adamjt - cap question(s)

[iceberg]

adam - can you clarify a few points on the cap and players so hopefully we can determine if the 'mob mentality' has a chance in hell?

1. cut/trade/ roy williams. what would our hit be?
2. crayton - despite having a great career, 1 drop suddenly makes you worthless. so even though we just resigned him and people with short term memories forget that *and* all he did before that drop, some want him cut. what would that hit be?

i realize emotions make people say crazy things, but i'd like to fully understand at least cutting roy williams. i think people will chill out on crayton cause he just signed anyway.

 

[fortdick]

It just wasn't the drop. Quitting on the that route at the end of the game was the killer.

Crayton is a possession type receiver. We already got a pretty good one of those. We need someone that can out run man coverage. Craytong will be a number 3 receiver until TO is gone, then maybe he can step into that role. We need someone to do what Glenn used to do.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Every year the Cowboys don't win or fail in the playoffs, folks want to see drastic changes. Doesn't really matter how logical it is, they just want to see that Jerry is doing something to get the 'boys over the hump.

Right now Crayton and Roy represent Dallas' failure, so folks figure if they cut them and replace them with [Insert flavor of the month - draft highlight] or [Insert no chance in hell free agent], then that means they'll get over the hump.

If Jerry doesn't make a splash in free agency, but makes some calculated moves, he's not doing anything. If they don't make a big move in the draft, it's met with criticism.

I don't know that this team needs drastic changes. I think they need to upgrade a couple spots, but mass cuts and mayhem really isn't required, IMO.

 

[iceberg]

It just wasn't the drop. Quitting on the that route at the end of the game was the killer.

Crayton is a possession type receiver. We already got a pretty good one of those. We need someone that can out run man coverage. Craytong will be a number 3 receiver until TO is gone, then maybe he can step into that role. We need someone to do what Glenn used to do.

yep. crayton is a #3 WR and a bad PR/KR man. no doubt. but we resigned him and he's going nowhere. the calls to cut him are just emotional outbursts.

this isn't about crayton for the most part - i just want to be clear on the cap hit to lose roy williams like so many of the emotional vocals seem to want.

 

[iceberg]

Every year the Cowboys don't win or fail in the playoffs, folks want to see drastic changes. Doesn't really matter how logical it is, they just want to see that Jerry is doing something to get the 'boys over the hump.

Right now Crayton and Roy represent Dallas' failure, so folks figure if they cut them and replace them with [Insert flavor of the month - draft highlight] or [Insert no chance in hell free agent], then that means they'll get over the hump.

I don't know that this team needs drastic changes. I think they need to upgrade a couple spots, but mass cuts and mayhem really isn't required, IMO.

i agree totally, wg. yes roy has some problems and no, he's not who he used to be. but we've got bigger needs to fill than losing a scape goat. like you say, people want to see jerry make the moves he made when he was young and emotional. if jones were to actually make these moves the "roy haters" would love it till they saw the rest of the effects of that move. then suddenly jones is an idiot again.

it's easy to demand the world changes when you hold no responsibility for those changes.

 

[theogt]

Cutting Roy would cost us an additional $720,000 and cutting Crayton would cost us about $2.6 million.

So, for Roy, the cost to keep is $5.94 million and the cost to cut is $6.66 million.

And, for Cratyon, the cost to keep is about $2.2 million and the cost to cut is about $4.8 million.

 

[fortdick]

yep. crayton is a #3 WR and a bad PR/KR man. no doubt. but we resigned him and he's going nowhere. the calls to cut him are just emotional outbursts.

this isn't about crayton for the most part - i just want to be clear on the cap hit to lose roy williams like so many of the emotional vocals seem to want.

I have always stayed outta the "I love/hate Roy Williams" discussions because he always gave us a strong position against the run and that kinda made up for the lack of coverage skills. He even showed flashes of brilliance in coverage from time to time (remeber the McNabb pick when Donovan got run over). I always thought of him as being a solid contributer.

This year, however, he was s straight up liability. Maybe next year he changes his number, rededicates himself, gets circumcised, whatever, and comes out ready to play. That would be great. But we can;t have the Roy Williams that was on the field this year out there next.

 

[iceberg]

Cutting Roy would cost us $720,000 and cutting Crayton would cost us about $2.6 million.

i would have thought cutting roy would have cost us much more than that. you sure about that #?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Cutting Roy would cost us $720,000 and cutting Crayton would cost us about $2.6 million.

Per season?

