Amendola busting out as a ST player.

[TheCount]

Would I have kept Danny Amendola over Isaiah Stanback? YUP!

Yeah, I think people are overlooking that little fact. It's not like the WR we kept instead of Amendola is even still on the roster or produced in the slightest. It's a toss up between who would have been more worthless to this team.

People were ready to go to war over the Amendola praise, saying Stanback had oodles more potential as a receiver than Amendola did. Well that didn't work out so well.

But in the end we got Ogletree, who looks better now than Amendola did when we gave him his shot.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I hate these threads. It's automatically sets up those of us that rooted for Amendola as chumps by those who didn't support him. Yea for you guys, you've really been justified in your hate!

He's doing well where he is now...good for him. No rue here.

Why are you such a hater?!?!??!

:laugh2:

 

[jterrell]

Yeah, I think people are overlooking that little fact. It's not like the WR we kept instead of Amendola is even still on the roster or produced in the slightest. It's a toss up between who would have been more worthless to this team.

People were ready to go to war over the Amendola praise, saying Stanback had oodles more potential as a receiver than Amendola did. Well that didn't work out so well.

But in the end we got Ogletree, who looks better now than Amendola did when we gave him his shot.

I liked Amendola at Tech as I did Welker. I am glad Amendola has an NFL job as they are hard to come by so good for him. He's a Houston area kid and I have nothing but the best wishes toward him.

Do I think he is as good as Wes Welker? Nope. Welker came to Tech as running back from Oklahoma who wasn't recruited by either major Oklahoma college. He obviously developed quite nicely.

Tech plays inside WRs who are quick and get into areas for quick passes. They make ideal future NFL slot guys because they know how to get off coverage quickly and find little hole sot sit down in and because they catch a zillion passes as a collegiate between practices and games. Few schools routinely throw 50 times a game.

I wouldn't say it's an either or with Ogletree/Amendola though.
I'd say it is Amendola/Rossum.

Rossum is another local kid from Skyline high that went on to Notre Dame. Heck of a good return guy historically but he is very much up there in age and offers nothing else but returns.

I don't think ranking WR's 1-5 is a good way to build a depth chart.

I think you go 3-deep at x, y, and z.
x- RW11, Austin, Ogletree
y- Austin, Crayton, Hurd
z- Crayton...

I think we really have a hole at that slot position where a guy is used to playing inside and sitting down into seems or finding creases.

Maybe it doesn't matter much in this offense but I'd want to get a quick guy for that duty.

 

[ShiningStar]

Do we still have Holley? How much rueing will that get us *or a pic from Brain* once we drop Holley in favor of a bologna and cheese sandwich?

 

[jjktkk]

Olgetree looked pretty good in the pre-season. Its funny, Jamaica Rector had an incredible pre-season one year (2005 or 2006?) but he didnt seem to get the interest on this board that Olgetree does.

Rector, while with the Cowboys showed more promise as a kr/pr, rather than a pass catching wr. Rector had great speed, but basically was JAG while with the Cowboys. Olgetree, on the other hand, has showed glimpses of being a complete wr. Ogletree consistantly showed in training camp and in the preseason games, his play making ability in the passing game. Two totally different players in skill sets and talent IMO.

 

[jterrell]

Rector, while with the Cowboys showed more promise as a kr/pr, rather than a pass catching wr. Rector had great speed, but basically was JAG while with the Cowboys. Olgetree, on the other hand, has showed glimpses of being a complete wr. Ogletree consistantly showed in training camp and in the preseason games, his play making ability in the passing game. Two totally different players in skill sets and talent IMO.

Ogletree is 6'2" and runs a 4.37 40.
Rector was a local kid who many liked buy he was like 5'10" 190 tops.

Rector is comparable to Danny Amendola actually, but without the very productive college career.

 

[mmillman]

Rather have Amendola than Rossum.

 

[mmillman]

Amendola is much cheaper and plays a position of need that Rossum no longer can.

 

[links18]

Good game... it has to be because both are white, not because they were college room mates, both played the same WR position at Tech and both returned punts at Tech, and both are more quick than fast.

Never heard an African American player compared to Welker once by anyone. Yet, Edelman is now the Pats new Wes Welker?

 

[Established1971]

Rector, while with the Cowboys showed more promise as a kr/pr, rather than a pass catching wr. Rector had great speed, but basically was JAG while with the Cowboys. Olgetree, on the other hand, has showed glimpses of being a complete wr. Ogletree consistantly showed in training camp and in the preseason games, his play making ability in the passing game. Two totally different players in skill sets and talent IMO.

dude Olgetree had ONE great preseason, am I right, or was he there in 08. I dont remember him being there in 08. Rector had one GREAT preseason as a WR. There is definitely a paralell to be made.

