Aikman wasn't great in the begining and Romo's done well in his first full year

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College career


Oklahoma Sooners 1984-1985

The New York Mets offered Aikman a contract out of high school, but instead of playing baseball he chose to pursue football and attended the University of Oklahoma under head coach Barry Switzer.
In 1985, his first season as a collegiate starter, Aikman led the Sooners to wins over Minnesota, Kansas State, and #17 Texas in the Red River Shootout before hosting the Miami Hurricanes and his future head coach Jimmy Johnson.
On October 19, in front of a sellout crowd of 75,008 at Oklahoma Memorial Stadium in Norman, Miami's Jerome Brown broke through the offensive line, sacked Aikman on the Sooner 29-yard line and broke Aikman's ankle. Aikman, who had been six of eight passing for 131 yards, would be lost for the season. Switzer and offensive coordinator Jim Donnan were forced to switch back to the wishbone offense under freshman quarterback Jamelle Holieway. The team went on to win the 1985 National Championship by beating Penn State in the 1986 Orange Bowl.[1][2] With Holieway established as the starting quarterback at OU, Aikman decided to transfer to UCLA.[3]

UCLA Bruins 1986-1989

Switzer oversaw Aikman's transfer to UCLA, a program under Terry Donahue that was more conducive to a passing quarterback. He had to redshirt one year due to college transfer rules but went on to lead the Bruins to a 20-4 record over two seasons.[3]
As a junior, Aikman led the Bruins to a 10-2 record and the 1987 Aloha Bowl, where they beat the Florida Gators 20-16.[4][5]
As a Senior, Aikman won the 1988 Davey O'Brien Award as the nation's top quarterback, a first for UCLA. He was a Consensus All-American, the UPI West Coast Player of the Year, the Washington DC Club QB of the Year, a finalist for the 1988 AFCA "Coaches Choice" Player of the year award, and he finished third for the 1988 Heisman Trophy. UCLA matched the victory total from the previous season under Aikman, going 10-2 and losing only to USC and Washington State. The season culminated with a 17-3 Bruin victory over the Arkansas Razorbacks in the 1989 Cotton Bowl, which is played in Dallas. The Dallas media spent most of the Cotton Bowl week promoting Aikman as the "next quarterback of the Cowboys," and much was made of Tom Landry watching Troy Aikman practice during the Bruins' workouts at Texas Stadium. Aikman finished his career as the number two career passing leader in UCLA history.[4][5]

