adam jones officially released today per star telegraph, who else?

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Pacman gone today, who else might be leaving?


The Cowboys will officially release cornerback Adam Pacman Jones today, the first day teams can release players for the 2009 season.

The Cowboys announced their attentions to part ways with Jones after just one turbulent season last month. The Cowboys will save $1 million against cap by getting rid of Jones.

But Jones might not be the only player the Cowboys release on Monday.

Quarterback Brad Johnson surely will not be back next season after his poor play as the backup quarterback and then getting moved to third string behind Brooks Bollinger. That move could be made official today as well. The Cowboys will save another $2 million by releasing Johnson.

Here are three other names that will likely be considered:

* SS Roy Williams, who admitted last night on NBC 5's Out of Bounds with Newy Scruggs that he does not feel comfortable in the 3-4 defense and that he "got used" by opposing teams since the Cowboys made switch from the 4-3 a few years ago. Williams stated he wants to remain in Dallas and would consider a pay cut and even moving to linebacker. He is too small to play linebacker in 3-4 and if he doesn't feel comfortable playing safety in the defense then what good would restructuring the contract do? By releasing Williams, the Cowboys would save $4.4 million against the salary cap. Maybe more importantly in these economic times, the Cowboys would avoid paying more than $9 million owed to Williams over the next two years.

*LB Greg Ellis, who has predicted this day would come the last three years. Now that his snaps were significantly reduced this past season, he is even more sure that the time is now because of his $6.25 million cap number for next year and $4.15 base salary. Ellis was a starter in name only at the end of the season because Wade Phillips didn't want to cause in more trouble. Anthony Spencer played primarily on first and second down with Ellis serving as a nickel pass rusher. There is nothing wrong with paying a premium for such an important niche role. Ellis just has it in his head that the Cowboys are not going to pay him that much money to do it. The Cowboys could actually save $5.6 million by cutting Ellis.

The problem with cutting Ellis is the Cowboys would have to rely even more on Spencer, who has proven to be injury prone, immature and has yet to blossom into the catalytic pass rusher the Cowboys hoped he would be when they took him in the first round of the 2007 draft. Spencer was fined in training camp for missing a treatment session. He was arrested in January for public intoxication and disorderly conduct, putting him in thecross hairs of NFL's personal conduct policy.

So the Cowboys probably need Ellis to come back for one more year until they can trust Spencer. The question is whether Ellis will continue to complain about his reduced role and how that plays in what is already a dysfunctional lockerroom.

*CB Anthony Henry, who is in the final year of his contract. He has a $5.6 million cap number for next year which includes a $1 million roster bonus. The Cowboys would actually save $3.6 million against the cap by releasing Henry. It certainly has be a financial consideration for the Cowboys. The problem is that with Pacman Jones gone, the Cowboys don't have a proven option at cornerback opposite Terence Newman. Rookie first round pick Mike Jenkins didn't show enough last year to warrant the move. But then there's the matter of moving Henry to safety. He played safety on passing downs last year and will likely be a fulltime free safety before his career is up. Depending on what the Cowboys do with Williams, the Cowboys could move Ken Hamlin to strong safety and Henry to free safety.

Again considering these moves and doing them are two different things. Jones will be gone today. And Johnson will surely go at some point if not today. The others, including the looming and well chronicled decision on wide receiver Terrell Owens, are wait and see.

Stay Tuned.

Clarence E. Hill Jr.
 

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By releasing Williams, the Cowboys would save $4.4 million against the salary cap.

SOMEBODY in the Dallas media needs to learn at least the basic facts about salary cap rules.

Releasing Roy WOULD NOT save $4.4 million. It would save less than $2 million.
 

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Ha. The FWST has edited the article to say releasing Roy would save $2.4 million, which is much closer, but still off by more than half a million dollars.
 

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cowboyjoe;2630177 said:
well straighten them out Adam, your our cap guru

Adam's power only can lead them to water, he does not have the power to make them drink.
 

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Well, Clarence just outed himself in the Daily Zone, so maybe he's still reading the board and will see this.

