After Wade: HC Du Jour or Long Term Guy?

[CoCo]

As a follow-up to Wade versus other current NFL Head Coaches I ask the following...

Since Wade is up there in years, and some consider his tenure here about fixing the defense anyway, once he moves/is moved on, would you prefer his replacement be...

a) the best match for our then current needs (a la BP & Wade) or HC Du Jour.

b) a guy that in any given year may not be the best match for our needs but would provide continuity over 10+ years a la Landry.

It seems to me that Jerry's style is a bit "du jour" with the Switzer, Gailey & Parcells hires. I think Jimmy was intended to be a long term hire but it simply wasn't in his genes.

This is not at all to suggest that Landry, Noll, Shula etc were substandard but rather might not be as sexy a candidate as coordinator off the latest SB winner in a given year.

If Garrett takes over as HC in say 2-3 years, would you hang with him if the coach of the latest college national championship became available?

 

[Alexander]

To me, it is obvious that Phillips is short-timing it with Garrett on a fast track.

Now, things could change based on how well Garrett does, but I firmly believe that is the plan.

If Garrett is hired, it is intended to be a long-term hire as most are. But it is fairly clear that Phillips was not.

 

[Hostile]

To me, it is obvious that Phillips is short-timing it with Garrett on a fast track.

Now, things could change based on how well Garrett does, but I firmly believe that is the plan.

If Garrett is hired, it is intended to be a long-term hire as most are. But it is fairly clear that Phillips was not.

I agree with this. Wade is in his 60's after all and this is probably his last stop on the carousel. I think Garrett can be penciled in right now as our 8th HC.

 

[CoCo]

To me, it is obvious that Phillips is short-timing it with Garrett on a fast track.

Now, things could change based on how well Garrett does, but I firmly believe that is the plan.

If Garrett is hired, it is intended to be a long-term hire as most are. But it is fairly clear that Phillips was not.

And we also knew Parcells was not a long term hire, nor was Switzer a likely long term guy.

Add the fact that a primary reason Gailey was ushered out was that he didn't fit with maximizing the present (Aikman, Irvin etc).

Making a long term hire means that you willingly ride out some years where your HC may not be the best fit for current needs. I'm not sure Jerry can resist trying to maximize the present.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think how the team does under Phillips will determine how long he remains the HC.

 

[adamknite]

I see Phillips as the head coach, 4 years tops. If Garrett shows enough during his "training" (sorry couldn't think of a better word) then he's going to be the long term hire after Wade.

 

[ZeroClub]

I want both.

What's wrong with a young coach who maximizes the present?

Mangini & Payton are doing that with their franchises (so far).

 

[AbeBeta]

I agree with this. Wade is in his 60's after all and this is probably his last stop on the carousel. I think Garrett can be penciled in right now as our 8th HC.

Sure -- but my only concern here is that if we have some success this year -- especially if Romo has a great year and the O is firing on all cylinders -- that Garrett is going to get an offer elsewhere. I'd expect that a team like the Giants has him in their sights if they make a move. Any team with a young QB might have an interest.

I know folks are going to say "but he won't give up a chance to coach the Cowboys!" or "but Jerry promised him!" or "but Jerry can pay him more to stay." All that is nothing compared to a legit offer to start as an HC sooner rather than (maybe) later.

The Garrett plan was clearly hatched with another year or two of Parcells in mind. Bill would be the HC, Garrett would learn, and then we have a smooth transition.

Now the picture isn't so clear. Jerry may be trying to be a little too cute here -- he may end up having to either fire a successful Wade Phillips early or lose Garrett.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sure -- but my only concern here is that if we have some success this year -- especially if Romo has a great year and the O is firing on all cylinders -- that Garrett is going to get an offer elsewhere. I'd expect that a team like the Giants has him in their sights if they make a move. Any team with a young QB might have an interest.

I know folks are going to say "but he won't give up a chance to coach the Cowboys!" or "but Jerry promised him!" or "but Jerry can pay him more to stay." All that is nothing compared to a legit offer to start as an HC sooner rather than (maybe) later.

The Garrett plan was clearly hatched with another year or two of Parcells in mind. Bill would be the HC, Garrett would learn, and then we have a smooth transition.

Now the picture isn't so clear. Jerry may be trying to be a little too cute here -- he may end up having to either fire a successful Wade Phillips early or lose Garrett.

