Aaron Rodgers (last night) vs. Dak (against the Cards)

[Trouty]

Aaron -- 18-26, 69.2 Comp %, 179 YDs, 4 TDs., 128.0 QB Rating. 6.9 YPA

Dak -- 13-18, 72.2 Comp %, 183 YDs, 2 TDs, 1 rush TD. 141.7 QB Rating. 10.17 YPA

Dak played against a shutdown corner and a superior D. Aaron played against a lesser D, with admittedly a better D Coordinator in Fangio.

Dak is just getting started. As Cowherd pointed out, look at the QB leaders through three weeks of the 2000 season. It was Griese and Couch.

Dak is arriving.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm

 

[cityochamps]

I wanna see Dak get more Mobil in/out of the pocket on the pass, seems he did more of that last year.

 

[Future]

Using a single game as evidence of anything - especially comparing Dak to A-Rod, is really shortsighted.

 

[Trouty]

I wanna see Dak get more Mobil in/out of the pocket on the pass, seems he did more of that last year.

He is extraordinary rolling out.

 

[Trouty]

Using a single game as evidence of anything - especially comparing Dak to A-Rod, is really shortsighted.

I didn't say Dak was better than damned Rodgers.

Cut it out. Just using a single game as a barometer. Last season I used a whole season(s) of Brady's first and second year stats. Does that tickle your fancy?

Here, brudda (edit, brain cell fail, it was their first 8 games, but I'm sure I could extrapolate further and show similar results)

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/tom-brady-dak-prescotts-first-8-games-in-the-league.362428/

Never mind, I did a further analysis:

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/tom-brady-2001-down-games-yes-back-off-the-ledge.366026/

 

[Future]

I didn't say Dak was better than damned Rodgers.

Cut it out. Just using a single game as a barometer. Last season I used a whole season(s) of Brady's first and second year stats. Does that tickle your fancy?

Here, brudda (edit, brain cell fail, it was their first 8 games, but I'm sure I could extrapolate further and show similar results)

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/tom-brady-dak-prescotts-first-8-games-in-the-league.362428/

I never said you called him better than Rodgers but the implication here is that he's as good as or in the same class as Rodgers.

I would have said the exact same thing in the Brady thread if I saw it. In looking now, that whole thread falls apart w/ Percy's top-10 defense post, imo. Dak has miles to go before he's an accomplished enough passer to mentioned with the likes of Brady and Rodgers. It's interesting to compare, but calling him a "Brady in the making" is silly.

 

[Trouty]

I never said you called him better than Rodgers but the implication here is that he's as good as or in the same class as Rodgers.

I would have said the exact same thing in the Brady thread if I saw it. In looking now, that whole thread falls apart w/ Percy's top-10 defense post, imo. Dak has miles to go before he's an accomplished enough passer to mentioned with the likes of Brady and Rodgers. It's interesting to compare, but calling him a "Brady in the making" is silly.

No. The implication is that they had similar games. The great ARod and our up-and-comer.

He is a Brady in the making. And I said thIs before all the pundits started doing so. I'm not saying he'll win damned 5 SBs. Just that they have similar tendencies.

Be the voice you want to be. My take isn't silly. They are very similar QBs (but that isn't what this thread is about).

 

[Future]

No. The implication is that they had similar games. The great ARod and our up-and-comer.

He is a Brady in the making. And I said thIs before all the pundits started doing so. I'm not saying he'll win damned 5 SBs. Just that they have similar tendencies.

Be the voice you want to be. My take isn't silly. They are very similar QBs.

What's the point of a thread saying they have similar games? You can do that with any two quarterbacks. Josh Freeman had some great games too.

His play style is the complete opposite of Brady, I don't know who is saying that they play a similar game, but it's wildly inaccurate. Brady is exclusively about timing, precision, and scheme. Dak is a playmaker who will hold the ball and let things develop. On top of that, Dak's legs are a weapon and the Cowboys use that to create matchups/advantages that Brady doesn't use - Dak right now does not have the grasp of defenses or consistent accuracy to throw the ball 50 times a game and use it as an extension of the run game for possession, Brady, on the other hand, doesn't have the legs to ever be an RPO threat. They couldn't be more different.

Dak, in terms of style, is far more comparable to Cam Newton. When they're playing well, they're both doing the same things.

 

[Sydla]

Aaron -- 18-26, 69.2 Comp %, 179 YDs, 4 TDs., 128.0 QB Rating. 6.9 YPA

Dak -- 13-18, 72.2 Comp %, 183 YDs, 2 TDs, 1 rush TD. 141.7 QB Rating. 10.17 YPA

Dak played against a shutdown corner and a superior D. Aaron played against a lesser D, with admittedly a better D Coordinator in Fangio.

Dak is just getting started. As Cowherd pointed out, look at the QB leaders through three weeks of the 2000 season. It was Griese and Couch.

Dak is arriving.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm

A really good game against the Rams would go a long way to easing some of the concern IMO.

 

[RS12]

I dont take much in general from TNF. Usually the road team is a big disadvantage traveling on a real short week.

 

[Pants]

See you in 9 days to see who wins the head-to-head

 

[Trouty]

What's the point of a thread saying they have similar games? You can do that with any two quarterbacks. Josh Freeman had some great games too.

His play style is the complete opposite of Brady, I don't know who is saying that they play a similar game, but it's wildly inaccurate. Brady is exclusively about timing, precision, and scheme. Dak is a playmaker who will hold the ball and let things develop. On top of that, Dak's legs are a weapon and the Cowboys use that to create matchups/advantages that Brady doesn't use - Dak right now does not have the grasp of defenses or consistent accuracy to throw the ball 50 times a game and use it as an extension of the run game for possession, Brady, on the other hand, doesn't have the legs to ever be an RPO threat. They couldn't be more different.

