An allpro WR that wants to be traded that no one is talking about

CATCH17

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DFWJC;2137512 said:
Good one. You and I both know nothing is anywhere close being guaranteed in this league. See 2007 Pats for that one.

Thats why I put that "almost" word in front of guarantee.

Torry Holt would bring great speed with great route running opposite of Owens.

Teams already have a ton of problems defending us now.

Witten might set every record for a TE too if we had a Holt/Owens combo.
 

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CATCH17;2137531 said:
Thats why I put that "almost" word in front of guarantee.

Torry Holt would bring great speed with great route running opposite of Owens.

Teams already have a ton of problems defending us now.

Witten might set every record for a TE too if we had a Holt/Owens combo.

No doubt if everyone stayed injury free,we would have a team in serious contention....even moreso than now.
 

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Didn't KC Joyner just mention that something like 80 of the passes thrown to Colston were against non-cornerbacks? Colston is a fantastic possession WR but he is just that, a possession WR. Not saying that I wouldn't want him, just thought that I would point that out. Of all the WRs who caught 80 or more passes, something like 20 players, Colston had the 5th worst YPC, only beating out other possession WRs.
 

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iceberg;2137445 said:
does TO? did Irvin?

i think people get a virtual supersized boner for speed and forget it's just one aspect of the position.

Colston is a possession receiver, TO and Irvin are/were game-changers
 

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Bob Sacamano;2137757 said:
Colston is a possession receiver, TO and Irvin are/were game-changers

but they were not speed receivers. you're mixing up the argument here. : )
 

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iceberg;2137445 said:
does TO? did Irvin?

i think people get a virtual supersized boner for speed and forget it's just one aspect of the position.

iceberg;2137844 said:
but they were not speed receivers. you're mixing up the argument here. : )

Yes, TO is a speed WR. He's not the fastest guy but he gets behind people. And he doesn't get caught from behind. Not your prototypical speed WR but he's fast enough. I certainly wouldn't qualify him as a possession WR like Irvin was.

Separately, I'd be on board for Torry Holt who is one of the best WRs around. That's only if TG is released though as I see them as roughly equal in role and talent.
 

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jobberone;2137858 said:
Yes, TO is a speed WR. He's not the fastest guy but he gets behind people. And he doesn't get caught from behind. Not your prototypical speed WR but he's fast enough. I certainly wouldn't qualify him as a possession WR like Irvin was.

Separately, I'd be on board for Torry Holt who is one of the best WRs around. That's only if TG is released though as I see them as roughly equal in role and talent.

fair enough. my point is originally that only speed was the answer and i'm simply saying no.
 

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iceberg;2137864 said:
fair enough. my point is originally that only speed was the answer and i'm simply saying no.

And you're correct. It takes a lot more than speed to make an elite WR even an elite speed WR.

I also agree with a lot of what you've said on this subject.
 

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Pick6TerenceNewman;2136993 said:
Colston is a top ten WR and would be an awesome fit here! He is worth a first and a third.
You have got to be kidding me. Seriously.
 

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iceberg;2137475 said:
i love it more when people don't pay attention to what i say and go off on some trail of stupidity on their own pretending that was my point cause they totally blew by my own REAL point.

let me requote so you don't do this again.

"how many 1st round WR's live up to that pick? not many. "

now, what i am saying here is that WRs picked in the 1st round had a low success rate given the 1st round pick. the 1st round is defined by every team having an opportunity to pick barring a trade OR cheating. so, the 1st 32 players normally constitutes a ROUND and being the 1st 32 players, we refer to that as teh FIRST ROUND.

now, how many FIRST ROUND WRs lived up to that pick? not many.

i don't give a damn about picks 33 and beyond cause in normal circumstances this is NOT considered the 1st round. this is the 2nd round and beyond. with me so far? i'm not comparing WR value to WR value, but WR value to 1ST ROUND PICKS of this decade.

and in case that was confusing to you, here's another quote that follows the same trail of logic.

