America's Team or Corporate America??

[ETex]

At those prices I think Jerry's going to have trouble filling up his stadium. D-FW folk better start getting used to blackouts.

Back before Texas Stadium opened up, some reporter ask Tex Schramm about whether people would pay those prices and he answered "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." I wasn't smart enough to pay those prices and so I have never been to Texas Stadium even though I lived in Dallas for many years. Apparently it was a big financial success anyway.

I don't expect to be smart enough to pay the kind of money it is going to take to go to Jerry's grand new digs either. I will continue to sit back like a dummy in my own den, stupidly watching the games on TV just like I have done since the Boys moved out of the Cotton Bowl - the last time I went to a Cowboys game. Actually, I don't miss the crowds and traffic jams one little bit.

My sincere thanks to all the more intelligent people who can afford to go to games so that the poor old dummies like me can enjoy the game onTV at home.

Who knows, maybe Jerry's right, maybe his new stadium will be a big financial success but from where I sit I have a hard time thinking he's going to fill it up at those prices, but I could be wrong.

The league excludes club seats from calculating black outs so hopefully we'll see those massive blocks of empty seats with scattered martini sippers on TV.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Even if you factored in inflation, 250-1000 is nowhere near the money that is being asked for now

As was stated in a previous post, the "ordinary" fan will have to take out a 2nd mortgage to afford this

Granted, Jerry has put in 300 million of his own money, and financed through all sorts of other means, so he will have high debt on the stadium, but g-damn thats a lot of money for a football game

Add to it the uncertain economic times coming, as well as the credit crunch, how do owners expect to sell thier seats?

Again, you are preaching to the choir. My only contention is "if you build it, they will come". Based on historical precedence, people have traditionally found a way to continue enjoying people, places, things and events, no matter the cost.

And for the record, I was one that make the verbal quip about the "second mortgage".

 

[ETex]

I think what is being attempted here is to cancel out the secondary market. If you factor in $200-340/game plus the PSL costs; you're lookin @ ~$500-600/game cost. If that is what the cost is; then the people that buy season tickets and sell 3-4 games to finance it are out. There is no way the secondary market will have any profits left for taking @ these prices.

Problem is for example, take the Pats game this year, tickets sold for that kinda money on stubhub, ebay,etc. But what about the Preseason games? What about the Rams game? What about the 2-14 season games? Do those tickets sell that high?

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Again, you are preaching to the choir. My only contention is "if you build it, they will come". Based on historical precedence, people have traditionally found a way to continue enjoying people, places, things and events, no matter the cost.

And for the record, I was one that make the verbal quip about the "second mortgage".

Well, rivalry or not, all fans of any sport should be outraged by this

The ordinary fan is being out priced from games, and in 20 years the "blue collar" NFL fan will no longer exist

 

[DallasCowpoke]

So tell me are you a season ticket holder or an average Joe who can afford to go see a game or two during the season? Did you renew your tickets since you have been to the presentation twice? Have you ever been to texas stadium?

Actually, I have 10. Four of those I've renewed. Four are 1 section outside the club level qualifications, so I'll renew those in Feb/March. Two are handicapped accessible I purchase for my quadriplegic cousin, and those won't be available until Feb/March either.

And yea, being as I'm a 47 yr old, 3rd generation Dallas native, I go to TS every once in awhile.

 

[ETex]

Well, rivalry or not, all fans of any sport should be outraged by this

The ordinary fan is being out priced from games, and in 20 years the "blue collar" NFL fan will no longer exist

LOL Danny-boy is just wait'n to see how this all unfolds.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Well, rivalry or not, all fans of any sport should be outraged by this

The ordinary fan is being out priced from games, and in 20 years the "blue collar" NFL fan will no longer exist

True

In truth, I believe it is more of a societal phenomenon as opposed to just being confined to the Sports World.

Jerry Jones is a business man who owns a billion dollar business. That entities' main purposes is to minimize costs and maximize profits.

Now is there a happy medium where said entity could target the wealthy, without alienating the blue collar fans and make a profit? Not sure.

 

[thewireman]

Well, rivalry or not, all fans of any sport should be outraged by this

The ordinary fan is being out priced from games, and in 20 years the "blue collar" NFL fan will no longer exist

I agree

This is why I will stay home and watch the game.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

LOL Danny-boy is just wait'n to see how this all unfolds.

