America, Soccer, and Athleticism

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So my theory is that if we got the 64 starting corners in the NFL and got them to play soccer for the 4 years leading to the next world cup. They would compete and be a force. I think that America failing to be a powerhouse at the world stage had more to do that those who would naturally lean towards soccer in other countries are more likely to become corners or Point guards in the US.

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In short no, if the sport was more popular and kids got into it a very young age then yeah probably considering there's basically a whole continent worth of players to chose from
 

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I agree that America's very best athletes are probably playing other sports but I don't know if that is what is preventing us from winning. If you look at the Germany Game and the Belgium game, I think you can say that we had chances to win both of those games.

Late in the Belgium game, we had an open net late in regulation and we missed the shot. If we make that, we win and move on. JMO
 

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I agree that America's very best athletes are probably playing other sports but I don't know if that is what is preventing us from winning. If you look at the Germany Game and the Belgium game, I think you can say that we had chances to win both of those games.

Late in the Belgium game, we had an open net late in regulation and we missed the shot. If we make that, we win and move on. JMO

We don't have enough players that are technically gifted at attacking and defending.

We loaded up on defensive players and we defended well but our attack was nothing short of awful.

The USA could barely string more than 2 passes together before giving it away.


Our players need to get better at keeping the ball and playing against high pressure.





In the next world cup we should have a better attack but i'm not sure how well our midfield will be.

Green and Yedlin should be killer players on the wing and Altidore will only be 28.
 

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We don't have enough players that are technically gifted at attacking and defending.

We loaded up on defensive players and we defended well but our attack was nothing short of awful.

The USA could barely string more than 2 passes together before giving it away.


Our players need to get better at keeping the ball and playing against high pressure.





In the next world cup we should have a better attack but i'm not sure how well our midfield will be.

Green and Yedlin should be killer players on the wing and Altidore will only be 28.

Our game changed from the first half to the second half in the Belgium game IMO. We attacked a lot more in the 1st half and then played defense hold in the 2nd, using a high low in the midfield in the second half. Even still, we could have won that match. We failed to control the middle of the field throughout the tournament and that is what beat us IMO. Bradley, IMO, had a horrible World Cup. That's where we really needed improvement IMO.
 

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Our game changed from the first half to the second half in the Belgium game IMO. We attacked a lot more in the 1st half and then played defense hold in the 2nd, using a high low in the midfield in the second half. Even still, we could have won that match. We failed to control the middle of the field throughout the tournament and that is what beat us IMO. Bradley, IMO, had a horrible World Cup. That's where we really needed improvement IMO.

I don't know what game you were watching, but if you think they attacked much at all you'd be sorely mistaken. Belgium set up camp in our end of the field.
 

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I don't know what game you were watching, but if you think they attacked much at all you'd be sorely mistaken. Belgium set up camp in our end of the field.

I'm sure it was the same game you watched.
 

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No, you couldn't teach the top 64 corners in the NFL to play soccer at a high level in four years. Even though they would be the best athletes on the field, they wouldn't have the skill to compete. If you took those top 64 corners and taught them soccer from an early age on into adulthood, then you would get a few that could play for the national team. It takes skill and athleticism to play. I think the U.S. has room to improve in both. Players need to develop greater skills and we also need better athletes out there. And those better athletes would also need to have better skills.
 

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Our game changed from the first half to the second half in the Belgium game IMO. We attacked a lot more in the 1st half and then played defense hold in the 2nd, using a high low in the midfield in the second half. Even still, we could have won that match. We failed to control the middle of the field throughout the tournament and that is what beat us IMO. Bradley, IMO, had a horrible World Cup. That's where we really needed improvement IMO.

Bradley was awful.

You're right though, we could have won the match. We also could've lost 5-0 if not for Tim Howard's performance.

I believe in Klinsman though and believe he will have us headed in the right direction.
 

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Bradley was awful.

You're right though, we could have won the match. We also could've lost 5-0 if not for Tim Howard's performance.

I believe in Klinsman and believe he will have us headed in the right direction.

This is true. Our team strategy is set up, based on Howard's ability to defend the goal. We rely on it too much IMO but that's another discussion. We certainly could have lost that match by a significant number, that's absolutely true.

