Aikman vs. Favre?

[LittleBoyBlue]

Aikman
Leadership, committed , tough, accurate, composure

..... Team first, unselfish...

Exactly!


Favre
Selfish, noncommittal, tough (but please note and let everyone know I am tough), inaccurate, noncomposure (leading to untimely pick)

Aikman was twice the QB that Favre was...even their numbers agree.

Aikman 8

Favre 4

Nice!!!!!



Romo twice the QB Favre was? Plus 1 lol

Montana twice as good as Aikman ? Lol

 

[gimmesix]

Not so fast, folks.

Aikman was a tremendous QB, but he had the perfect situation. Farve would have won three titles in Dallas, too.

I don't think he would have. Our first Super Bowl season, Aikman completed 68.5 percent of his passes in the playoffs and threw 8 TDs to no ints. Our second Super Bowl season, he completed an unbelievable 74.4 percent of his passes in the playoffs, even though he did have 3 ints (to 5 TDs). The third one, his completion percentage shrunk to 66.2 in the playoffs, but he had 4 TDs to 1 int.

Favre's career postseason completion percentage is 60.8 with 44 TDs and 30 ints. I'm not sure Dallas could have gotten past San Francisco those first two years with him at QB, even in his prime. (To be fair, Aikman's career postseasons numbers are 63.7 with 23 TDs and 17 ints.)

 

[Garrettop]

Favre is entirely overrated. That isn't to say he was bad, but the extremely high standing he enjoys in the eyes of many is based more on style than substance.

 

[mattjames2010]

Favre is entirely overrated. That isn't to say he was bad, but the extremely high standing he enjoys in the eyes of many is based more on style than substance.

But I think many could just say Aikman is held highly due to '90s nostalgia.

 

[perrykemp]

I don't think he would have. Our first Super Bowl season, Aikman completed 68.5 percent of his passes in the playoffs and threw 8 TDs to no ints. Our second Super Bowl season, he completed an unbelievable 74.4 percent of his passes in the playoffs, even though he did have 3 ints (to 5 TDs). The third one, his completion percentage shrunk to 66.2 in the playoffs, but he had 4 TDs to 1 int.

Favre's career postseason completion percentage is 60.8 with 44 TDs and 30 ints. I'm not sure Dallas could have gotten past San Francisco those first two years with him at QB, even in his prime. (To be fair, Aikman's career postseasons numbers are 63.7 with 23 TDs and 17 ints.)

To me the whole thing quickly devolves into the 'who was better - Emmitt or Barry and how would have they done playing for the opposite team?' type of argument.

We'll never know how Favre could have done playing behind the most dominant OL in NFL history with the most productive RB in NFL history pounding defenses into submission.

We'll never know how Aikman might have done playing for Holmgren in a pass happy but innovative pass offense.

All we know is that Aikman won 3 Superbowls and Favre only won 1.

We know that Favre's career QB rating was 86 and Aikman's was 81.

We know that Favre's INT % rate was slightly higher (1.3 v 1.1) than Aikmans.

We know that Favre's completion % was slightly higher (62 vs 61.5) than Aikmans.

If you look at it from a statistical perspective decent arguements could be made either way.

Where Aikman probably wins the tie-breaker in my mind is he played his best in big games -- and that counts for a lot.

 

[perrykemp]

I don't think he would have. Our first Super Bowl season, Aikman completed 68.5 percent of his passes in the playoffs and threw 8 TDs to no ints. Our second Super Bowl season, he completed an unbelievable 74.4 percent of his passes in the playoffs, even though he did have 3 ints (to 5 TDs). The third one, his completion percentage shrunk to 66.2 in the playoffs, but he had 4 TDs to 1 int.

Aikman and Eli Manning are eerily similar when you think about their Superbowl runs.

 

[Garrettop]

But I think many could just say Aikman is held highly due to '90s nostalgia.

I think it is because of 3 SBs, and especially performances in the first two SB runs.

As far as comparing Favre/Aikman stats, Favre had the benefit of the pro-passing rule adjustments in the end of his career which has inflated QB ratings (and other things) across the board, so that difference is pretty irrelevant.

 

[mattjames2010]

Aikman and Eli Manning are eerily similar when you think about their Superbowl runs.

Along with Joe Flacco and his Super Bowl run.

I appreciated having Ailkman. I think he fit our system back then perfectly and did what he needed to do. My criticisms of him only arise when he is compared to the greatest QBs of all time. The discussions are kinda silly anyways, I usually just like focusing on what he did in his good years with us and what the team accomplished.

 

[Hoov]

Troy but I loved watching Favre play, real exciting. AiKman was a robot shredding

Aikman over favre. But I agree it was really fun to watch favre play

 

[perrykemp]

As far as comparing Favre/Aikman stats, Favre had the benefit of the pro-passing rule adjustments in the end of his career which has inflated QB ratings (and other things) across the board, so that difference is pretty irrelevant.

Actually 4 times in the 2000s Favre finished with a QB rating in the 60 or 70s.

If you look at his career stats they are fascinating. One year is high 30s in TDS, next year is 20s in interceptions, etc etc. His career was a roller-coaster.