I think the plan as of right now is Garrett will get his chance to coach in Dallas however plans change and should Phillips have great success then I would expect him to be around for a while.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think the plan as of right now is Garrett will get his chance to coach in Dallas however plans change and should Phillips have great success then I would expect him to be around for a while.

But let me ask - if the team stinks under Phillips and he is fired, then how can we justify hiring a guy who was part of an awful staff?

 

[Alexander]

But let me ask - if the team stinks under Phillips and he is fired, then how can we justify hiring a guy who was part of an awful staff?

Good question.

But Phillips' epitath with be written with the defense in mind. If it fails, so does he.

If the offense does not do well and the defense at least treads water, he might be fired, but I doubt anyone could feel justified in giving the coordinator responsible the head coaching job.

 

[Doomsday101]

But let me ask - if the team stinks under Phillips and he is fired, then how can we justify hiring a guy who was part of an awful staff?

How could New Orleans sign Payton? How could Turner be signed as HC of SD after poor outings with the Skins and Raiders?

 

[AbeBeta]

How could New Orleans sign Payton? How could Turner be signed as HC of SD after poor outings with the Skins and Raiders?

Teams likely realized that Payton was working with some mediocre talent here. He's a QB guy and he had Carter-Testeverde-Bledsoe -- Carter he got to the playoffs with -- the other two aren't going to change their games at all. Also, he comes from a hugely successful coaching tree.

Re: SD. They are very stupid.

 

[Doomsday101]

Teams likely realized that Payton was working with some mediocre talent here. He's a QB guy and he had Carter-Testeverde-Bledsoe -- Carter he got to the playoffs with -- the other two aren't going to change their games at all. Also, he comes from a hugely successful coaching tree.

Re: SD. They are very stupid.

What I'm getting at is an owner and or GM hire people they believe in. There are guys who have failed in this league only to get opportunities elsewhere.

 

[AbeBeta]

What I'm getting at is an owner and or GM hire people they believe in.

Beginning to smell a lot like Dave Campo in here.

 

[superpunk]

Long-term?

I doubt Jerry or our idiot fans have the patience for that. You'd have to endure some bare times, like Pitt did with Cowher, because you're not getting another Landry run. So, just give me the best coach for the moment. One who can keep the team running well, who is proven to be competent, who might provide a spark. After it's gone, give me someone else. I don't care who he coached before, or who he tells us stories about.

 

[Doomsday101]

Beginning to smell a lot like Dave Campo in here.

We shall see, I don't think that is going to be the case. I think Jerry will give Phillips the freedom to do what needs to be done.

 

[ZeroClub]

Sure -- but my only concern here is that if we have some success this year -- especially if Romo has a great year and the O is firing on all cylinders -- that Garrett is going to get an offer elsewhere. I'd expect that a team like the Giants has him in their sights if they make a move. Any team with a young QB might have an interest.

I know folks are going to say "but he won't give up a chance to coach the Cowboys!" or "but Jerry promised him!" or "but Jerry can pay him more to stay." All that is nothing compared to a legit offer to start as an HC sooner rather than (maybe) later.

The Garrett plan was clearly hatched with another year or two of Parcells in mind. Bill would be the HC, Garrett would learn, and then we have a smooth transition.

Now the picture isn't so clear. Jerry may be trying to be a little too cute here -- he may end up having to either fire a successful Wade Phillips early or lose Garrett.

Not arguing, just curious - What leads you to say this (i.e., that Jerry clearly planned for Garrett to understudy Parcells for a few years)?

My impression is that Jerry always thought highly of Garrett. It has been reported that Jerry tried to hire Garrett as a coach back in 1999. link

 

[AbeBeta]

Not arguing, just curious - What leads you to say this (i.e., that Jerry clearly planned for Garrett to understudy Parcells for a few years)?

My impression is that Jerry always thought highly of Garrett. It has been reported that Jerry tried to hire Garrett as a coach back in 1999. link

I'd read a couple of reports at the end of the season that one of Jerry's top priorities was bringing Garrett onto the staff. That was before Bill quit -- and as we know, Jerry expected Bill to stay -- and even offered him more money to do so.

 

[ZeroClub]

I'd read a couple of reports at the end of the season that one of Jerry's top priorities was bringing Garrett onto the staff. That was before Bill quit -- and as we know, Jerry expected Bill to stay -- and even offered him more money to do so.

Great. Thanks. I hadn't read those reports.