 

[joseephuss]

Never heard an African American player compared to Welker once by anyone. Yet, Edelman is now the Pats new Wes Welker?

That is a different argument. The comparisons with Amendola to Welker is not about both being white. They played the same position at the same college. Amendola already replaced Welker at Tech. There is an existing commonality between the two guys.

Amendola needs to play in many more games and be productive in them before either Dallas or Philly can regret letting him go. I rooted for the young man, but he did very little last year in pre-season games. And it is not as if Dallas did not still want him. They tried to keep him on the practice squad as a developmental guy and at the end of the year he chose to go to Philly's practice squad.

If he was still in Dallas he would still not being much playing time. Olgetree just now saw playing time and that was just a few kick returns. If Felix were healthy Olgetree would not even be doing that and neither would Amendola.

 

[AdamJT13]

Amendola is averaging 24 yards per kick return which is 8th amongst guys with a minimum of 15 returns.

Minimum of 15 returns, huh? That's all of 12 guys. So Amendola ranks eighth out of 12.

He ranks 4th of punt returners with 15 or more returns at 8.2 ypc.

Not quite. He has only six punt returns. There 34 guys with at least six returns, and he ranks 20th out of 34.

So, he's been below-average as a returner and is averaging only 8.4 yards per catch. Out of the 99 wide receivers with more than five catches (he has nine), Amendola ranks 92nd.

The article was written for fantasy football teams that award points for return yards. The Rams are so bad that their opponents kick off a lot, which means the Rams get a lot of kickoff returns (29 so far, second only to Detroit) and Amendola could get a lot of return yards. But he's not even an average kickoff returner at this point in his career, let alone a decent wide receiver.

 

[jterrell]

Minimum of 15 returns, huh? That's all of 12 guys. So Amendola ranks eighth out of 12.



Not quite. He has only six punt returns. There 34 guys with at least six returns, and he ranks 20th out of 34.

So, he's been below-average as a returner and is averaging only 8.4 yards per catch. Out of the 99 wide receivers with more than five catches (he has nine), Amendola ranks 92nd.

The article was written for fantasy football teams that award points for return yards. The Rams are so bad that their opponents kick off a lot, which means the Rams get a lot of kickoff returns (29 so far, second only to Detroit) and Amendola could get a lot of return yards. But he's not even an average kickoff returner at this point in his career, let alone a decent wide receiver.

Unfortunately NFL.com doesn't have any min requirement so it was up to me to pick a breaking point or list guys with 1 return and I picked 15....

Amendola is averaging a yard more per kick return than Felix Jones and more than 2 yards more than Allen Rossum this year. Guess they are horrible....

Amendola's 8.2 punt return average is higher than Crayton and Rossum....

As I stated if Amendola were here and Rossum weren't we'd be a little better off at returner and have a backup slot WR.

The slot WR generally gets open for first downs not scores long TDs. I could care less about that guy's yards per catch but do care wholeheartedly if he can catch.
Did I miss where Rossum was a better WR than Amendola?

I think it's fair to say you shed more light on the stats (provided you ignore he would be an improvement here over what we have now) but did zero to disprove the ultimate point.

 

[joseephuss]

Unfortunately NFL.com doesn't have any min requirement so it was up to me to pick a breaking point or list guys with 1 return and I picked 15....

Amendola is averaging a yard more per kick return than Felix Jones and more than 2 yards more than Allen Rossum this year. Guess they are horrible....

Amendola's 8.2 punt return average is higher than Crayton and Rossum....

As I stated if Amendola were here and Rossum weren't we'd be a little better off at returner and have a backup slot WR.

The slot WR generally gets open for first downs not scores long TDs. I could care less about that guy's yards per catch but do care wholeheartedly if he can catch.
Did I miss where Rossum was a better WR than Amendola?

I think it's fair to say you shed more light on the stats (provided you ignore he would be an improvement here over what we have now) but did zero to disprove the ultimate point.

I think a point to be made is that had Dallas been able to keep him through training camp this season that they would have still ended up cutting him. He was not going to beat out Roy, Crayton, Austin, Hurd and Olgetree. His competition would have been Olgetree and Olgetree had a great pre-season. Dallas would still be in the same position as it is now.

 

[Cover 2]

That is a different argument. The comparisons with Amendola to Welker is not about both being white. They played the same position at the same college. Amendola already replaced Welker at Tech. There is an existing commonality between the two guys.

Amendola needs to play in many more games and be productive in them before either Dallas or Philly can regret letting him go. I rooted for the young man, but he did very little last year in pre-season games. And it is not as if Dallas did not still want him. They tried to keep him on the practice squad as a developmental guy and at the end of the year he chose to go to Philly's practice squad.

If he was still in Dallas he would still not being much playing time. Olgetree just now saw playing time and that was just a few kick returns. If Felix were healthy Olgetree would not even be doing that and neither would Amendola.