Professional career

Aikman was the projected No. 1 overall pick in the 1989 NFL Draft, held by the Cowboys. The franchise had fallen on hard times, going a woeful 3-13 in 1988. On February 25, 1989, new owner Jerry Jones shocked the sports world by firing the beloved Tom Landry - the only head coach the Cowboys ever had - and replacing him with Jimmy Johnson, who, to no one's surprise, took Aikman in the draft. A few months later, in the NFL's supplemental draft, Johnson surprisingly selected quarterback Steve Walsh, who had played for Johnson (and most of the new Cowboys' coaching staff) the previous two years at the University of Miami (going 23-1 as a starter and winning a national championship). However, Aikman won the job over Walsh in training camp and (although Walsh played while Aikman was injured) never relinquished it. Walsh was traded early in the 1990 season.
Johnson did not develop Aikman slowly but instead threw him into action immediately. Meanwhile, Johnson spent the entire season shuffling the depth chart trying to find players talented enough to build a winning team. As a result, Aikman was constantly trying to adjust to the styles of different players. Then in middle of the season, the team's only Pro Bowl player, running back Herschel Walker, was traded for several veteran players and draft choices. Although the trade turned out to be successful in the long run, it was devastating to the team in the 1989 season.
Aikman started his first game with a 0-28 shutout loss against the New Orleans Saints. The following week against Atlanta, Aikman threw his first touchdown pass, a 65-yard completion to Michael Irvin, but the Falcons intercepted two of his passes and won the game. The next few weeks were not any better. The Washington Commanders sacked him four times, intercepted two passes, and held him to only six completions in his first home game. Then the Giants came to Dallas and only allowed Aikman to complete one pass before knocking him out of the game with a broken finger, which sidelined him for five games. During that time, the Cowboys ended up winning their only game of the year. But when Aikman returned, he showed the league why he was worthy of being picked with the first overall choice. In a close game against the Phoenix Cardinals, he threw for NFL-rookie record 379 yards, including an 80-yard touchdown pass that gave Dallas a 20-17 lead with 1:43 left in the game. But the Cardinals came back on their next drive to win the game. With the exception of a 17-14 loss against Miami and a 35-31 loss to the Los Angeles Rams, the Cowboys never came close to winning another game for the rest of year, and were finished off with a 20-10 loss to the Green Bay Packers in their final game with Aikman throwing 4 interceptions.
Aikman finished with an 0-11 record (155 of 293 for 1,749 yards, 9 TDs, 18 INTs) as the Cowboys went 1-15. Fans and sportswriters, still reeling from Landry's firing, publicly disparaged the team's "savior." But things improved sooner than most people expected.
Aikman proved resilient, and in 1990, led the Cowboys to the brink of the playoffs, started off the year by scoring his first rushing touchdown with 1:58 left in the fourth quarter to lead his team to a 17-14 opening day win over the San Diego Chargers. He also started having more help from his teammates, as Johnson showed an uncommon ability for evaluating talent, selecting Emmitt Smith with one of the draft picks from the Walker trade, and going on to build an offensive line and a defense that would rank among the league's best. Dallas was 7-7 with two weeks to play before Aikman suffered a season-ending injury. Dallas would lose its final two games, but Aikman had shown his potential for success in the NFL. His first two seasons had been a rough adjustment. He had thrown 36 interceptions and was sacked 58 times, but had shown his reliability when the game was on the line, leading his team to victory with fourth quarter scoring drives in six different games. In those six fourth quarter rallies, he had completed 71.1% of his passes for 456 yards and 2 touchdowns with no interceptions.
In 1991, Aikman led the Cowboys to a 6-5 record in the first 11 games and had the Cowboys ahead in week 12 against undefeated Washington when he was injured. Aikman's replacement, Steve Beuerlein did not produce passing stats as good as Aikman, but led the Cowboys to wins in their last four games and a playoff win. Aikman relieved Beuerlein in the NFC Divisional Playoff against Detroit, which the Cowboys lost, 38-6. In 1991, Aikman was selected to the first of six consecutive Pro Bowls. In 1992, Aikman set career highs in completions (302), passing yards (3,445) and touchdown passes (23), and led the Cowboys to Super Bowl XXVII at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena against the Buffalo Bills. Aikman completed 22-of-30 passes for 273 yards with 4 TDs as Dallas obliterated Buffalo, 52-17. He was named Super Bowl MVP.
The next year, with Aikman having one of his best seasons posting a 99.0 passer rating, Dallas defeated the Bills again in Super Bowl XXVIII for a second straight Super Bowl title. It was widely expected that the team might win the Super Bowl at the end of the 1994 season, becoming the first team to win three consecutive titles. However, Jones and Johnson began having disputes regarding their own personal responsibility for the team's success. Jones fired Johnson and hired Barry Switzer, a former college teammate of Jones' when the two were at Arkansas. Despite the turmoil, the Cowboys almost returned to the Super Bowl but were beaten, 38-28, in the NFC Championship game by the San Francisco 49ers.
The 1995 Cowboys bounced back, going 12-4 and culminated in a record-tying fifth Super Bowl win (on January 28, 1996) beating the Pittsburgh Steelers in Super Bowl XXX, and Aikman threw for over 3,300 yards in the regular season.
In 1997, Aikman became the first quarterback in Dallas history to have three straight 3,000-yard seasons. However, the team missed the playoffs. Switzer suffered the first losing season of his coaching career. His off-the-field woes exacerbated a bad situation, and Switzer quit following the season.
Revolving-door personnel changes plagued the Cowboys for the rest of Aikman's tenure. His pass protection failed him repeatedly as the team, stymied by the salary cap, began a decline. In 1999, Aikman was forced to prematurely depart two consecutive games due to head-related injuries. In 2000, Aikman suffered a concussion early in the season opener against Philadelphia and threw 5 interceptions in a loss to the New York Giants. On December 10, 2000, Washington Commanders linebacker LaVar Arrington hit Aikman with such force that his head literally bounced off the turf, leaving a dent in his helmet; it resulted in Aikman's 10th concussion and would end his career. The Cowboys finished the season 5-11.
After he was waived a day before he was due a $7 million/7-year contract extension, Aikman asserted he could still play but found no interested teams. He announced his retirement on April 9, 2001, a press conference notable for the volume of people he thanked. He ended his career as the Cowboys' all-time leading passer (32,942 yards). His 90 wins in the 1990s is the most by any quarterback in any decade.
 