Roy's cap number right now is $6.62 million. If we release him, it will be $4.44 million. That's a savings of $2.18 million on HIS cap number. But because of the Rule of 51, when he is released, the base salary of the player with the 52nd-highest cap number starts counting against the cap. Right now, that would be a charge of $310,000, so the net cap savings for releasing Roy would be $1.87 million. That number could be different if/when we release him, depending on the status of our roster in regard to the Rule of 51 at the time (if we sign more players with base salaries of at least $385,000 before then, or if we release more than four players without adding anyone).

The other numbers he lists for cap savings don't take the Rule of 51 into account, either. For every guy we release, another guy's base salary gets added to the cap, as long as we have at least 51 guys still under contract or tendered for 2009 (we have 55 right now). So, for example, when he says we'd save $2 million for releasing Brad Johnson, we'd actually save $1.69 million of cap room if we released him right now. But the media almost never take the Rule of 51 into consideration, either because they don't know about it, don't know how to figure it out or don't want to bother explaining it to their readers.
 

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AdamJT13;2630231 said:
Well, Clarence just outed himself in the Daily Zone, so maybe he's still reading the board and will see this.

Roy's cap number right now is $6.62 million. If we release him, it will be $4.44 million. That's a savings of $2.18 million on HIS cap number. But because of the Rule of 51, when he is released, the base salary of the player with the 52nd-highest cap number starts counting against the cap. Right now, that would be a charge of $310,000, so the net cap savings for releasing Roy would be $1.87 million. That number could be different if/when we release him, depending on the status of our roster in regard to the Rule of 51 (if we sign more players with base salaries of at least $385,000 or if we release more than four players without adding anyone).

The other numbers he lists for cap savings don't take the Rule of 51 into account, either. For every guy we release, another guy's base salary gets added to the cap, as long as we have at least 51 guys still under contract or tendered for 2009 (we have 55 right now). So, for example, when he says we'd save $2 million for releasing Brad Johnson, we'd actually save $1.69 million of cap room if we released him right now. But the media almost never takes the Rule of 51 into consideration, either because they don't know about it, don't know how to figure it out or don't want to bother explaining it to their readers.
I was just about to write that exact thing.
 

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AdamJT13;2630231 said:
Well, Clarence just outed himself in the Daily Zone, so maybe he's still reading the board and will see this.

Roy's cap number right now is $6.62 million. If we release him, it will be $4.44 million. That's a savings of $2.18 million on HIS cap number. But because of the Rule of 51, when he is released, the base salary of the player with the 52nd-highest cap number starts counting against the cap. Right now, that would be a charge of $310,000, so the net cap savings for releasing Roy would be $1.87 million. That number could be different if/when we release him, depending on the status of our roster in regard to the Rule of 51 at the time (if we sign more players with base salaries of at least $385,000 before then, or if we release more than four players without adding anyone).

The other numbers he lists for cap savings don't take the Rule of 51 into account, either. For every guy we release, another guy's base salary gets added to the cap, as long as we have at least 51 guys still under contract or tendered for 2009 (we have 55 right now). So, for example, when he says we'd save $2 million for releasing Brad Johnson, we'd actually save $1.69 million of cap room if we released him right now. But the media almost never take the Rule of 51 into consideration, either because they don't know about it, don't know how to figure it out or don't want to bother explaining it to their readers.

Insane. How you know every number, hypothetical number, backdoor penny pinching maneuver possible to the cap is insane.

Any way you can get me Ware's autograph? There is no way in hell that you DON'T work for the team.
 

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Hoofbite;2630248 said:
Insane. How you know every number, hypothetical number, backdoor penny pinching maneuver possible to the cap is insane.

Any way you can get me Ware's autograph? There is no way in hell that you DON'T work for the team.

He lives in seattle...or so i was told

Damn smart guy who ever he is...maybe hes bill gates?
 

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AdamJT13;2630231 said:
Well, Clarence just outed himself in the Daily Zone, so maybe he's still reading the board and will see this.

Roy's cap number right now is $6.62 million. If we release him, it will be $4.44 million. That's a savings of $2.18 million on HIS cap number. But because of the Rule of 51, when he is released, the base salary of the player with the 52nd-highest cap number starts counting against the cap. Right now, that would be a charge of $310,000, so the net cap savings for releasing Roy would be $1.87 million. That number could be different if/when we release him, depending on the status of our roster in regard to the Rule of 51 at the time (if we sign more players with base salaries of at least $385,000 before then, or if we release more than four players without adding anyone).