Caucasian

 

[jterrell]

I think a point to be made is that had Dallas been able to keep him through training camp this season that they would have still ended up cutting him. He was not going to beat out Roy, Crayton, Austin, Hurd and Olgetree. His competition would have been Olgetree and Olgetree had a great pre-season. Dallas would still be in the same position as it is now.

That's not necessarily the case but could certainly have been so.

It really depends on if Dallas wanted to use him as a returner.
If they felt he was a good choice at KR/PR they could have simply kept him in that role and kept 6 WRs. It's not like keeping 6 is exceptionally rare.

We had injuries at other positions that left them thin anyways.

Right now we are dedicating one position to KR/PR and to a guy with worse numbers this year than Amendola. So could we have dedicated a spot to a KR/PR that is also a WR? Yup. It's not like Rossum is going to hit our Cb depth chart.

And again you may rank WR 1-5 for roster purposes but that's not the way it works on a depth chart. Then again Dallas hasn't had any luck at the Slot WR since Crayton was promoted so perhaps they don't consider that aspect of it at all.

I argued when we originally released Amendola I didn't like it because I thought he was a good slot option and I stand by that. We are lacking right now in that area. Perhaps if Crayton moves back there things will improve.

We are 2nd in offensive yards per game this year but only 18th in 3rd down conversions. We are 1st in yards per play but not consistent enough within series of moving the chains.

Its not a big deal either way really. Amendola is not worth rueing.... But he could have been a slight upgrade for us as a returner and helped WR depth all the while being cheap as they get.

 

[joseephuss]

Crayton has been playing the slot position any time they go 3 wide. He is not really moving back to the slot position because he has not left it. He just won't be out there when there are in the 2 wide receiver set.

I would not take Amendola as a kick returner over either Austin or Felix. Both guys have proven to be dynamic returning kicks. He may have better stats now, but that means little to me.

Amendola may be a better punt returner than Crayton. I still think that is questionable. Like I said before he has to play at lot more before really any conclusions can be made. He has better punt return numbers, but they aren't significantly better. One good return by Crayton could have changed who had the better average.

 

[jterrell]

Crayton has been playing the slot position any time they go 3 wide. He is not really moving back to the slot position because he has not left it. He just won't be out there when there are in the 2 wide receiver set.

I would not take Amendola as a kick returner over either Austin or Felix. Both guys have proven to be dynamic returning kicks. He may have better stats now, but that means little to me.

Amendola may be a better punt returner than Crayton. I still think that is questionable. Like I said before he has to play at lot more before really any conclusions can be made. He has better punt return numbers, but they aren't significantly better. One good return by Crayton could have changed who had the better average.

I'd take Amendola as a kick returner because Austin and Felix are the offenses best threats. Both with poor records of staying healthy. I like both guys better as returners because both are faster but using them is a catch 22. I really like Ogletree's upside but he has fumbled now on one of this few return attempts so that's a bit scary.

I'd take most players over Crayton as a kick returner. He is not any more dangerous then Amendola which is to say basically none at all but I saw Amendola return kicks for years at Tech so I am confident in him there. He is a tough guy that can face pressure.

I already stated Crayton was fine at slot but how else do we have there? That has been my point. You can't have 1 slot WR on an entire team for an entire season I wouldn't think.

All in all I think Amendola would be doing in the NFL what he did in college not trying to transition to a position or role that is new to him and I like that advantage for a young guy.

 

[jterrell]

Crayton has been playing the slot position any time they go 3 wide. He is not really moving back to the slot position because he has not left it. He just won't be out there when there are in the 2 wide receiver set.

I would not take Amendola as a kick returner over either Austin or Felix. Both guys have proven to be dynamic returning kicks. He may have better stats now, but that means little to me.

Amendola may be a better punt returner than Crayton. I still think that is questionable. Like I said before he has to play at lot more before really any conclusions can be made. He has better punt return numbers, but they aren't significantly better. One good return by Crayton could have changed who had the better average.

The Crayton issue is one of total plays.

Running 1st and 2nd down plays one tends to be much less fresh fr 3rd down than a traditional slot guy who comes in only on 3rd downs and has one job: Get open beyond the chains and catch the football.

That was my reference to Crayton going back to slot.

 

[jjktkk]

dude Olgetree had ONE great preseason, am I right, or was he there in 08. I dont remember him being there in 08. Rector had one GREAT preseason as a WR. There is definitely a paralell to be made.

DUDE!!!, Your telling me Rector consistently caught the ball as well as Ogletree? Highly doubt it. Rector's only endearing quality was his speed. His negatives were size, hands, and level of college competition in college. Olgetree has size speed, and solid pass catching ability. Sorry I do not see a "definite" parallel to Rector and Olgletree.