Agrument With an E-Girls Fan

ejthedj

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I thought you guys might appreciate the whipping I handed this E-Girl fan in my fantasy league...

Here's my first message:

If Dallas sucks, then the E-girls are in big trouble.

The game I saw, Dallas dominated yards and time of possession. If we don't make awful mistake after awful mistake, we win big. The defense dominated except for a few mistakes by a rookie safety and short fields created by Bledsoe.

5 turnovers and three big errors by the defense, and we still had a shot to tie at the end.

And this was your Katrina game on your home field. Dallas wins by 14 on a neutral field and by 21 at home.

See the E-girls on X-mas!!

Any Eagle fan who isn't wearing rose-colored glasses is very afraid. I came away confident cause I figured we'd lose given the emotion factor. Even New Orleans looked good against Atlanta. Good luck once Westbrook goes down permanetly.


Here's his response:

Jenkins,

I guess you were watching another game. First of all the Eagles had more total yards than the Cowboys, as a matter of fact Donnie passed for more yards than the entire Dallas team got combined. The reason Dallas was able to hang on to the ball for 36 minutes is because it did not take the Eagles very long to score.

The Eagles made some pretty horid mistakes as well. They didn't score from the 14 of Dallas, McNabb's ugly interception and the TD run back, the pass interference call at the end of the game, etc.

The truth is that Eagles are a much better team than Dallas is this year. Our offense is better and we were able to get to Drew 12 times sacking him 7. The cowboys secondary is not very good since Donnie picked them apart all day. The Eagles are deeper on both sides of the ball. To say Dallas will win by 21 at home is laughable. If the Eagles are 100% they would have won that game by 4TD's instead of 2.

The bottom line is that the Eagles won by 2 TD's and when we play on Dec. 25th it is going to be even worse for Dallas fans. There is NO ONE on that Dallas team that poses a threat to any DENFENSE and please don't say Tony Romo.


Now, Here's My Butt-Whipping:

First, AllStar says the Eagles made more mistakes. Just idiotic.
His examples:
a) They didn't score from the 14 (where's the mistake, sounds like good D -- Donovan didn't miss anybody wide open or anything)
b)McNabb's INT -- was caused by a huge sack and a great snag by Ware -- not a mistake
c)The end of the game pass interferenc -- Saved you guys from a TD!!! And didn't end up costing you

All of these arguments go in my favor, plus Dallas had 5 turnovers on the road and still almost won. Here's my examples of mistakes (that really are)
a) The eagles got 7 points b/c our punter dropped the snap. I guess you're counting on that happening again in December? BTW, if this doesn't happen, Dallas is tied and at your 5 with no time left. We kick the fg and win instead of the pick.
b)2 guys were covering the flea flicker -- should have been picked, but you got a TD
c) A safety forgot to cover your TE, leading to another score.
d) On the Baskett TD, our Dlineman had McNabb dead for a big sack and just whiffed.
e) Bledsoe misses TO for a wide open TD and throws a pick (there was no pressure)
f) Bledsoe (again no pressure) throws an awful pick at the end

So, all of your TDs came off of silly mistakes MOSTLY because you had the crowd and the emotion -- won't happen at Texas Stadium.

Second, AllStar claims the truth is that The Eg-girls are much better. Anybody who watched that game can't say that...plus, Dallas looked way better than did the Eagles. Here's a nonbiased source, Len Pasquarelli, "In the long run, though, many came away from the contest believing the Cowboys had outplayed the Eagles in several facets, and Dallas might ultimately become the better team. Right or wrong, such a suspicion was based on two factors: First, despite surrendering seven sacks and five turnovers, and with quarterback Drew Bledsoe playing miserably, Dallas still had a chance in the closing seconds to send the game into overtime. Second (and far more meaningful), the Cowboys have assembled a defense that could emerge as a terrific unit."

This leads to AllStar's third argument -- the Egirls D is much better. This is just a lie.
a) Check the stats -- the Egirls had 60 more yards, but over 180 came on the three big play mistakes. Dallas held the ball for more than 15 minutes more than the Egirls.
b) The Egirls were 2-12 on 3rd down -- this is the best (statistical) offense in the NFL
c)Yearly d stats -- YPG: Dallas 291, Egirls - 335. And the Egirls have played the Texans, Green Bay, and San Fran. Give me a break! You have 6 ints in 5 games, and 4 were last game...lol.
d) Just look at the players -- Dallas has more youth and more talent. Anyone with a Brain knows the Egirls D is there weak spot and the Boys D is strong.
e) Finally, lets tally the Eagirls drives...except for the few mistakes, Dallas played great and the egirls couldn't get going
1) 5 plays, 15 yds
2) 3 plays, -7 yds
3) 4 plays, -68 yds and a TD given up to Ware (who is better than any 2 players on the EGirls combined)
4) 4 plays, 61 yds, TD. 60 came to LJ on a blown coverage. then it took 3 plays to get 1 yd
5) 7 plays, 12 yds
6) 4 plays, 2 yds
7) 4 plays, 9 yds
8) 1 play, 87 yds, TD (missed sack)
9) 5 plays, 26 yds
10) 3 plays, 0 yds (lol)
11) 4 plays, 76 yds (almost all on flea flicker which should have been picked)
12) 5 plays, 20 yds.

