About Roy Williams Horse Collar

[Org1]

Just something I noticed:
Often when he does it, it is an automatic reaction from him getting stiff armed to the face

I know this wouldn't become a rule(in the case of a stiff arm all bets being off) but if a RB decides to stiff arm you what other options do you have other than to reach out your arms and grab if you can't power through it

If you go low at that point you are not making the tackle

Look at the Musa Smith one from a few years back (I believe that was a stiff arm attempt) , the one tonight and there was also another one this year
Everytime he got stiff armed he did it

I know he did it in college ( check the highlights) but in the NFL...guess when he got nuts with it...

After Chris Brown Stiff Armed his face to another planet and scored a TD in that pre-season game
After that experience it was all broken legs and ripped knees for runners

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

I just think the rule is silly in the first place, because they never consistently call it. One week it's anytime you get your hand inside the guys pads, then it's the jersey, then it's only if you pull him straight down from behind, then it's this and that. They should have just realized that since Roy was the only guy breaking legs with it, they should just fear him and move on, not make a stupid rule about it.

 

[djtavo]

i think is a good rule, it protects players from injuries... i dont know if u have ever been tackle like that, but is not a good feeling....

 

[nicodywill]

i think is a good rule, it protects players from injuries... i dont know if u have ever been tackle like that, but is not a good feeling....

haha yeah just ask T.O. how it feels. snap goes the femur.:laugh2:

 

[Rack]

I just think the rule is silly in the first place, because they never consistently call it. One week it's anytime you get your hand inside the guys pads, then it's the jersey, then it's only if you pull him straight down from behind, then it's this and that. They should have just realized that since Roy was the only guy breaking legs with it, they should just fear him and move on, not make a stupid rule about it.

You have to learn what exactly has to take place for it to be a "horse collar" infraction.


It's not just a simple matter of grabbing the back of the jersey and/or shoulder pads. A lot of people think that's all it takes, bit it's more then that. I've never seen an actual horse collar infraction not called.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

I know what it is. It's supposed to be when you bring a guy down backward while getting inside his jersey or pads, thus risking bad leg injuries. It's not me who doesn't know what the rule is, it's the zebras they trot out there week in and week out.

 

[Rack]

I know what it is. It's supposed to be when you bring a guy down backward while getting inside his jersey or pads, thus risking bad leg injuries. It's not me who doesn't know what the rule is, it's the zebras they trot out there week in and week out.

Sorry, but it's more then that.

You can grab a runner by the back of this shoulder pads and bring him down w/o it being a "Horse collar" infraction.

The infraction takes place when the tackler goes to the ground and uses his body weight and momentum to "jerk" the runner down quickly.

There's a difference, you just have to see it and accept it.

 

[sk0aL]

The only reason I don't like this rule is because it's too hard to call consistently. Take the bears game for example. Roy got called for a blatant horsecollar but then in the 4th quarter there was a blatant horsecollar on JJ but no flag. The NFL needs to define the penalty in strict, concrete terms.

Regardless, Roy knows a horsecollar tackle is going to get called on him 100% of the time because the rule is practically named after him, yet he still does it. Either he doesn't care or it's simply a reaction he can't break out of the habit of.

 

[AdamJT13]

The only reason I don't like this rule is because it's too hard to call consistently. Take the bears game for example. Roy got called for a blatant horsecollar but then in the 4th quarter there was a blatant horsecollar on JJ but no flag. The NFL needs to define the penalty in strict, concrete terms.

Regardless, Roy knows a horsecollar tackle is going to get called on him 100% of the time because the rule is practically named after him, yet he still does it. Either he doesn't care or it's simply a reaction he can't break out of the habit of.

If you go by the rule, he's done it only one time since the rule was put in place -- last year against Tiki Barber (when it wasn't even called, but he was fined for it). He shouldn't have been flagged for it against the Bears because he didn't grab inside the collar -- he grabbed on the outside of the jersey, on the nameplate. And he didn't get called for it tonight because he had a hand in front of the runner.

 

[Rack]

The only reason I don't like this rule is because it's too hard to call consistently. Take the bears game for example. Roy got called for a blatant horsecollar but then in the 4th quarter there was a blatant horsecollar on JJ but no flag. The NFL needs to define the penalty in strict, concrete terms.

Regardless, Roy knows a horsecollar tackle is going to get called on him 100% of the time because the rule is practically named after him, yet he still does it. Either he doesn't care or it's simply a reaction he can't break out of the habit of.

That's wasn't a horse collar infraction. Like I said, learn the difference.

 

[nicodywill]

It shouldn't even be a rule.
This is tackle football isn't it?
Men did play this game for many years before us without this rule didn't they?
Men used to play this game with a piece of leather on their heads at one time didn't they?
Why the hell are we trying to tacke the tackle out of tackle football?
This is a dangerous game. We know this, there is contact involved. Everyone on the field knows this, you might get jacked up, that's just one of the consequences involved with it. I think we need to re-evaluate what we are doing to this sport with all these stupid ticky-tack rules. or maybe we should just play two hand touch or flag football.These rules take alot away from what this game is or was all about.It's supposed to be football not track.

 

[Rack]

It shouldn't even be a rule.
This is tackle football isn't it?
Men did play this game for many years before us without this rule didn't they?
Men used to play this game with a piece of leather on their heads at one time didn't they?
Why the hell are we trying to tacke the tackle out of tackle football?
This is a dangerous game. We know this, there is contact involved. Everyone on the field knows this, you might get jacked up, that's just one of the consequences involved with it. I think we need to re-evaluate what we are doing to this sport with all these stupid ticky-tack rules. or maybe we should just play two hand touch or flag football.These rules take alot away from what this game is or was all about.It's supposed to be football not track.

I agree it's a dumb rule. But since it is in place, people should put forth the effort (what little effort it is) to learn what truly needs to take place for it to be a horse collar infraction.

 

[Chuck 54]

I defend Roy when he's chasing a guy down or the guy's about to turn the corner on him, but that was a BS tackle. I find it hard to believe he didn't do that one on purpose, possibly in frustration.

He was there in plenty of time to lay the wood, and he chose to set that horsecollar up and even swing his legs behind the runner. It was a terrible tackle that he didn't have to make that way.

He'll be fined big for that one, I think.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

I defend Roy when he's chasing a guy down or the guy's about to turn the corner on him, but that was a BS tackle. I find it hard to believe he didn't do that one on purpose, possibly in frustration.

He was there in plenty of time to lay the wood, and he chose to set that horsecollar up and even swing his legs behind the runner. It was a terrible tackle that he didn't have to make that way.

He'll be fined big for that one, I think.

You should have heard Brad Sham on the radio broadcast. He was absolutely disgusted that Roy would even put himself in a position to have that called on him as often as he does when the rule was made specfically because of him.

If you're Roy Williams and you have any other technique available to you to take a runner down, why would you even come close to even looking like you're horsecollaring them? It's not as if he's saving TD runs or something. A lot of times a good wrap-up tackle would suffice just fine, but no, he yanks them down. He just ain't the sharpest tool in the shed sometimes.