7 of 28 WRs drafted in this decade in my mind could be arguably still a 1st round pick or still hold a 1st round value. that's 25% of the picks in the end for WRs in this decade wound up being worth that pick.

now, all i'm saying is what WRs drafted in the FIRST ROUND would still get that grade today? in my mind, 7. now if you wanna bust up that # and make it higher or lower based on your own criteria, that would actually fit the topic i'm talking about.

i said ONLY 1ST ROUND WRs were counted cause that was what was spent on them at the time. I DID NOT SAY other WRs TODAY wouldn't be worth it AT THE TIME. they would. but that's not the point and i never said it was.

the point was what value we get out of the 1st round picks of this decade.

nothing else.

the point is, can a later round WR be worth a 1st round grade later? damn skippy. happens all the time. 21 1st round WRs in 2000-2008 in my mind wouldn't get a 1st round pick again.

would coulston? likely. i think if we knew then what we know now about him he'd be a 1st round pick. the only difference here is you KNOW what you can expect from him for the most part.

you know nothing of ANY 1st round WR pick in NFL terms beyond speculation, of which i was trying to illustrate but you seem to have missed. so my next point is i really don't care WHAT the WR class is like this time, i'd spend a 1st rounder on some security and knowledge of what they can do vs. taking a WR at our 30+ pick cause they were available.

i'm sorry i made that a difficult point, i really am. i thought i was clear in trying to compare what's been a 1st round grade in this decade to performance on the field to show how our late 1st round could be better spent on a trade for a WR than throwing the dice into a void that in this decade has bee wrong 75% of the time.

any more clear? what coulston would cost $ wise isn't my point. my point is and ONLY IS finding WR value with our 1st round pick.

Got agree with my man iceberg here 1st round wr's definitely has a huge risk attached to them.

That's because sometimes they're used to being able to outrun every college cb's or out muscle them, but can't do that in the pro game.

I'd give up my 1st and 3rd any day for a roy williams, boldin, and maybe colston(depending on this season)

Before I'd take any rookie you're talking about guys who are young and have dominated at times on the big stage.

And since when has tony romo become this deep play qb?

Colston would be a good fit here in dallas you can always find deep threats that are just deep threats later.

He's a guy that can move the chains and catch td's in the end zone.
 

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royw3141;2138173 said:
Got agree with my man iceberg here 1st round wr's definitely has a huge risk attached to them.

That's because sometimes they're used to being able to outrun every college cb's or out muscle them, but can't do that in the pro game.

I'd give up my 1st and 3rd any day for a roy williams, boldin, and maybe colston(depending on this season)

Before I'd take any rookie you're talking about guys who are young and have dominated at times on the big stage.

And since when has tony romo become this deep play qb?

Colston would be a good fit here in dallas you can always find deep threats that are just deep threats later.

He's a guy that can move the chains and catch td's in the end zone.


all i'm saying. thanks for understanding. a 2-3 year proven WR in the league worth more than todays hype in the draft? not to me.

like you, i'd give up a 1st and a 3rd easy for known performance in r. wiliams, bolden, and the like. coulston? not sure. maybe 1 more year to see what he can do but if he's good, NO will keep him. it's not like detroit where they're tied up in high $ wr's already.

all i've been saying is drafting a WR in round 1 has been a pretty high risk with a 25% success rate (which yes could be argued up or down) i'd rather trade my 1st rounder *IF I NEED A WR* for one proven.
 
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KDWilliams85;2137041 said:
I can name at least 15 better receivers than Colston off the top of my head. And.... in no particular order!

1) Marvin Harrison
2) Reggie Wayne
3) Randy Moss
4) Terrell Owens
5) Larry Fitzgerald
6) Anquan Boldin
7) Roy Williams
8) Chad Johnson
9) Braylon Edwards
10) Plaxico Burress
11) Torry Holt
12) Andre Johnson
13) T.J. Houshmanzadeh
14) Steve Smith
15) Lee Evans
Colston is in the 7-9 range... check his stats, he's been productive from the getgo and is still very young. Andre Johnson, Houshmandzadeh, and Steve Smith are way too low as well, while Roy Williams, Marvin Harrison (today's MH, not yesterday's), and Plaxico Burress are too high. Boldin and Fitz are both a bit high too, but they're similar to Colston, just a little older, I think, though certainly not old. If you look at it as "who would you rather have for the next 8 years"--Colston has to be in the top 4 for sure.
 
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