U.S. soccer is looking up and this team was a transition to a younger team with different skills from previous teams. I am not happy that we lost but I am happy that we advanced and that we played well. We will continue to get better and hopefully, see more success in future.
 

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Until our top athletes looke at soccer like they look at the NBA and the NFL, we will never be a power.
 

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We don't have enough players that are technically gifted at attacking and defending.

We loaded up on defensive players and we defended well but our attack was nothing short of awful.

The USA could barely string more than 2 passes together before giving it away.


Our players need to get better at keeping the ball and playing against high pressure.





In the next world cup we should have a better attack but i'm not sure how well our midfield will be.

Green and Yedlin should be killer players on the wing and Altidore will only be 28.

Yah... 1.25 goals per game force you to win all games 1-0 ... Ain't happening.

I would make game much more offensive. Less to no interference when a player is running with the ball.

If these games don't turn into 6-5 games. It had no chance.
 

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Until our top athletes looke at soccer like they look at the NBA and the NFL, we will never be a power.

It's going to be a long time before that ever happens, if ever, IMO. However, we may not need all our top athletes looking at soccer to win. Not saying this is what you are trying to say Burm, just looking at the numbers. Who are the best teams in the world right now? Lets say they look like this:

Germany (82M)
Brazil (193M)
Spain (47M)
Argentina (40M)
Portugal (11)
Switzerland (8M)
Uruguay (3M)
Columbia (47M)
Italy (60M)
England (62M)
Belgium (11M)
U.S.A (310M)

The numbers to the side represent population figures for each country (roughly). We are much larger then anybody else on this list. We are also producing better athletes in larger quantities IMO, then any other country in the world. I think we should be able to have enough talent available for us to be highly competitive without seeing much decline in other major sports. At least I hope that's what we see down the road.
 

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Not even close. They wouldn't even be good enough to make a 3rd tier English team after 4 years of training.

Also, we are lacking technical ability, not athleticism. You get that by training your entire life and playing in youth academies. High school and college soccer programs suck.
 

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Not even close. They wouldn't even be good enough to make a 3rd tier English team after 4 years of training.

Also, we are lacking technical ability, not athleticism
. You get that by training your entire life and playing in youth academies. High school and college soccer programs suck.

They are lacking both; however, the technical ability is the most important part. Look at Spain and their success. They have a bunch of undersized guys and some of them don't have great top end speed, but they have loads and loads of technical ability. They would be even better if they were a bit bigger, stronger and faster.

The U.S. would be a little better if they had a few better athletes that played at the same technical level they currently have. It still wouldn't be enough to win a World Cup, but they would improve. They would much better if they truly improved their technical abilities and also improved their athleticism. It all starts at the youth level. Improve how and what kids learn and they can carry that into adulthood. Improve the whole thing and maybe they can get a few of the great, great athletes to stick with the sport.
 

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They had a soccer guy on BSPN a bit ago and he said it was more a technical skill gap; that starting in youth leagues the fundamentals are not pushed enough to give our guys the technical polish they need to WIN at the top level.


Kind of like how at Jr High and High School level the football coaches do not teach the fundamental blocking and tackling skills. Which is very clear the more you watch college and pro football anymore
 

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I have already stated that the U.S. needs better top athletes. I believe that. Now having said that, there is also times during development that coaches pick the better athletes for playing time instead of the better players. They want the bigger, stronger, faster guys instead of the guys with the better technical abilities. That isn't a good thing. I have read articles about this also being a minor issue in parts of England. I've even read a few articles that suggested that Brazil was guilty of doing this as well to some extent in recent years. I'm all for picking the better athletes if they are equal in technical ability as the guy who isn't as athletic; however, if an undersized kid has the best skills out there then you don't take someone who is lacking in skills over him just because he may be the better athlete. If there is a difference in skill level, you take the more skilled player. If the skill level is equal, you take the better athlete. Hopefully over time you end up with guys who are both highly skilled and great athletes.

Skills, skills, skills. It comes down to that. Dribbling, trapping, holding the ball, learning how to shield the opponent off the ball, passing and shooting. These things should be drilled into kids. It isn't until they have mastered these skills for years that you start teaching game planning, formations and schemes.
 
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