Dak, in terms of style, is far more comparable to Cam Newton. When they're playing well, they're both doing the same things.

The point is to create content and to put Dak's last game into perspective with a great, all-time QB. To give other Zoners a measuring stick if they so choose to use it.

Now, to where you go wrong..

Don't be lazy. Outside of an occasional run (like the beauty, his first TD against AZ), he is very similar to Brady. He feeds on short and intermediate routes, and when he is on, burns the D on deep routes, but only sparingly and when he knows the reward outweighs the risk.

Brady's first years were predicated on defense. Not his timing and precision. Less so than even Dak, now. Dak isn't a mobile QB, in the way we use that term in today's NFL. He uses his legs as a last resort. He always looks for the pass. Yes, he is more mobile than Brady when he has to be. But they are incredibly similar, outside of that, at this point in their careers.

Let me guess, you lazily comp him to McNair or McNabb? GTHO

 

[mattjames2010]

Rodgers was getting an insane amount of short fields due to turnovers. He really didn't have to do a whole lot last night.

 

[Trouty]

A really good game against the Rams would go a long way to easing some of the concern IMO.

Competely agree, Syd. And further than that (and as you've been saying since week 1), this season as a whole.

Just wanted to show a recent game of a great, vs. Dak's last

 

[Trouty]

See you in 9 days to see who wins the head-to-head

Fair enough. See ya, then.

Good God, this thread is becoming more than it's meaning.

Comparing one game LOL

 

[Trouty]

I dont take much in general from TNF. Usually the road team is a big disadvantage traveling on a real short week.

I do. If it were us, you would be, too. As well as the majority of the board.

 

[Pants]

Fair enough. See ya, then.

Good God, this thread is becoming more than it's meaning.

Comparing one game LOL

I was kinda agreeing with your post....that Dak belongs in the conversation

....and, to the guy that said Rodgers had short fields, ummm, our punt game pinned AZ, we forced 3 and outs, the punt return game gave us 3 short fields....next?

 

[TheCount]

I never said you called him better than Rodgers but the implication here is that he's as good as or in the same class as Rodgers.

I would have said the exact same thing in the Brady thread if I saw it. In looking now, that whole thread falls apart w/ Percy's top-10 defense post, imo. Dak has miles to go before he's an accomplished enough passer to mentioned with the likes of Brady and Rodgers. It's interesting to compare, but calling him a "Brady in the making" is silly.

This is the Fan Zone, he's saying he's a fan of Dak and using a game as an example.

Some of you guys can't let a positive post go without crapping all over it. Let the man have some fun.

Anyway, can we talk about Brice Butler next? Or as I like to call him; Brice Rice... or was it, Randy Butler?

 

[sbark]

He is extraordinary rolling out.

His accuracy rolling out is his strength. Now can Linehan/Garrett build on that using playaction etc to kickstart this offense, keep the extra defenders out of the box and get Zeke going all inside the scheme.

We saw halfway thru the season last year where the defense started flooding the half of the feild on his rollouts, to Dak's credit he almost wont throw across his body back into the middle of the feild........so pro/cons to it all of course.

Romo......teams also recognized his ability to create on the rollout.......teams schemed to keep him in the pocket. But Romo did it not as a planned rollout, but as the play progressed with nothing open in the pocket........is that where Dak has to get to?...............Laurent Robinson and Romo were magic, but I gotta believe at minimum Beasley and Switzer would latch onto it very quickly.........same with Witten.

 

[Future]

The point is to create content and to put Dak's last game into perspective with a great, all-time QB. To give other Zoners a measuring stick if they so choose to use it.

Now, to where you go wrong..

Don't be lazy. Outside of an occasional run (like the beauty, his first TD against AZ), he is very similar to Brady. He feeds on short and intermediate routes, and when he is on, burns the D on deep routes, but only sparingly and when he knows the reward outweighs the risk.

Brady's first years were predicated on defense. Not his timing and precision. Less so than even Dak, now. Dak isn't a mobile QB, in the way we use that term in today's NFL. He uses his legs as a last resort. He always looks for the pass. Yes, he is more mobile than Brady when he has to be. But they are incredibly similar, outside of that, at this point in their careers.

Let me guess, you lazily comp him to McNair or McNabb? GTHO

Dak is a mobile QB in EXACTLY the way the term is used today. Threat with the legs but doesn't depend on running. He's not RGIII or Tyrod, who would be running quarterbacks. You said it yourself, he's amazing when rolling out. Dak's legs are an absolute threat and whether he runs 1 time a game or 10, defenses have to account for it. That's what makes the RPO and play-action rollouts work, and that's what makes him different than Brady. Feeding on short and intermediate routes and using his legs as a threat makes him more like Jeff Garcia than it does Tom Brady. He's better than Garcia, obviously, but his playing style is absolutely nothing like Brady.

To be honest I don't care what Brady did in 2001 and 2002. That was two generations of football ago, and saying he's a Brady in the making is just a massive reach at this point in his career. The reality is that Dak has never been successful when he didn't have a run game to lean on and until he does that, he has no business being compared to the elite quarterbacks of the last decade.

I'd compare him to McNabb, but not McNair. I'd also compare him to Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith, Brett Favre and Tony Romo long before I would Brady, Brees, and Peyton or, on the flip side, Mike Vick. But he's most similar in stature and play style to Newton. So kill that lazy comp nonsense.