Adam - Cap Wise Jerry Said He Couldn't Cut TO & Sign Ware - True?

[DandyDon1722]

From an earlier thread Jerry was on with Norm and was talking about having no room to do anything with big salary and bonus guys. In referring to TO he said, "If I cut him, the bonus accelerates onto the cap and then I don't have room to sign Ware."

We all respect your knowledge in regards to the cap. Is Jerry trying to deflect the TO situation or are his hands really tied?

 

[isawoj]

I'll answer based on a comment Mickey Spagnola made on the Bob & Dan Show. Mickey said that keeping TO would cost roughly $8.3mm against the cap next season and cutting him would cost $9mm.

Bob said we are only talking $700,000 but then Mickey pointed out that it means you get nothing for $9mm if you cut him and are effectively working with cap minus $9mm to fill out your roster.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I'll answer based on a comment Mickey Spagnola made on the Bob & Dan Show. Mickey said that keeping TO would cost roughly $8.3mm against the cap next season and cutting him would cost $9mm.

Bob said we are only talking $700,000 but then Mickey pointed out that it means you get nothing for $9mm if you cut him and are effectively working with cap minus $9mm to fill out your roster.

Thanks. I hate the answer but I get it. So the real question on TO should be is it worth $9 million dollars to not have him around. Pretty expensive.

 

[The Panch]

What's funny is that Jerry would even feel the need to give a reason why he couldnt cut Owens as if he even entertained the idea.



hmmmm

 

[The30YardSlant]

What's funny is that Jerry would even feel the need to give a reason why he couldnt cut Owens as if he even entertained the idea.



hmmmm

I'm sure he hasnt

This know-nothing fanbase and local media is in need of someone, anyone to blame, and TO is the perfect target. Everyone wants him gone. Jerry is spitting in all their faces.

 

[The Panch]

I'm sure he hasnt

This know-nothing fanbase and local media is in need of someone, anyone to blame, and TO is the perfect target. Everyone wants him gone. Jerry is spitting in all their faces.

I doubt he seriously considered it, but im suprised there was no "Owens isnt going anywhere. He's our guy" instead it was about the cap not being right. Probably just another case of Jerry put his foot in his mouth.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Yeah that's the idea. It's 9 million in the bonus that you'd have to pay toward the cap so essentially you'd start the offseason 9 million in the hole.

Now if you figure that you're lucky and have about 15-18 million dollars of cap room going in this move would effectively wipe out at the very least half your cap room just to not have him around.

It would be a stupid, and very poor, business decision and it's exactly the kind of thing that shows why a lot of fans are not business owners, and never should be.

They'd be bankrupt in ten minutes.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah that's the idea. It's 9 million in the bonus that you'd have to pay toward the cap so essentially you'd start the offseason 9 million in the hole.

Now if you figure that you're lucky and have about 15-18 million dollars of cap room going in this move would effectively wipe out at the very least half your cap room just to not have him around.

It would be a stupid, and very poor, business decision and it's exactly the kind of thing that shows why a lot of fans are not business owners, and never should be.

They'd be bankrupt in ten minutes.

Brilliant reply BHF.

I'm so sick of seeing the "cut" or "trade" or "sign" threads I could scream, because these Yahweh's have no idea what the cap ramifications are.

 

[Hostile]

Brilliant reply BHF.

I'm so sick of seeing the "cut" or "trade" or "sign" threads I could scream, because these Yahweh's have no idea what the cap ramifications are.

:signmast:

 

[Kangaroo]

Yeah that's the idea. It's 9 million in the bonus that you'd have to pay toward the cap so essentially you'd start the offseason 9 million in the hole.

Now if you figure that you're lucky and have about 15-18 million dollars of cap room going in this move would effectively wipe out at the very least half your cap room just to not have him around.

It would be a stupid, and very poor, business decision and it's exactly the kind of thing that shows why a lot of fans are not business owners, and never should be.

They'd be bankrupt in ten minutes.

no you would wipe out 700k of the 15 million because TO cap figure next year is 8.3 million and is already figured into the total so that is an extra 700k. Then you add in the cost of his replacement into the equation which would be some young player like Miles Austin because you do not have any big dollars to sign a name

 

[TNCowboy]

Yeah that's the idea. It's 9 million in the bonus that you'd have to pay toward the cap so essentially you'd start the offseason 9 million in the hole.

Now if you figure that you're lucky and have about 15-18 million dollars of cap room going in this move would effectively wipe out at the very least half your cap room just to not have him around.

It would be a stupid, and very poor, business decision and it's exactly the kind of thing that shows why a lot of fans are not business owners, and never should be.

They'd be bankrupt in ten minutes.

You're already into TO with an $8M cap hit. Cutting him - according to this - would make that a $9M cap hit. You're essentially in the same spot, except now you have no TO. Where you have big cap ramifications is if you're spending big $ to replace him.

 

[Air Force One]

:signmast:

So I'm just wondering ...you guys would forego team chemistry for cap room?