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Honestly-I'm not worried-there's no sense sugar coating anything, for the reason being that we FINALLY have a franchise QB in our organization now.

Romo, like any QB, will have his ups and downs, and go through growing pains here and there. We'll be fine.

My only concern this offseason is the secondary, and to some extent, NT. Other than that, we're not exactly the Baltimore Ravens from '06, which went 13-3 to just the opposite this year. Not only that team is OLD, but they had a washed-up QB to begin with, and now they're back to square 1.
 

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ladiewolve;1914321 said:
Aikman wasn't great in the begining and Romo's done well in his first full year



I have to applaud your title. It says it all. :bravo:


I do believe Aikman's comments are more concern than anything.
 

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I have to applaud your title. It says it all. :bravo:


I do believe Aikman's comments are more concern than anything.

You are prolly right as far as some of Aikman's comments, and I really wasn't putting him down. I have been a Cowboys fan for a long time. Aikman was the QB of the 90's no doubt it (3 superbowl wins!!). His first three years or so tho wasn't anything to brag about...lots of losses including playoff losses.
This is for the fans who are picking Romo apart after his first year as the starting QB. He has done really well in comparison to Aikman's first year. Its not the End of the world. Romo will mature , and he will only get better and we can look forward to some great championships and even a superbowl or two. I really believe that:)
 

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ladiewolve;1914354 said:
You are prolly right as far as some of Aikman's comments, and I really wasn't putting him down. I have been a Cowboys fan for a long time. Aikman was the QB of the 90's no doubt it (3 superbowl wins!!). His first three years or so tho wasn't anything to brag about...lots of losses including playoff losses.
This is for the fans who are picking Romo apart after his first year as the starting QB. He has done really well in comparison to Aikman's first year. Its not the End of the world. Romo will mature , and he will only get better and we can look forward to some great championships and even a superbowl or two. I really believe that:)



Yeah I didnt think you were putting him down.... just defending Romo... like a good fan ;)


Romo can mature. He needs to make an extra effort though. I hope he has gotten some of the "Glitter" out of his system. It will be interesting to see how he handles/controls the "things" that go on around him that are not football related. THAT is key.
 

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I like Tony Romo and I hope everything turns out well for him obviously since I'm a Cowboys fan. However, let's not compare him to Aikman. Aikman was a winner, it consumed him. Romo, well the jury's still out. I know Romo has started 1.5 years, but he's been an NFL player for 5. He's 28 and his window to win a championship is open for the next few years.
As far as Aikman's early years, his rookie year he played on one of the least talented teams in the modern era. By his fourth year he was a Super Bowl MVP and champion. By age 27, Romo's age now, he was a two time champion. Let's hope Romo can at least win a playoff game in the near future.
 

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Aikman sucked with no talent around him early, Had a great 5 year run with Hall of Fame talent around him than sucked and faded away later. That all said he was a big part of our 3 Super Bowls and he got it done in the playoffs when it counted.

Romo inherited a team that even Bledsoe could win 9 to 10 games with. And Romo has yet to win a single playoff game.