Yea, I am not looking forward to see what he does when he builds his own stadium

JKC refused to go the PSL route the way Modell did in Baltimore

I don't think Snyder will be that charitable

 

[Rampage]

but i thought jerry jones is such a great owner if you people think the crowd sucks now just wait till the new stadium opens

 

[Cas2800]

Actually, I have 10. Four of those I've renewed. Four are 1 section outside the club level qualifications, so I'll renew those in Feb/March. Two are handicapped accessible I purchase for my quadriplegic cousin, and those won't be available until Feb/March either.

And yea, being as I'm a 47 yr old, 3rd generation Dallas native, I go to TS every once in awhile.

Congratulations. Im happy for you. Your the first person i know that had renewed your seats. Everyone in my section is pissed off and really....really mad.

you are talking about a 250% price increase on a ticket from last years prices. And thats not including the psl.

I could have seen playing 340.00 per ticket with a $15000 PSL. but this is outrageous. Like someone else said. Whats going to happen with a 1-15 season. how about a 5-11 season?

2008 will be the first time Texas Stadium sold out at 64,000 people. I dont see Jerrys math working correctly.

One thing i do know is that Jerry had to be the angryest (sp) man on earth on sunday because the season ticket would have been much easier to sell if we would have at least gone to the superbowl. By losing i think made sales just a little bit harder.

I think Jerry WILL do everything possible this offseason to make the Cowboys a winner next year and the year after in an attempt to sell more PSL's. After Jerry has made his money who knows what he will do.

 

[kingwhicker]

Just for the record, anybody that works for a living that would pay for even the "Red" package is an utter fool, no offense to anyone who might, but I couldn't afford it if I wanted to. It'll be single game nose bleeds for me if I ever choose make the trip to Dallas to go see this squad again.

 

[kingwhicker]

The Carolina Panther had the highest PSL charged in history when they funded their new stadium.

And the place lies half empty (at best) for most games. That year they were 1-15 all you could see were blue seats and grey seats in the mezannine level. Same thing will happen at JerryWorld.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Same thing will happen at JerryWorld.

 

[utrunner07]

100% Agree with you...its not that Dallas is not going to be America's Team anymore, its that football is going to loose its place as America's sport. Its a shame...I miss the good ol days....its a shame greedy rich billionairs are taking this away from us.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Amazing prices set by Jerry, considering that he stated in an earlier article, (The Business Journal I believe) that he expects to sell the naming rights to the stadium for close to $1 Billion. That would pretty much pay for the stadium right there.

 

[Duane]

Amazing prices set by Jerry, considering that he stated in an earlier article, (The Business Journal I believe) that he expects to sell the naming rights to the stadium for close to $1 Billion. That would pretty much pay for the stadium right there.

He's got to have enough cash in his pocket to pay for RJ after he shops himself around.

 

[THUMPER]

And the place lies half empty (at best) for most games. That year they were 1-15 all you could see were blue seats and grey seats in the mezannine level. Same thing will happen at JerryWorld.

Not when the Cowboys play them, that place is packed then. Mostly with Cowboys fans though! :starspin

 

[ilovejerry]

Well Besides the heartbreak of going to the game and watching the Cowboys lose this weekend. I also had a much bigger heartbreak while in Dallas. As a season ticket holder I got my chance to get to hear Jerry’s sales pitch in an attempt to get me to purchase ticket to the new stadium. I wanted to share my sincere heartbreak with my fellow Cowboys fans to show how greedy Jerry Jones really is and how this is only a business to him and he could care less about the fans.

I ask the mods to please not remove this post out of the of the “Fan Zone” because I believe all "fans" should read it and understand what it will soon cost to see a Cowboys game live.

I would first like to tell you that I am a diehard Cowboys fan in New Mexico. I have a wife and three children between. Between my wife and I we make an annual income of $160,000.00. In 2002 I purchased the rights to Cowboys season tickets from a gentlemen who owned the seats since 1975. The tickets are on the 45 yard line 12 rows behind the Cowboys bench. Since then I have traveled to Dallas 6 times a year to see my Cowboys play. I would trade 2 of the games to the guy next to me for his tickets so I would be able to take my kids once a year to see a game.

