Amazing analysis of Tony's unfortunate pick-6, from NFL Films

[Hook'em#11]

I just said he has more respect around the league than Romo does. I dont think thats even debatable. You saw how he gave Witten props on being the best tight end in the game. I will always mess with J wit even if he was one of the people who had a hand in getting rid of TO. Romo on the otherhand? please. Some people in the league get respect because of their leadership and how they prepare for games. Others are just known for their contract and who they date. I'll let you figure out who that is.


I have never heard an opposing player say anything positive about Romo. If it was it was a felloow qb.

Who are cares if they do or not?

If the Cowboys win or lose. I doubt they sit around watching some sports show hoping the enemy says something "nice" about them. Forget about respect from your so called "peers". Go out and win and F the rest.

 

[jay cee]

That was a really good vid, btw.

Yes, it was. QB has got to be the toughest position to grasp in sports.

 

[dbair1967]

There was one other play where the Gaints know that when the show the blitz, it will be a slant. so one of the blitzing LB immediately wen to the slot area instead of blitzing and disrupted the pass.

Are our schemes too obvious?

They are, thats why we've "only" scored 65 pts and ran up "only" 840 yds of offense through two games.

Imagine if we had a really innovative guy like Tony Sparano running the show, then we could really confuse teams and have run up an amazing 30 pts and no passing game to speak of the first two games of the season.

Clearly every team in the league has us figured out.

 

[juck]

If he would have thrown it to RW we get the first down and more.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

If he would have thrown it to RW we get the first down and more.

You are right but it is what it is, My post isn't aimed at yours it is just a in general statement.

The Giants were ready for the play, they had worked on disguising the coverage, they called it right and Tony read the disguise and threw to the wrong receiver. That's what happens when teams know each other well, I just don't see this play as some indication of a bigger problem. Plus Tony knew in that interview exactly what happened so that is IMO something you learn from, The other teams are pros as well and that is how they earn their money.

 

[superpunk]

Exactly what I thought happened after the game, except that I thought the same thing Tony did - because he held contact with Williams so long it is man coverage. Safer throw would have been to Williams, but the right read was made, good throw, it was just a great play by the DB that was unfortunate for us.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Don't forget that he lacks leadership and is a racist and gets distracted by his celebrity girlfriends!

what celebrity girlfriends does Antonio Pierce have?

 

[jobberone]

I just said he has more respect around the league than Romo does. I dont think thats even debatable. You saw how he gave Witten props on being the best tight end in the game. I will always mess with J wit even if he was one of the people who had a hand in getting rid of TO. Romo on the otherhand? please. Some people in the league get respect because of their leadership and how they prepare for games. Others are just known for their contract and who they date. I'll let you figure out who that is.


I have never heard an opposing player say anything positive about Romo. If it was it was a felloow qb.

What alternate reality do you live in and how did you get in ours?

They are, thats why we've "only" scored 65 pts and ran up "only" 840 yds of offense through two games.

Imagine if we had a really innovative guy like Tony Sparano running the show, then we could really confuse teams and have run up an amazing 30 pts and no passing game to speak of the first two games of the season.

Clearly every team in the league has us figured out.

Never said this before..........BUT..........owned.

 

[dbair1967]

You are right but it is what it is, My post isn't aimed at yours it is just a in general statement.

The Giants were ready for the play, they had worked on disguising the coverage, they called it right and Tony read the disguise and threw to the wrong receiver. That's what happens when teams know each other well, .

So I wonder why we didnt do any of that Eli and their offense. Same offense they've had for several seasons now, yet our guys looked clueless vs the pass.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I just said he has more respect around the league than Romo does. I dont think thats even debatable. You saw how he gave Witten props on being the best tight end in the game. I will always mess with J wit even if he was one of the people who had a hand in getting rid of TO. Romo on the otherhand? please. Some people in the league get respect because of their leadership and how they prepare for games. Others are just known for their contract and who they date. I'll let you figure out who that is.


I have never heard an opposing player say anything positive about Romo. If it was it was a felloow qb.

bad bad bad comparison..... you sound like you use the same logic as a lot of these political polls out there. One poll that comes to mind is one placed on a company's Technical support forum asking if they are happy with that company's product (rate between 1 and 5). Do you think a technical support forum is a good place for that poll? What result of that poll do you think you will get? Obviously in the negative.

Put it in football perspective - Who do you think is more respected in the football world Roethlisberger or T. Polomau (sp?)? Of course T. Polomua
QB is the center of a football team and the reason why Romo is blamed for our late season downfalls. If Romo played Baltimore like he did last year and we won the game, would you not say Romo pulled it out and won the game he needed? If you were honest with yourself, you would say he did.

I can probably name 40 guys around the league that have more positive opinions than Romo and most other QBs in the league, but that is based on where they are positioned in the game of football. They have a lot more riding on their heads and it is obvious to us that is true.

 

[lurkercowboy]

The middle of the field was open and Romo could have ran for the first down on that play.