He has a long way to go to prove he is anywhere near an elite QB, MOXIE NEEDS PLAYOFF WINS.

Not 1 and outs
 

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Nors;1914465 said:
Aikman sucked with no talent around him early, Had a great 5 year run with Hall of Fame talent around him than sucked and faded away later. That all said he was a big part of our 3 Super Bowls and he got it done in the playoffs when it counted.

Romo inherited a team that even Bledsoe could win 9 to 10 games with. And Romo has yet to win a single playoff game.

He has a long way to go to prove he is anywhere near an elite QB, MOXIE NEEDS PLAYOFF WINS.

Not 1 and outs
I know he isn't an elite QB...that is not what i'm saying...and Romo's inherited team..except for a few ..are not playing all that great either. It takes more than one to make a team, it takes them all.
I'm just saying the sky isnt falling , Romo will mature and learn. I think he will become an elite QB. I was just saying he didnt do all that bad in his first full year...yes ..he needs to get over the playoff hump , and he will.
Aikman was an all time great , no one is arguing that , but his first couple of years as a QB for Dallas wasnt glorious either. they finally put together a good team with him and the same will happen with Romo.
He might not take us to three Superbowls like Aikman and his team eventually did , but there is no doubt in my mind that we will see a playoff win and a superbowl win with Romo.
 

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Nors;1914465 said:
Aikman sucked with no talent around him early, Had a great 5 year run with Hall of Fame talent around him than sucked and faded away later. That all said he was a big part of our 3 Super Bowls and he got it done in the playoffs when it counted.

Romo inherited a team that even Bledsoe could win 9 to 10 games with. And Romo has yet to win a single playoff game.

He has a long way to go to prove he is anywhere near an elite QB, MOXIE NEEDS PLAYOFF WINS.

Not 1 and outs

Aikman faded away, but that was because of all the concussions and his extreme propensity to receive them.
 

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ladiewolve;1914502 said:
I know he isn't an elite QB...that is not what i'm saying...and Romo's inherited team..except for a few ..are not playing all that great either. It takes more than one to make a team, it takes them all.
I'm just saying the sky isnt falling , Romo will mature and learn. I think he will become an elite QB. I was just saying he didnt do all that bad in his first full year...yes ..he needs to get over the playoff hump , and he will.
Aikman was an all time great , no one is arguing that , but his first couple of years as a QB for Dallas wasnt glorious either. they finally put together a good team with him and the same will happen with Romo.
He might not take us to three Superbowls like Aikman and his team eventually did , but there is no doubt in my mind that we will see a playoff win and a superbowl win with Romo.


I like your spunk and upbeat views, but Romo has not shown he is a winner in playoffs so far.

But may the future be kinder to Tony and the playoffs!
 

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Nors;1914507 said:
I like your spunk and upbeat views, but Romo has not shown he is a winner in playoffs so far.

But may the future be kinder to Tony and the playoffs!

I will toast to that!:beer2:
 

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ladiewolve;1914354 said:
You are prolly right as far as some of Aikman's comments, and I really wasn't putting him down. I have been a Cowboys fan for a long time. Aikman was the QB of the 90's no doubt it (3 superbowl wins!!). His first three years or so tho wasn't anything to brag about...lots of losses including playoff losses.
This is for the fans who are picking Romo apart after his first year as the starting QB. He has done really well in comparison to Aikman's first year. Its not the End of the world. Romo will mature , and he will only get better and we can look forward to some great championships and even a superbowl or two. I really believe that:)

That is playoff loss that occurred in 1991 to the Lions in Aikman's first 3 years.

Romo has been in the league for 5 years now. He didn't get any playing time his first 3 years. Aikman did play his first 3 seasons. After Aikman's first 5 years he had two SB titles. I like Romo, but it is not an easy comparison to make with Aikman.

The standard is very high in Dallas. Romo and the rest of the team have a ways to go to reach that standard. I think they are capable of reaching it. It is just a matter of going out and doing it.
 

