An ominous site on the evidence for/against M Vick

[dwmyers]

Though the site's focus is pet abuse, the list of articles and the diversity of views expressed are useful, IMO. At least in Atlanta you can't get away from the talk on any sports station, television or radio.

http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/11312/VA/US/

David Myers

 

[silverbear]

Though the site's focus is pet abuse, the list of articles and the diversity of views expressed are useful, IMO. At least in Atlanta you can't get away from the talk on any sports station, television or radio.

http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/11312/VA/US/

David Myers

Poindexter REFUSED A SEARCH WARRANT??

What kind of prosecutor is that??!? I'm tellin' ya, this guy is doing everything he possibly can to sweep this under the rug, even in the white-hot glare of the spotlight... the Commonwealth of Virginia needs to step in and remove him from this investigation, appoint an independent Commonwealth's Attorney from outside that area...

If a search warrant is signed by a judge, i.e., if it's legal, I don't know how ANY alleged representative of our judicial system could refuse to honor it...

The sheriff ain't much better... I begin to understand what they meant in several articles I've read when, talking of the difficulty of prosecuting Vick in this, it was said that he has "multiple layers of protection" down in that area...

You're right, anybody who takes the time to go to that website and read what they have posted there will have a pretty fair grasp of the nature of the investigation and the evidence that has come to light thus far, as well as the rumors around this situation...

I invite all interested parties to read it, and come to their own conclusions... I know I've come to mine, and to me it's the only possible conclusion if you read the case against Ron Mexico:

As Garry Trudeau once memorably wrote of Richard Nixon, "Guilty, Guilty, Guilty"...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Poindexter REFUSED A SEARCH WARRANT??

What kind of prosecutor is that??!? I'm tellin' ya, this guy is doing everything he possibly can to sweep this under the rug, even in the white-hot glare of the spotlight... the Commonwealth of Virginia needs to step in and remove him from this investigation, appoint an independent Commonwealth's Attorney from outside that area...

If a search warrant is signed by a judge, i.e., if it's legal, I don't know how ANY alleged representative of our judicial system could refuse to honor it...

The sheriff ain't much better... I begin to understand what they meant in several articles I've read when, talking of the difficulty of prosecuting Vick in this, it was said that he has "multiple layers of protection" down in that area...

You're right, anybody who takes the time to go to that website and read what they have posted there will have a pretty fair grasp of the nature of the investigation and the evidence that has come to light thus far, as well as the rumors around this situation...

I invite all interested parties to read it, and come to their own conclusions... I know I've come to mine, and to me it's the only possible conclusion if you read the case against Ron Mexico:

As Garry Trudeau once memorably wrote of Richard Nixon, "Guilty, Guilty, Guilty"...

he said the language of the search warrant was insufficient for what he needed. You have no idea of said language nor the circumstances nor anything about the prosecutor himself. Yet for some reason you go off on this tirade. Its pathetic.

The only evidence against Vick is a single unnamed informant who also happens to be a dogfighter. The authorities themsleves stated that Vick ws not at that house often if at all. Quite frankly the way you go about yourself is irresponsible.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

he said the language of the search warrant was insufficient for what he needed. You have no idea of said language nor the circumstances nor anything about the prosecutor himself. Yet for some reason you go off on this tirade. Its pathetic.

The only evidence against Vick is a single unnamed informant who also happens to be a dogfighter. The authorities themsleves stated that Vick ws not at that house often if at all. Quite frankly the way you go about yourself is irresponsible.

who also happens to have been involved in the prosecution of 5 dog-fighters

 

[Chocolate Lab]

he said the language of the search warrant was insufficient for what he needed. You have no idea of said language nor the circumstances nor anything about the prosecutor himself. Yet for some reason you go off on this tirade. Its pathetic.

The only evidence against Vick is a single unnamed informant who also happens to be a dogfighter. The authorities themsleves stated that Vick ws not at that house often if at all. Quite frankly the way you go about yourself is irresponsible.

Vick's involvement is irrelevant. There's enough evidence to proceed against whoever it is that was fighting those dogs:

"I know everybody is saying, 'When are those fools in Surry County going to get up off their butts and do something?' " Poindexter said. "But what are we going to do?"

He said there are no eyewitnesses to say there was dog fighting at the property. Until the search was conducted, the house was occupied by Vick's cousin, and Vick has said he was rarely there. Vick, a Newport News native and star player at Virginia Tech, has since sold the home on rural Moonlight Road for about half of its market value.

The 66 dogs are being housed in kennels in four counties, with Surry County taxpayers paying up to $25,000 for their care until the case is over.

Until January this year, there was a kennel license for 40 to 50 dogs at the property. Investigators have been unable to locate the man, Tony Taylor, whose name appeared on the license, Poindexter said. Taylor declined to comment last week when he returned a call from The Virginian-Pilot. He hung up when Vick's name was mentioned.

Poindexter, commonwealth's attorney in Surry County for 12 years, said he's never met Vick but that from everything he's heard, Vick is a nice guy.

Mark Kumpf, a dog fighting expert who is helping investigators on the case, disagreed with Poindexter about the strength of the evidence.

"There is more evidence there than has been used to convict several other people in Virginia," he said Wednesday, after he was told of Poindexter's comments.

Now there is a remark at the end of that site saying that Poindexter got burned years ago:

Poindexter said he is being "very, very careful" with this case because another fighting situation a few years ago taught him a lesson.

"We lost that one because of an illegal search, a Fourth Amendment violation," Poin-dexter said.

But having seem Poindexter interviewed, I agree with Bear. He acts like this is a hassle he doesn't want to deal with, like he wishes this would just go away.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

he said the language of the search warrant was insufficient for what he needed. You have no idea of said language nor the circumstances nor anything about the prosecutor himself. Yet for some reason you go off on this tirade. Its pathetic.