 

[DaBoyz73]

Every year the Cowboys don't win or fail in the playoffs, folks want to see drastic changes. Doesn't really matter how logical it is, they just want to see that Jerry is doing something to get the 'boys over the hump.

Right now Crayton and Roy represent Dallas' failure, so folks figure if they cut them and replace them with [Insert flavor of the month - draft highlight] or [Insert no chance in hell free agent], then that means they'll get over the hump.

If Jerry doesn't make a splash in free agency, but makes some calculated moves, he's not doing anything. If they don't make a big move in the draft, it's met with criticism.

I don't know that this team needs drastic changes. I think they need to upgrade a couple spots, but mass cuts and mayhem really isn't required, IMO.

What postions would you upgrade if you were JJ?

 

[WDN]

Cutting Roy would cost us $720,000 and cutting Crayton would cost us about $2.6 million.

Where did you get these numbers? I believe that they are much higher for Roy and giving an extension to Crayton makes cutting him a non-issue.

 

[theogt]

i would have thought cutting roy would have cost us much more than that. you sure about that #?

Sorry, I didn't explain. That's what it would cost us in addition to what it would cost us to keep him.

So, for Roy, the cost to keep is $5.94 million and the cost to cut is $6.66 million.

 

[iceberg]

Sorry, I didn't explain. That's what it would cost us in addition to what it would cost us to keep him.

So, for Roy, the cost to keep is $5.94 million and the cost to cut is $6.66 million.

nice fill in for adamjt. : )

wow - 666 to cut roy. that's freaky man.

 

[WoodysGirl]

What postions would you upgrade if you were JJ?

In no particular order, CB, WR, and RB.

I think the running game could be solid if the team committed to running the ball with a bit more rhythm.

 

[iceberg]

In no particular order, CB, WR, and RB.

I think the running game could be solid if the team committed to running the ball with a bit more rhythm.

i'd put OL on the list but to watch and maybe a 2nd tier need with what you list as our 1st tier. we've made some moves and don't know what 3 of those players will do. but if we see some talent there on a BPA level i'd not mind us continuing to focus on the line.

 

[theogt]

nice fill in for adamjt. : )

wow - 666 to cut roy. that's freaky man.

Haha. Didn't even notice. Now people will be convinced he's the debul.

 

[DaBoyz73]

In no particular order, CB, WR, and RB.

I think the running game could be solid if the team committed to running the ball with a bit more rhythm.

Yeah, that was what I was thinking. I would love to get Roy from Detroit with our 28th pick.

 

[WoodysGirl]

i'd put OL on the list but to watch and maybe a 2nd tier need with what you list as our 1st tier. we've made some moves and don't know what 3 of those players will do. but if we see some talent there on a BPA level i'd not mind us continuing to focus on the line.

ice, you crack me up with wanting more OL every year.

They've got some young guys at OL already. I don't know that they need to address that position this year. Gotta give McQ, Free, Marten a chance to see what they can do.

Colombo and Flo are question marks simply because Colombo is only signed for one more year and Flo is an UFA. What they do with those guys will say alot about how they address the OL.

Yeah, that was what I was thinking. I would love to get Roy from Detroit with our 28th pick.

I don't think Roy (Det) is going anywhere and he's a bit more fragile than I'd like. I'm a sucker for Fitz, personally. That's if they go WR in FA.

 

[DaBoyz73]

I don't think Roy (Det) is going anywhere and he's a bit more fragile than I'd like. I'm a sucker for Fitz, personally. That's if they go WR in FA.

Now that you said it, Fitz would be my first option.

 

[iceberg]

ice, you crack me up with wanting more OL every year.

They've got some young guys at OL already. I don't know that they need to address that position this year. Gotta give McQ, Free, Marten a chance to see what they can do.

Colombo and Flo are question marks simply because Colombo is only signed for one more year and Flo is an UFA. What they do with those guys will say alot about how they address the OL.


I don't think Roy (Det) is going anywhere and he's a bit more fragile than I'd like. I'm a sucker for Fitz, personally. That's if they go WR in FA.

i can't help it, wg. the game is won/lost there. i do agree we've got (3) players we need to see what they can do and toss on houck to see what he needs/wants, so i've chilled somewhat on that.

fitz would far and away be my choice. i love roy from a UT perspective and he's a legit #1, but like you say, he's hurt a lot. we spent some cash for a game and a half from glenn and he's going to be around for a few more years as it is likely. i don't want to see us get another fragile WR at such a high cost. if we did that, i'd just have to hope.