, and didn't figure it out until our last possession. The Giants with their beat up secondary were dropping 7 or 8 into coverage and giving us whatever we wanted in the running game. They knew Garrett wouldn't stick with it, and he'd force passes in there. They were just waiting for it to happen. Why were nearly 50/50 run to pass is beyond me in that game.

Nice post. Romo threw into double coverage constantly like he had some kind of bad addiction. I still say the reason the passing lanes were so congested is the lack of a field stretching WR.

 

[Signals]

I certainly hope the new stadium wasn't accidentally built on top of an ancient Indian burial ground, otherwise we'll be seeing a lot more games like that.

There were just too many freakish things happen in that game that it's mind blowing.

Here's a # for you Jerry: 1-800-EXORCISM.

 

[Everson24]

I don't think many real fans want Romo replaced. What we want is another plan to make him successful. What we've been doing for the last 18 games isn't working. Look what Minny is doing with Favre. Run the ball, throw high percentage passes and focus on creating mis-matches. It's not rocket science.

We need less Romo. The D struggled, but I certainly don't pin that loss on them. It's no secret we need a better pass rush and something is wrong in our secondary.

The problem is we do not have the Vikings defense. On most Sundays their defense will keep them in the game until Peterson breaks a couple of long runs. I have zero confidence that our defense would keep the score close while we try that strategy.

I think this is part of Romo's problem. He feels he absolutely has to put points up on every drive and thus he forces things. If he could trust the defense to keep a team under 20 points (like Roethlisberger can) I think we would see a much more efficient QB.

 

[TheCount]

The problem is we do not have the Vikings defense. On most Sundays their defense will keep them in the game until Peterson breaks a couple of long runs. I have zero confidence that our defense would keep the score close while we try that strategy.

I think this is part of Romo's problem. He feels he absolutely has to put points up on every drive and thus he forces things. If he could trust the defense to keep a team under 20 points (like Roethlisberger can) I think we would see a much more efficient QB.

The defense played well enough to win if not for the turnovers last night.

 

[theebs]

I could go on and on.

In a nutshell its the same ol problems. I think the losses on defense this offseason have showed up and been glaring problems.

Its just another frustrating loss. I didnt see much to be encouraged about outside the running game, they were stacking the box and we ran right at them and barber and felix made guys miss and were simply sensational.

My biggest concern now is how will this team compete monday night? Will the energy be there? Will the team be motivated to play well? That was an emotionally charged divisonal game.

I thought originally going into the season we would struggle early on, I thought it would be because we had problems moving the football until we got adjusted to life without the big plays. We are not struggling in that area however, we are struggling with the same old defensive problems. No turnovers, nobody making stops on third down and the biggest problem of all penalties on third down.

Where does it go from here? I have no idea. I think if they can win monday night they might be able to set themselves up to regroup coming out of the bye where it really gets tough.

As of right now, it looks like any quality QB and offensive staff will have their way with this team.

and I would like to add again, I said it last night. Romo was in front of me on that last int, when he threw the ball I looked up field and didnt see phillips either, he was extremely deep and he blended in with the colors in the endzone and I am not trying to make excuses for romo, it was a bad play but I think it was just a mistake. What I dont get with that play is there were 22 seconds left in the 3rd quarter, roy williams was in the locker room getting an IV and you call that play with hurd on the field. Very odd to me.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

All in all, I think we had a pretty good game from a players' perspective. I was really impressed with Spencer. And while I think Garrett had some nice calls, I put the onus of the blame on him for not running it more often. Do I want him gone? Heck no. I just think we can spread the blame around and it comes down to the team losing the game rather than one certain person. I found myself cursing Carpenter, but that's because he is already on my short leash.

 

[RS12]

The defense played well enough to win if not for the turnovers last night.

Sorry Count, you are a good poster, disagree here. Defense had a chance to stop them plenty of times on the last drive, had em third and long. They could not shut the door. Mannings hair never got messed up and the secondary was god awful. Defense is not good enough right now to stop a quality team.

 

[FCBarca]

The disturbing part of Romo's performance wasn't that he played so poorly in a big game - this, IMHO, is beginning to be a pattern...It has to do with how he dealt with it in the game...Did you see him dejected sitting alone on the bench towards the end?...If you're a leader on the team, are you really crawling into a corner or are you amped to get back out there to win it?...His body language had 'defeated' all over it

It's one game but it's not the first time Romo has turned up a poor performance with a comedy of errors in big games...Once, you chalk it up to learning experience...Twice, you figure not your time...But 3, 4 or 5 times?...The Grossman comparisons are beginning to be more and more fitting

 

[fanfromvirginia]

We lost because of Romo's 3 turnovers, full stop.

 

[thechosen1n2]

The best thing I can say about last night is it isn't the end of the season. Doesn't matter, I'm not happy.

Here are my concerns...The completions to Wideouts and TEs. Lets be honest, Romos numbers were masked last week when everyone was on his jock about a record setting day. His passes have been off. The Austin TD was poorly thrown, Craytons dang near had to stop and wait on his TD in wide open field, and he was off numerous times before that (now the roy pass was a good pass, but it should not have gone to the house). Everyone is calling the witten int a "fluke" but witten was wide open, and he threw a terrible pass then. The pick six was i dont know if he was throwing to Roy or crayton, but if it was to roy he was off a gain, and if it was to crayton it was a terrible decison. He made other bad decisions forcing balls in between 2 defenders and the sideline.

Why am i so concerned about this....because he is not being pressured. He has time, and he is constantly misplacing balls.