Aikman was, on the other hand, very steady.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Aikman and Eli Manning are eerily similar when you think about their Superbowl runs.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Aikman and Eli Manning are eerily similar when you think about their Superbowl runs.

Im really at a loss on responding to something as ridiculous as this . . . . . . . I mean where does one start to address this nonsense to someone that would think something like this?

 

[mattjames2010]

Im really at a loss on responding to something as ridiculous as this . . . . . . . I mean where does one start to address this nonsense to someone that would think something like this?

What? That a mediocre/good QB shines in the playoffs a couple times?

What is nonsense about this?

 

[gimmesix]

To me the whole thing quickly devolves into the 'who was better - Emmitt or Barry and how would have they done playing for the opposite team?' type of argument.

We'll never know how Favre could have done playing behind the most dominant OL in NFL history with the most productive RB in NFL history pounding defenses into submission.

We'll never know how Aikman might have done playing for Holmgren in a pass happy but innovative pass offense.

All we know is that Aikman won 3 Superbowls and Favre only won 1.

We know that Favre's career QB rating was 86 and Aikman's was 81.

We know that Favre's INT % rate was slightly higher (1.3 v 1.1) than Aikmans.

We know that Favre's completion % was slightly higher (62 vs 61.5) than Aikmans.

If you look at it from a statistical perspective decent arguements could be made either way.

Where Aikman probably wins the tie-breaker in my mind is he played his best in big games -- and that counts for a lot.

Yes. It's difficult to judge, so I usually try to stay out of those debates. I do hate it when people call Aikman a system QB. Smart coaches build their system around great QBs, much like Tom Landry adjusted what he ran to what best fit Staubach. While I don't think Favre could have done what Aikman did, I do think Favre would have been a different QB in Dallas given the team built around him and Dallas would have been different offensively in some ways, so who knows what would have happened.

Aikman was certainly a big-game player (although I don't like the comparison to Eli because Aikman also was good during the season, just better during the Super Bowl runs), and likely would have done well anywhere he went. Winning Super Bowls, though, is a combination of being good and being in the right place at the right time.

 

[Craig]

Depends on the team around them.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Favre , he's the 2nd best QB I've seen play.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

What? That a mediocre/good QB shines in the playoffs a couple times?

What is nonsense about this?

No comparing Aikman to E-Lie.

Its complete nonsense if you've seen both of them play.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Favre is easily the better quarterback outside of Packers and Cowboys forums and it's really not even close. Aikman is our guy obviously, and I think you could make a decent case for having him 3rd in the 90s, which is frankly pretty amazing considering who played in that era. Aikman, Young, Favre and Elway all were on Super Bowl winning teams so it's pretty lame to sit here and try to play count the rings as if the other QBs couldn't have won more rings if things broke right for them. I do think Aikman could have carried a far bigger role than he did (while he was healthy), but I can't just automatically assume he could.
Favre won 3 MVPs, Aikman got 3 MVP votes his entire career. Favre was the best player in the NFL in the 90s.

 

[theogt]

Let's set aside career numbers because, to some extent, that's not fair given Favre played so much longer. Instead, let's look at each QB's top 5 seasons. For Aikman this includes '91, '92, '93, '95 and '98. And for Favre, this includes '95, '96, '01, '07 and '09.

For those seasons, here are the stats:

Yards per season:
Aikman - 2,987
Favre - 4,118

Yards per attempt:
Aikman - 7.56
Favre - 7.66

Touchdowns per season:
Aikman - 15.4
Favre - 34

Interceptions per season:
Aikman - 8.4
Favre - 15.4

Passer Rating:
Aikman - 91.6
Favre - 98.5

If you had to choose either QB for their 5 best seasons, which one would you choose?

Favre had 9 seasons of at least 3000 yards and a 90+ passer rating. Aikman had 2 (and only 2 seasons with a 90+ passer rating and only 5 seasons with at least 3000 yards).

There really is no argument that Aikman was better.

 

[Garrettop]

So now the measurement is MVP awards? Well in that case I guess Favre is better than Montana. Or Elway. Or pretty much any QB not named Peyton or Unitas.

"Best player in the NFL" isn't even meaningful unless Favre could dominate in a majority of the other 21 positions in addition to his better than average QB play.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/brief-fact-filled-history-the-nfl-passing-game/6778/

As if quarterbacks hadn't been coddled enough by coaches and rulemakers over the past two decades, one profound game, and one very angry team executive, made their lives even easier in 2004.
One, New England defenders pushed the bounds of pass interference rules in the 2003 AFC championship game, badly roughing up Indianapolis receivers and shutting down the Colts high-powered offense in a 24-14 Patriots victory.
Two, Indy's powerful president, Bill Polian, complained to the league rather loudly in the wake of his team's loss.
As a result, the NFL determined that its officials would "re-emphasize" pass interference rules in 2004 and beyond. Though not officially a rule change, the impact on the passing game was profound.

The very next season, Indy quarterback Peyton Manning (pictured here) went out and rewrote the record books, with 49 TD passes and a 121.1 passer rating that was nearly 10 points better than any that had come before it. The league-wide passer rating, meanwhile, jumped from 78.3 in 2003 to a record 82.8 in 2004.

So toss out Favre's 07/09 numbers.