 

[BrassCowboy]

So I wonder why we didnt do any of that Eli and their offense. Same offense they've had for several seasons now, yet our guys looked clueless vs the pass.

This kind of stuff is worked out with the coaching staff and players. OC and QB coach are responsible for the players and them being ready for any and all possibilities. Yes, it would be GREAT if the QB knew how to see all these types of scenarios, but ultimately it is the coaches who needs to make sure in the film room and on practice field of what can happen and how to read such scenarios and how to react.

It is part of my overall ***** about our coaching staff not properly preparing this team and allowing it to be too predictable for too long.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Amazing work by NFL Films/NFL Network putting together sideline, game, and postgame interviews of film on this play. Check out the Giants' secondary coach telling the UDFA Bruce Johnson what to look for and do ... that if RW "peeks inside" that B. Johnson should disguise his coverage ... it worked for the Giants and we got hosed ...

Forget the story in this thread, just watch the four-minute video.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d812db1ae&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Excuse me if this has posted ..

Boys and girls, it looks like the Giants just did more film work than we did and knew our tendencies and designed plays ... more so than the Cowboys might have thought that the Giants wouldn't have known what was coming and wouldn't have adjusted. .. Does that make sense?

Great viewing even if it makes you want to bash your head up against a wall .. shows you the level of detail of what Tony and other NFL quarterbacks have to deal with at the snap ...

exactly, we got overexposed on our offense in wrs routes, the giants knew what was coming, but thats to be expected with chris canty there now;

i am sure chris told them some pointers out to the coaches

yet, our defensive guru wade still doesnt have his players up to par on defensive packages,

 

[BrassCowboy]

The middle of the field was open and Romo could have ran for the first down on that play.

You kidding? Romo is not aloud to be that freelancer anymore. Be the pocket passer Romo!

obviously I believe they should allow Romo to play more his game and not be that pocket passer type that most coaches try to hammer into their QBs

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Amazing work by NFL Films/NFL Network putting together sideline, game, and postgame interviews of film on this play. Check out the Giants' secondary coach telling the UDFA Bruce Johnson what to look for and do ... that if RW "peeks inside" that B. Johnson should disguise his coverage ... it worked for the Giants and we got hosed ...

Forget the story in this thread, just watch the four-minute video.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d812db1ae&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Excuse me if this has posted ..

Boys and girls, it looks like the Giants just did more film work than we did and knew our tendencies and designed plays ... more so than the Cowboys might have thought that the Giants wouldn't have known what was coming and wouldn't have adjusted. .. Does that make sense?

Great viewing even if it makes you want to bash your head up against a wall .. shows you the level of detail of what Tony and other NFL quarterbacks have to deal with at the snap ...

that's quite concerning and that blame goes directly to Jason Garrett. The steelers said the same thing last year about our tendencies when they got their pick 6 at the end of the game. Garrett should be directly responsible for play calling and player tendwencies and coaching them on that.

 

[Jake0]

It's really sickening to see an undrafted rookie making those kind of adjustments and reads. Dude isn't even supposed to play but gets an opportunity because of a myriad of injuries and is already at least somewhat prepared. I haven't seen ANY resemblance of smart, heads up play on our defense over the past 3-4? years, only amazingly athletic plays. Even against divisional opponents where we're supposed to know them better than they know themselves. Testament to the coaching I guess?

Honestly I wouldn't care if Bradie James was a far superior athlete to Antonio Pierce (He's not really) I'd take the smarter guy to be the MLB of the defense. It's not like this **** is rocket science, but our defense has got to be one of the dumbest looking defenses in the league. There's no pre-snap adjustments ever made really, not really many disguised blitzes like Pittsburghs (people here have complained about this numerous times in the past). I personally have been waiting to see the defense get "smarter" and I figured the reason it wasn't there early on was because the guys were too young. It still ain't here and the defense looks just as vanilla as it did when Ware was a rookie. Actually it's gotten worse. The secondary now are seriously making potential blooper clips every other play and running into each other or just completely taking themselves out of the play.

We've had amazing athletes on this defense for the past 4 years that are doing nothing but trying to make athletic plays. Coaching and/or a field general is something the defense really has never had. I want to see this defense make an EASY play for once because it completely mind-****ed the opposition, not just ridiculously amazing athletic play like Ware's INT on Vick that you'll see maybe once a career.

Also, no quarrels at all with our offense, it has made opposing defenses look foolish many MANY times. The offense has been quality, still waiting on the defense to get to that level though despite having all of our draft picks.

 

[cowboyjoe]

This kind of stuff is worked out with the coaching staff and players. OC and QB coach are responsible for the players and them being ready for any and all possibilities. Yes, it would be GREAT if the QB knew how to see all these types of scenarios, but ultimately it is the coaches who needs to make sure in the film room and on practice field of what can happen and how to read such scenarios and how to react.