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The only attribute these two quarterbacks have in common is that they played for the same team.

It is extremely specious reasoning to assume that just because Troy Aikman didn't have success early in his career and as time passed, eventually did, that that automatically means Tony Romo will travel down the same road. If anything, Tony Romo and Troy Aikman's early career are polar opposites, so history is not repeating itself thus far.

I could see if there were similarities between the two aforementioned Quartaback's playing style, but they are very different players.

Let's save the Troy Aikman/Tony Romo comparisons for when Tony Romo actually gets to the level of winning Troy Aikman was so blessed to attain or when Tony Romo retires.
 

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Nors;1914465 said:
Aikman sucked with no talent around him early, Had a great 5 year run with Hall of Fame talent around him than sucked and faded away later. That all said he was a big part of our 3 Super Bowls and he got it done in the playoffs when it counted.

Romo inherited a team that even Bledsoe could win 9 to 10 games with. And Romo has yet to win a single playoff game.

He has a long way to go to prove he is anywhere near an elite QB, MOXIE NEEDS PLAYOFF WINS.

Not 1 and outs

first off, Aikman didn't "suck" with no talent around him, and if you will sit down and watch the games from 1989 and 90 they will confirm that for you. The guy was extremely talented from the beginning, he just had no help and he also had to learn to play QB in the NFL. I watched a 1989 loss to the Rams on Friday. His running back was Paul Palmer, his #1 receiver was Cornell Burbage, his #2 reciever was Bernard Ford, and James Dixon was his other. He was throwing to Folsom as his tight end. I challenge anyone to go out an look great with that cast. By the way, Aikman thew 4 TD's in that game, and the defense choked up the lead in the last 2 minutes. Go watch the Arizona game from that season, in Arizona. Aikman set a rookie record with 379 yards passing in that game.

Sometimes you guys just make blanket statements. I actually find myself agreeing with you more these days, Nors, than I have in the past. But on this subject, I just think you are wrong.

Also, for the record, when Aikman started declining it was mostly his back. He lost most of his mobility and became a sitting target. The Rams game I mentioned, in 1989, he also led the team in rushing that day with 60 yards. That is another Aikman myth, that he never had any mobility. In his rookie season, when he left the pocket on 3rd down, to run, he gained first downs 90% of the time. They showed the graphic during the Rams game.

He was a great athlete and a great QB and is in the Hall of Fame, he just didn't have as long a window as some guys do, due to injury.
 

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The only attribute these two quarterbacks have in common is that they played for the same team.

It is extremely specious reasoning to assume that just because Troy Aikman didn't have success early in his career and as time passed, eventually did, that that automatically means Tony Romo will travel down the same road. If anything, Tony Romo and Troy Aikman's early career are polar opposites, so history is not repeating itself thus far.

I could see if there were similarities between the two aforementioned Quartaback's playing style, but they are very different players.

Let's save the Troy Aikman/Tony Romo comparisons for when Tony Romo actually gets to the level of winning Troy Aikman was so blessed to attain or when Tony Romo retires.
Sigh... I posted Aikman's stats. I did not compare His and Romo's stats , nor did I say that Romo was in Aikman's league at this time. I did say Aikman had a rough start too, and Romo just finished his first full year as a starting QB.
So yeah , I would like to see him get over the playoff hump and I believe he will. I dont think the sky is falling and I believe he is going to get better.
 

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ladiewolve;1919009 said:
Sigh... I posted Aikman's stats. I did not compare His and Romo's stats , nor did I say that Romo was in Aikman's league at this time. I did say Aikman had a rough start too, and Romo just finished his first full year as a starting QB.
So yeah , I would like to see him get over the playoff hump and I believe he will. I dont think the sky is falling and I believe he is going to get better.

My contention is that Troy Aikman and Tony Romo's careers in their early stages are not similar.