In November I received my package telling me that I would have 2 seats in a comparable location and that I needed to schedule a visit to the sales office to see the presentation and to find out where my seats were located.

So on Saturday I attended my appointment. I was greeted but one of Jerry’s sales people who told me all about the new stadium and the new “Club Level” that I would be a member of once I purchased me new seats. I was shown a 4 foot model of the new stadium and even taken in a room to see a video of the history of the Dallas Cowboys. I was also allowed to sit in the new stadium seats which happened to be leather. Then came the dreaded part.

I was taken into another room where I was shown a computer image of the new stadium and where my assigned seats were located. My new seats were on the lowest level closest to the field and 15 rows behind the Cowboys bench. Not too shabby I thought! Then came the pricing. The pricing was as follows:

The “Club Level” pricing was broken down in three categories.

RED- $ 16,000 per seat = $32,000 for a set of two seats.
These are seats located from the goal line to the 25 yard line.

GREEN- $ 35,000 per seat = $ 70,000 for a set of two seats.
These seats are located from the 25 yard line to the 35 yard line.

Yellow- $ 50,000 per seat = 100,000 for a set of two seats.
These seats are located from the 35 yard line to the 50 yard line.

My allotted seated were in the Green price range which meant $ 70,000 for my two seats.
The salesman told me I had three options of payment.

Pay $ 70,000 all up front.
Pay the $70,000 in three easy payments before 2009.
OR finance the $70,000 over a 30 year period with 8.5% interest. With 20% down
($ 14,340)

Well my ONLY option was to see what it would cost me to finance the $70,000 over the 30 years. The salesman was quick to tell me how great an investment it would be and provided me with the following breakdown and told be the cost would be ONLY
$11,580 per year for the two seats.

340.00 x 2 = $ 680.00 for two tickets per game
680.00 x 10 games = $ 6800.00
Seat option invoice= $ 4780.00
Total $11580.00 per year

He then handed me the contract which showed the amount financed $ 55,660.00 (minus the down payment of $ 14,340.00) financed for 30 years at 8.52% came out to $157,739.69.

So for the rights to two tickets on the 35 yard line would cost me $ 157,739.69 over the thirty year period. I thought THAT’S CRAZY!!!!

But as I did the math in my head I quickly realized that:

$11,580.00 x 30 years = over $ 350,000.00. So I asked him about the price discrepancy. He told me he was not sure but that the figures on the papers were right and that he did not have a calculator. Well thanks to my calculator on my cell phone I quickly realized that the $157,000 that was listed on the paper did not include the price of each year’s tickets. The price of the tickets over the 30 year period would be $204,000.00. The salesman was quick to tell me that the 340.00 per ticket was guaranteed for 5 years and I would have to pay the going rate after the 5 years.

For the rights to own two tickets to the Dallas Cowboys on the 35 yard line would cost a whooping $ 350,000.00 over the thirty year period.

I turned to the salesman and asked could you afford to own tickets in the new stadium. He said no but it’s a good investment if you can afford it. Its kind of like buying a house. I then told him, no it isn’t because after I pay 30 years on the house the house is mine. And I can sell the house or give it to my kids or do what I want with it. I asked him what I get after 30 years of paying my seat options and he sadly said nothing. That’s right! After paying 30 years and $ 350,000 in seat options you walk away with nothing, zero, nada! Well I’m mistaking you do get a chance to buy the same tickets for the new going rate. Now ain’t that a bunch of CRAP!
Needless to say this Cowboy fan who used to drive (or fly) a 10 hour trip, rent a hotel room for 3 days pay to eat out for three days to see my Cowboys play will not longer be able to afford to see any games.

Instead of America’s Team, Jerry Jones has sold out to Corporate America.

NOTE: the $ 340.00 ticket price per seat is ANY seat between each goal line regardless of the $16,000, $35,000 or $50,000 seat option you buy.

And for those who used to buy a cheap ticket to a preseason game? YUP you guess it $340.00 per seat even in preseason!

Heart broken and disgruntled!

Sir, You are absolutely correct, But I digress what about the Parking, you forgot that, As you I had a similar pitch,

Also to the Mods. How do I go about changing my name to I-don't-lovejerry

 

[kingwhicker]

Not when the Cowboys play them, that place is packed then. Mostly with Cowboys fans though! :starspin