Subtract the errors, and the egirls sucked -- won't happen at our place.

Fourth, AllStar claims Donovan picked apart the secondary and our secondary sucks. Wrong. We have 2 all pros. Over 180 passing yds came on 3 blown plays, all by our rookie starting fs. He'll be better by Dec.

Fifith, AllStar claims they are deeper -- My ***. We are deeper at WR, RB, LB, Secondary, QB, TE -- no argument. We tie on DLine. They win oline, that's it. He's just wrong.

Sixth,if the Egirls were 100% -- excuses, lame. Everybody has injuries and u weren't missing much.

Seventh, AllStar claims no one on the Cowboys poses a threat to their D. Ummm, that's not what Andy Reid said. That's not what the score said (24 points), that's not what the yardage said (over 320), that's not what JJ said (over 150 total yards), and you really think the All Pros TO, Glenn, and Witten pose no threat? Gimme a break.

There you have it -- an argumentative *** whipping. It's really easy when you have the facts on your side. Despite the hostile environment and everybody on the Egirls playing their hearts out, Dallas giving up a 10 point head start, turning the ball over 5 times, and blowing assignments from mental farts, We still had the chance to tie with 30 seconds left.

Without McNabb, the Egirls are a 6-10 team. That's just the truth. Swithc McNabb and Blesdsoe, and the Boys would go 14-2. The egirls will go 10-6 this year. Anybody who watched the game saw the better team lost. Even Egirl fans (the ultimate, loser homers) were starting to worry. We will by at least 14 in Dallas -- and it won't be that close.



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The Eagles beat Dallas fair and square. I'll give them that. Still, I don't get the "Eagles are so much better" argument. They had everything stacked in their favor in probably their biggest regular season game in franchise history.

They outgained Dallas by 63 yards, but Dallas doesn't get yardage for the 57 yard pass interference which Glenn would've caught had he not been interfered with.

So in reality, they outgained Dallas by a total of 6 yards and they were up 7 points with Dallas on the 6 yard line before the refs missed the illegal contact by Trotter on Witten (although I don't believe Bledsoe can win the game in OT anyway).

I wouldn't be too quick to concede them the division. We obviously had no issues running the ball and moved the ball pretty well for that matter against their defense. We spotted them 10 points and shut down their running game.

Philly probably threw every type of blitz package they could at Dallas, so now Dallas should be prepared for that. My main concern is still Bledsoe, whom when things aren't going right he can kill the game for Dallas, but if Dallas can go 4-2, they'll be no worse than 1 game behind Philly. And if they can stick with Philly and meet them on Xmas day, you have to like Dallas' chances.


YAKUZA
 

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Oh yeah, they beat us fair and square. I'm not complaining about that...

I'm just saying that the game i saw, we looked better than them absent stupid and unfortunate big plays, which I say is tied to the emotion of the game.

He started it -- saying we suck and won;t make the playoffs. I'm not saying we definetly will, but if we suck, then the egirls better start questioning themselves as well.
 

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Your entire argument basicly comes down to saying that Dallas mistakes had nothing to do with anything the Eagles did, while all the Eagles mistakes were forced by the Cowboys. Where is your mention of LJ Smith dropping a pass IN the end zone? Where is your mention of Lito Sheppard dropping an EASY interception? All the drops by wide open Eagles receivers?
 

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No, Tobias, I had many more arguments, but I'm glad u got part of it. That's good for an E-girls fan!!!

And, yes, I am right on that point, too. We looked better, and you know it. Most of those mistakes had nothing to do with what the E-girls did -- and they led to 35 of your points.

Another one bites the dust...
 

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The Eagles fans are so used to getting their hearts broken that they are very fickle. Today they are all saying how they dominated the Cowboys, but Sunday they weren't so sure for much of the game.

The crowd was pumped up at the start and was in a frenzy after the turnovers led to a 10 point lead. But when Ware scored, a lot of wind went out of their sails. Every time the Cowboys came back, the fans would start acting like "oh no, here we go again". The memories of the Giants game this year and Roy's int last year are still fresh.

Every time the Evils would score, the crowd would go crazy and start singing their stupid fight song, but every time the Cowboys came back they got very nervous. Some sarcastic fans around us were criticizing "Fat Andy" for the play calling (especially on an incomplete pass on 3rd and inches) and the lack of running game. One even went on a hilarious rant about the music being played over the loud speakers. "Hey they're playing Abacab by that fruity Phil Collins. What's next, Sussuido? Where is the AC/DC?"

They were in a frenzy when Bledsoe was sacked 3 plays in a row, but after the pass interference call set the Cowboys up for the tying score with seconds remaining, no one in the stadium was saying that Dallas sucked.

At least not until they were done singing the Lido Shuffle.
 

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TobiasEagle77;1083783 said:
Where is your mention of LJ Smith dropping a pass IN the end zone?

The Eagles scored a touchdown two plays later, so that's irrelevant.