I'm not for getting rid of TO either but I've got an open mind here and it seems to me keeping players for cap reasons ALONE is a serious mistake asking for the status quo to continue.

*IF* there is a cancer on this team it must be cut out regardless ...anything else is short-sighted nonsense.

 

[tomson75]

Yeah that's the idea. It's 9 million in the bonus that you'd have to pay toward the cap so essentially you'd start the offseason 9 million in the hole.

Now if you figure that you're lucky and have about 15-18 million dollars of cap room going in this move would effectively wipe out at the very least half your cap room just to not have him around.

It would be a stupid, and very poor, business decision and it's exactly the kind of thing that shows why a lot of fans are not business owners, and never should be.

They'd be bankrupt in ten minutes.

I'm waiting for Adam to chime in here before I make this permanent, but for now here's a tentative

 

[Maikeru-sama]

You're already into TO with an $8M cap hit. Cutting him - according to this - would make that a $9M cap hit. You're essentially in the same spot, except now you have no TO. Where you have big cap ramifications is if you're spending big $ to replace him.

Right, but as Mickey stated you would be $9M short and nothing to show for it.

I know one thing, if Terrell Owens is getting $8.5M next Season he needs to have a better season then he did this year.

Anybody know where $8.5M ranks among Wide Receivers?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

So i'm just wondering ...you guys would forgoe team chemistry for cap room?

I'm not for getting rid of TO either but I've got an open mind here and it seems to me keeping players for cap reasons ALONE is a serious mistake asking for the status quo to continue.

*IF* there is a cancer on this team it must be cut out regardless ...anything else is short-sighted nonsense.

Even if you cut Terrell Owens, Jerry Jones will still be GM and Wade Phillips will still be Head Coach.

 

[Air Force One]

Even if you cut Terrell Owens, Jerry Jones will still be GM and Wade Phillips will still be Head Coach.

Right I agree, but the others are basically saying that if my grandma had TO's contract with the Cowboys that we should suit her up at WR for cap reasons and just suck it up.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

You're already into TO with an $8M cap hit. Cutting him - according to this - would make that a $9M cap hit. You're essentially in the same spot, except now you have no TO. Where you have big cap ramifications is if you're spending big $ to replace him.

no you would wipe out 700k of the 15 million because TO cap figure next year is 8.3 million and is already figured into the total so that is an extra 700k. Then you add in the cost of his replacement into the equation which would be some young player like Miles Austin because you do not have any big dollars to sign a name

Yes, I realise it's only 700k more than if he's here. But the difference is, and this is what makes it important, is that it's 9 million against your cap for A PLAYER WHO ISN"T ON YOUR ROSTER.

That's dead money and that's STUPID.

It's one thing to give the guy 8.3 million next year and have him catch 65-80 balls for 1,000-1300 yards and 10-12 TDs and totally another situation when you're cap is hit for 9 million dollars and you get nothing in return for that nine million.

That's like if you went out and gave someone 100 thousand dollars for a new car (This is just an example I dont expect anyone here would give 100k for a car) but then told the dealer..."But I don't actually want to own the car. Just let it sit here on the lot and take my 100k anyway."


It's an incredibly stupid thought process that it takes to think it's a good idea to have 9 million dollars of dead money on your cap.

Then you have the added fact that now you're having to sign another guy, or drafting another guy, at the WR position and you have to pay them now as well so you're paying, basically, for the same spot twice and only getting the use of one player out of the pay.

That, people, is ********. Only a fool would look at that situation and say, "Sure I'll just throw nine million dollars of my money away, that i can't use on anyone else, to get rid of this guy."

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Right I agree, but the others are basically saying that if my grandma had TO's contract with the Cowboys that we should suit her up at WR for cap reasons and just suck it up.

I hear ya.

I think Terrell Owens is still a good player and I definately wouldn't mind seeing him hit the road but $9M is $9M and I think it makes good business sense to keep him around.

I do believe there is some type of strife in the lockerroom and he does nothing but whine, but until I see him doing pushups in his front yard, there really isn't really a reason to cut him.

Especially when the real problems on this team/organization will still be around.

 

[Air Force One]

I hear ya.

I think Terrell Owens is still a good player and I definately wouldn't mind seeing him hit the road but $9M is $9M and I think it makes good business sense to keep him around.

I do believe there is some type of strife in the lockerroom and he does nothing but whine, but until I see him doing pushups in his front yard, there really isn't really a reason to cut him.

Especially when the real problems on this team/organization will still be around.

I'm with your way of thinking but IF it were a fact that without TO next year Witten, RW and Romo were to really click together, then 9 million would seem cheap.

Unfortunately, the only ones that really know what's really going on is the players themselves so we just have to hope TO isn't an issue as far as chemistry.

We'll find out years from now what has really been going on in that locker room.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Almost every team has some dead money. I feel pretty good that it would only be $780k or whatever the number is.

And guess what, we better get used to it, because Flozell and some of the other guys we gave big money to are going to represent dead money in the next few years, too.

But it doesn't mean you have to keep the guy if he's a bad apple.