The other numbers he lists for cap savings don't take the Rule of 51 into account, either. For every guy we release, another guy's base salary gets added to the cap, as long as we have at least 51 guys still under contract or tendered for 2009 (we have 55 right now). So, for example, when he says we'd save $2 million for releasing Brad Johnson, we'd actually save $1.69 million of cap room if we released him right now. But the media almost never take the Rule of 51 into consideration, either because they don't know about it, don't know how to figure it out or don't want to bother explaining it to their readers.

Any idea which players we want to pick up in FA? :D
 

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cowboyjoe;2630124 said:
February 09, 2009
Pacman gone today, who else might be leaving?

*LB Greg Ellis, who has predicted this day would come the last three years. Now that his snaps were significantly reduced this past season, he is even more sure that the time is now because of his $6.25 million cap number for next year and $4.15 base salary. Ellis was a starter in name only at the end of the season because Wade Phillips didn't want to cause in more trouble. Anthony Spencer played primarily on first and second down with Ellis serving as a nickel pass rusher. There is nothing wrong with paying a premium for such an important niche role. Ellis just has it in his head that the Cowboys are not going to pay him that much money to do it. The Cowboys could actually save $5.6 million by cutting Ellis.
I have been a fan of Greg, but it is time to cut him loose :starspin
 

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DWhite Fan;2630258 said:
I have been a fan of Greg, but it is time to cut him loose :starspin
I a fan of his for about 10 weeks a year :laugh2:
I'm hoping he's gone more than almost any other move.
 

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AdamJT13;2630231 said:
Well, Clarence just outed himself in the Daily Zone, so maybe he's still reading the board and will see this.

Roy's cap number right now is $6.62 million. If we release him, it will be $4.44 million. That's a savings of $2.18 million on HIS cap number. But because of the Rule of 51, when he is released, the base salary of the player with the 52nd-highest cap number starts counting against the cap. Right now, that would be a charge of $310,000, so the net cap savings for releasing Roy would be $1.87 million. That number could be different if/when we release him, depending on the status of our roster in regard to the Rule of 51 at the time (if we sign more players with base salaries of at least $385,000 before then, or if we release more than four players without adding anyone).

The other numbers he lists for cap savings don't take the Rule of 51 into account, either. For every guy we release, another guy's base salary gets added to the cap, as long as we have at least 51 guys still under contract or tendered for 2009 (we have 55 right now). So, for example, when he says we'd save $2 million for releasing Brad Johnson, we'd actually save $1.69 million of cap room if we released him right now. But the media almost never take the Rule of 51 into consideration, either because they don't know about it, don't know how to figure it out or don't want to bother explaining it to their readers.

:write:

Thanks Adam! Knew you wouldn't let us down.
 

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AdamJT13;2630133 said:
SOMEBODY in the Dallas media needs to learn at least the basic facts about salary cap rules.

Releasing Roy WOULD NOT save $4.4 million. It would save less than $2 million.

Nice breakdown.

Do you know if the #s for the other players correct?

Still saving $2 mill on a guy who hasn't been good since his rookie year, can't tackle, can't cover, and is lazy wouldn't be such a bad thing.
 

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AbeBeta;2630279 said:
Nice breakdown.

Do you know if the #s for the other players correct?

Still saving $2 mill on a guy who hasn't been good since his rookie year, can't tackle, can't cover, and is lazy wouldn't be such a bad thing.

Other than not accounting for the Rule of 51, they are correct. So subtract $310,000 each from the savings he listed to get the actual savings (at the moment) for releasing Ellis, Henry and Johnson.
 

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AdamJT13;2630307 said:
Other than not accounting for the Rule of 51, they are correct. So subtract $310,000 each from the savings he listed to get the actual savings (at the moment) for releasing Ellis, Henry and Johnson.

so what does your dad do with TO? keeps him? releases him?
 

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iRoot4Losers;2630311 said:
so what does your dad do with TO? keeps him? releases him?
:laugh2:

I'd get rid of everyone of those players listed in the OP.

Brad - nuff said

Roy - doesn't want to play ball he wants to preach and doesn't feel comfortable in the defense

Ellis - his whining and dumbness outway his production

Henry - too slow and injury prone
 
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