Where is your mention of Lito Sheppard dropping an EASY interception?

Also irrelevant, since the Cowboys punted on the very next play.

All the drops by wide open Eagles receivers?

Both teams dropped passes.

Did the Eagles muff a punt snap and give Dallas the ball at the 12, setting up a touchdown? Did the Eagles have a rookie blow two coverages for 147 yards, scoring one touchdown and setting up another from the 1? Of course not. Given that the two defensive touchdowns balance out, the Cowboys' mistakes were FAR more costly than the Eagles' mistakes.

The odds of another muffed punt snap next time are almost zero. And the odds of Patrick Watkins blowing the coverage on two long passes resulting in touchdowns might be higher, but I'll bet it doesn't happen next time.
 

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TobiasEagle77;1083783 said:
Your entire argument basicly comes down to saying that Dallas mistakes had nothing to do with anything the Eagles did, while all the Eagles mistakes were forced by the Cowboys. Where is your mention of LJ Smith dropping a pass IN the end zone? Where is your mention of Lito Sheppard dropping an EASY interception? All the drops by wide open Eagles receivers?

the shepherd missed INT was a blown play and it was pretty big.

But you have to admit the cowboys gave your team a few too many freebies, but thats what home field advantage is all about.
 

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Hoov;1084097 said:
the shepherd missed INT was a blown play and it was pretty big.

No it wasn't. We punted to the Eagles on the next play, so they got the ball anyway.
 

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I guess it's a matter of perspective. From my perspective, I felt the Eagles left alot of points on the field. At the half, it felt like the Eagles should be ahead... not behind, and I remember the announcers echoing that sentiment.

Regardless, mistakes are part of football and the better team usually makes less of them. If you want to consider your team the better team yesterday, maybe it'll help you feel better, but it won't help you get to the playoffs. I can tell you that last years game, in Dallas, I felt the Eagles dominated... with the exception of a few mistakes at the end. But it sure didn't make me feel any better...
 

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They looked like the better team Sunday.

In the NFL you never know what tomorrow brings. Christmas things could be different, but today Philadelphia is better than Dallas. It showed Sunday. I hate saying that.
 

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Yakuza Rich;1083753 said:
The Eagles beat Dallas fair and square. I'll give them that.

Yes I agree, and a pretty decent called games from the ref. A few plays of questionable calls, on both teams. But I believe it was Flozell got away with a tremendous hold, pulling the DL's jersey.

Yakuza Rich;1083753 said:
I wouldn't be too quick to concede them the division.

Right, it's still early. Philly has a tough 2nd half schedule with 3 road divisional games in a row I believe.

Yakuza Rich;1083753 said:
Philly probably threw every type of blitz package they could at Dallas, so now Dallas should be prepared for that.

Now only will we be pepared, so will every other team they play. They may just have prematurely blew their blitz load.
 

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Blue&Silver;1084124 said:
They looked like the better team Sunday.

In the NFL you never know what tomorrow brings. Christmas things could be different, but today Philadelphia is better than Dallas. It showed Sunday. I hate saying that.

and by xmas we'll be IMO, the better team
 

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AdamJT13;1084111 said:
No it wasn't. We punted to the Eagles on the next play, so they got the ball anyway.

it would have been pretty demoralizing to the team had that INT resulted in points for philly
 

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Hoov;1084195 said:
it would have been pretty demoralizing to the team had that INT resulted in points for philly

Probably would have been at least an extra 30 to 40 yards of field position, for the Eagles.
 

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Eagles: W (4-1)
Cowboys: L (2-2)

Any other discussion as to why doesn't change the above information. Does it? Accept the Eagles were the better team yesterday and move on.
 

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EagleHarry;1084515 said:
Eagles: W (4-1)
Cowboys: L (2-2)

Any other discussion as to why doesn't change the above information. Does it?

not really

now you can go and saunter on back to your ****hole of a board
 

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Yes, the E-girls won...we know. The point is -- you should win division games at home if you are decent, especially grudge games.

And the E-girls almost lost. Despite the Boys making every mistake possible. That should worry you...I'm not sure we'll get the mistakes fixed, but if we fix one more of the ones I mentioned (for instance catch the punt snap) We WIN!!!!

Game Over
 

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ejthedj;1084523 said:
Yes, the E-girls won...we know. The point is -- you should win division games at home if you are decent, especially grudge games.

And the E-girls almost lost. Despite the Boys making every mistake possible. That should worry you...I'm not sure we'll get the mistakes fixed, but if we fix one more of the ones I mentioned (for instance catch the punt snap) We WIN!!!!

Game Over

I agree with you on several points, including the won that Philly made several attempts to give that game away. That being said, if you have watched the NFC East rival games over the years you should know that strange crap happens and you take wins however you can get them.

On being concerned, I'm not. The Cowboys have a very good defense and I expect them to be very stingy. Outside of the 2004 season the Eagles' offense, under the current crew, has always been spotty. They made the plays they needed to make, however they came, and came out on top. As with most teams, sometimes the defense leans on the offense and vice versa for win.
 
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