It is part of my overall ***** about our coaching staff not properly preparing this team and allowing it to be too predictable for too long.

i think to a degree that has to do with romo's lack of experience as a starter, he is getting there but takes time;

remember on one pass play he threw an interception, the giants had it covered, so romo changed the play, antonio pierce saw the formation and changed his defense, romo didnt have time to change the play again

right there is where romo either has to have a hot read to calll right quick or throw the ball away, thats what he has to learn, but romo did see it coming, but didnt have time left to change play,

 

[cowboyjoe]

You kidding? Romo is not aloud to be that freelancer anymore. Be the pocket passer Romo!

obviously I believe they should allow Romo to play more his game and not be that pocket passer type that most coaches try to hammer into their QBs

thats the key to this game, got a question for you, what did brandon jacobs say before the game about romo and after the play?

what did the giants do to romo primarly?

the giants kept romo in the pocket, mostly, made him beat them with his arm nad knowledge

if you looked at most of the defensive plays the giants kept a defensive pocket around romo to keep him in the pocket, made romo throw the ball

thats where romo has to improve and when jason garrett sees that happening, he has to have plays for romo to roll out and throw on the run

if you go back to the game last year in dallas romo rolled out of the pocket several times and threw on the run, beating the giants on pass plays with his feet and scrambling ability

thats exactly what brandon big mouth jacobs said, we feel romo isnt a great pocket passer so we have to keep him in the pocket, etc.

you did see several plays where eli rolled out away from ware and threw the ball, its like they were daring spears and spencer to get him, and they didnt when eli rolled out away from ware; and eli completed some passes that way;

 

[cowboyjoe]

It's really sickening to see an undrafted rookie making those kind of adjustments and reads. Dude isn't even supposed to play but gets an opportunity because of a myriad of injuries and is already at least somewhat prepared. I haven't seen ANY resemblance of smart, heads up play on our defense over the past 3-4? years, only amazingly athletic plays. Even against divisional opponents where we're supposed to know them better than they know themselves. Testament to the coaching I guess?

Honestly I wouldn't care if Bradie James was a far superior athlete to Antonio Pierce (He's not really) I'd take the smarter guy to be the MLB of the defense. It's not like this **** is rocket science, but our defense has got to be one of the dumbest looking defenses in the league. There's no pre-snap adjustments ever made really, not really many disguised blitzes like Pittsburghs (people here have complained about this numerous times in the past). I personally have been waiting to see the defense get "smarter" and I figured the reason it wasn't there early on was because the guys were too young. It still ain't here and the defense looks just as vanilla as it did when Ware was a rookie. Actually it's gotten worse. The secondary now are seriously making potential blooper clips every other play and running into each other or just completely taking themselves out of the play.

We've had amazing athletes on this defense for the past 4 years that are doing nothing but trying to make athletic plays. Coaching and/or a field general is something the defense really has never had. I want to see this defense make an EASY play for once because it completely mind-****ed the opposition, not just ridiculously amazing athletic play like Ware's INT on Vick that you'll see maybe once a career.

Also, no quarrels at all with our offense, it has made opposing defenses look foolish many MANY times. The offense has been quality, still waiting on the defense to get to that level though despite having all of our draft picks.

i think its alittle deeper than that, but your on the right track;
the players havent gotten ticked off yet on defense yet

till a few defenders say enough is enough, i am getting tired of getting beat at llast seconds; thats it;

that to a degree goes back also to the head coach, how is he the head coach on being fiery, not liking getting beat on his defense

when your defensive coordinator says, i think our pass rush is fine, we just need to hit the qb some more, come on.

that says alot right there

and when the defensive coordinator says, some of our players dont understand my defensive concepts, packages yet, come on, your going to stand there and say that as a head coach and defensive coordinator that you havent got them ready yet?

what did you do all off season mini camp, OTAs, and training camp wade?

oh yeah, i didnt run the packages as much as i should have due to the fact i didnt want to get players hurt, when you blitz you tend to get players hurt

now does that sound like a fiery defensive coordinator that is suppose to be the head coach, and does that sound like he is lighting a fire underneath the defensive players?

yet let me ask you this question?
on offense how many points have we scored, even against the very good giants defense over 30 points right?
how have our special teams done, pretty good right
so lets add that up
our offensive coordinator has improved his offense right
the special teams coach has improved the special teams right?
yet what is the defensive coordinator doing?

 

[BrassCowboy]

thats the key to this game, got a question for you, what did brandon jacobs say before the game about romo and after the play?

what did the giants do to romo primarly?

the giants kept romo in the pocket, mostly, made him beat them with his arm nad knowledge

if you looked at most of the defensive plays the giants kept a defensive pocket around romo to keep him in the pocket, made romo throw the ball

thats where romo has to improve and when jason garrett sees that happening, he has to have plays for romo to roll out and throw on the run

if you go back to the game last year in dallas romo rolled out of the pocket several times and threw on the run, beating the giants on pass plays with his feet and scrambling ability

thats exactly what brandon big mouth jacobs said, we feel romo isnt a great pocket passer so we have to keep him in the pocket, etc.

you did see several plays where eli rolled out away from ware and threw the ball, its like they were daring spears and spencer to get him, and they didnt when eli rolled out away from ware; and eli completed some passes that way;

We are on the same page there. good post.