Tony Romo got off to a fairly decent start. The only reason he wasn't the league MVP his first full season as a starter was because you had a guy name Brett Favre find his youth. You also had Tom Brady, who will go down as one of the greatest winners in NFL history, shatter Quarterback records and captain a team that went 16-0.

Troy Aikman was a leader on absolutely horrible teams earlier in his career and was mired in Quaterback Controversies for a couple of years.

So my argument wasn't with you comparing Tony and Troy statistically, my argument is that Tony Romo's career has no correlation with Troy Aikman's. Tony Romo has had way more success than Troy Aikman had when he first started in the league, which there are alot of factors for that, which is a different conversation all together.

So even from the onset, you can see that there is no correlation except for the fact they played for the same Organization.
 

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My contention is that Troy Aikman and Tony Romo's careers in their early stages are not similar.

Tony Romo got off to a fairly decent start. The only reason he wasn't the league MVP his first full season as a starter was because you had a guy name Brett Favre find his youth. You also had Tom Brady, who will go down as one of the greatest winners in NFL history, shatter Quarterback records and captain a team that went 16-0.

Troy Aikman was a leader on absolutely horrible teams earlier in his career and was mired in Quaterback Controversies for a couple of years.

So my argument wasn't with you comparing Tony and Troy statistically, my argument is that Tony Romo's career has no correlation with Troy Aikman's. Tony Romo has had way more success than Troy Aikman had when he first started in the league, which there are alot of factors for that, which is a different conversation all together.

So even from the onset, you can see that there is no correlation except for the fact they played for the same Organization.

There is no correlation because Romo could not get off the bench his first 3 years in the league while Aikman was getting beat up his first couple of years on a bad team.
 

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Romo had no time to throw the ball in the second half - it didn't matter who was back there - they could not pass protect. If anything, Romo has made the OL look good thorughout the year.
 

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Nors;1914465 said:
Aikman sucked with no talent around him early, Had a great 5 year run with Hall of Fame talent around him than sucked and faded away later. That all said he was a big part of our 3 Super Bowls and he got it done in the playoffs when it counted.

Romo inherited a team that even Bledsoe could win 9 to 10 games with. And Romo has yet to win a single playoff game.

He has a long way to go to prove he is anywhere near an elite QB, MOXIE NEEDS PLAYOFF WINS.

Not 1 and outs

Nor's argument has a little bit of truth in it, but it also fails to mention some key reasons why Troy Aikman declined.

Troy Aikman took an absolute beating the first couple of years he played on some very dreadful Cowboys teams. In fact, I bet a very cogent argument could be made that the 1989 Squad was one of the worst in history.

Troy Aikman for the most part played for about 12 Seasons. He suffered massive concussions and the franchise was clearly on the decline the older he became.

With that said, I will leave you with this question to ponder. During the heyday of the Dallas Cowboys in the 1990's, the Buffalo Bills had a plethora of Hall of Famers, All-Pros and Pro Bowlers. Why was Troy Aikman able to take advantage of the abundance of talent sent his way and Jim Kelly couldn't?
 

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mickgreen58;1919067 said:
My contention is that Troy Aikman and Tony Romo's careers in their early stages are not similar.

Tony Romo got off to a fairly decent start. The only reason he wasn't the league MVP his first full season as a starter was because you had a guy name Brett Favre find his youth. You also had Tom Brady, who will go down as one of the greatest winners in NFL history, shatter Quarterback records and captain a team that went 16-0.

Troy Aikman was a leader on absolutely horrible teams earlier in his career and was mired in Quaterback Controversies for a couple of years.

So my argument wasn't with you comparing Tony and Troy statistically, my argument is that Tony Romo's career has no correlation with Troy Aikman's. Tony Romo has had way more success than Troy Aikman had when he first started in the league, which there are alot of factors for that, which is a different conversation all together.

So even from the onset, you can see that there is no correlation except for the fact they played for the same Organization.
I understand what you are trying to say. I think most of us can agree that Romo is a good QB. He needs to get past his playoff hump. I believe he will.
I believe he will only get better , I see a SB in his future. Hopefully more.
 
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