The only evidence against Vick is a single unnamed informant who also happens to be a dogfighter. The authorities themsleves stated that Vick ws not at that house often if at all. Quite frankly the way you go about yourself is irresponsible.

According to that link, there is substantially more evidence against Vick then what you are suggesting IMO. According to that link, Vick can be placed on the property during the time of the dogs training, the equipment used for Dog Fighting was also present and Vick, on many occasions, purchased supplies for the Dogs including medical supplies. Vick had to have known training and fighting was going on if he, himself purchased said supplies. More to come I suppose.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

According to that link, there is substantially more evidence against Vick then what you are suggesting IMO. According to that link, Vick can be placed on the property during the time of the dogs training, the equipment used for Dog Fighting was also present and Vick, on many occasions, purchased supplies for the Dogs including medical supplies. Vick had to have known training and fighting was going on if he, himself purchased said supplies. More to come I suppose.

there is a mountain of evidence indicating that there was dogfighting there. the people who lived at that house will be going to jail. there is not a mountain of evdience implicating vick.

the key with vick is linking him to that evidence. it is one thing to say that vick went to a dogfight once and quite another to say that vick was involved much less behind all of the dogfighting at that house.

as for the purchasing trail would you care to link it cause ive seen nothing putting him at the house much less buying anything other than syringes.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Vick's involvement is irrelevant. There's enough evidence to proceed against whoever it is that was fighting those dogs:



Now there is a remark at the end of that site saying that Poindexter got burned years ago:



But having seem Poindexter interviewed, I agree with Bear. He acts like this is a hassle he doesn't want to deal with, like he wishes this would just go away.

i interpret as a guy wo is feeling a lot of public pressure to do something he knows he doesnt have the evidence to support.

you guys want an arrest to satisfy your punitive nature where there is none warranted.

 

[Hostile]

he said the language of the search warrant was insufficient for what he needed. You have no idea of said language nor the circumstances nor anything about the prosecutor himself. Yet for some reason you go off on this tirade. Its pathetic.

The only evidence against Vick is a single unnamed informant who also happens to be a dogfighter. The authorities themsleves stated that Vick ws not at that house often if at all. Quite frankly the way you go about yourself is irresponsible.

The only evidence against John Gotti was a single informant who also happened to be a mobster and hitman.

Therefore Gotti should have been left alone?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The only evidence against John Gotti was a single informant who also happened to be a mobster and hitman.

Therefore Gotti should have been left alone?

if im not mistaken they made special laws to deal with the fact that winesses against the mob had a habit of dying before they could testify. i read gravano book too. i thought it was pretty good.

anyway typically speaking uncorroborated witness testimony is not enough to convict someone. now i realize that there are exception with accomplices and mobsters etc but by and large it is a good rule of thumb.

people get mad at me but i really dont see enough evidence to link vick to what went on at that house.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

if im not mistaken they made special laws to deal with the fact that winesses against the mob had a habit of dying before they could testify. i read gravano book too. i thought it was pretty good.

they didn't give mob winesses' testimony more weight than other's

anyway typically speaking uncorroborated witness testimony is not enough to convict someone.

so you would need more than a police officer seeing you commit a crime and testifying against you, to be convicted?

now I realize that there are exception with accomplices and mobsters etc but by and large it is a good rule of thumb.

there are no exceptions, a witnesses' testimony is taken into evidence in a court of law unless it's proven that the witnesses' testimony is perjured

 

[Hostile]

if im not mistaken they made special laws to deal with the fact that winesses against the mob had a habit of dying before they could testify. i read gravano book too. i thought it was pretty good.

anyway typically speaking uncorroborated witness testimony is not enough to convict someone. now i realize that there are exception with accomplices and mobsters etc but by and large it is a good rule of thumb.

people get mad at me but i really dont see enough evidence to link vick to what went on at that house.

I'll admit, in every case it would be nice to have eyewitnesses with the integrity of Mother Teresa or Mahatma Ghandhi. Unfortunately for us, these high character people do not float in the cesspools of life.

Lack of witnesses and evidence does not equal not guilty although it could equal no charges filed.

I have no idea either way.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

there is a mountain of evidence indicating that there was dogfighting there. the people who lived at that house will be going to jail. there is not a mountain of evdience implicating vick.

the key with vick is linking him to that evidence. it is one thing to say that vick went to a dogfight once and quite another to say that vick was involved much less behind all of the dogfighting at that house.

as for the purchasing trail would you care to link it cause ive seen nothing putting him at the house much less buying anything other than syringes.

Mary Kay Mallonee, a reporter for the television station WAVY, has been investigating the Michael Vick dog-fighting story, and in a radio interview yesterday, she described Vick's property as "a huge operation" where investigators found blood-soaked carpeting and wounded dogs.

Mallonnee interviewed employees of a store near Vick's property and reported:

"There's a store nearby and the clerks there said, 'Yeah, he comes in here often to buy supplies, lots of supplies, for the dogs, including things like syringes.'"

Meanwhile, the Humane Society is citing Vick as well as other NFL players past and present in telling commissioner Roger Goodell that he his league has a serious problem with dog fighting and cruelty to animals.

Prosecutors say that Vick's claims about never visiting the home and being completely unaware of what was happening at the Surry County home are simply not true. Additionally, WAVY searched their archive for chopper footage of back when the Vick home was being built in 2003, when Vick had his double-wide trailer hauled away and a 4700 square foot home built.

Their footage clearly shows the same three outbuildings used to contain some of the the dogs, complete with areas for training, and evidence of dogs at the property.

Interviews with a construction worker who helped build the house in 2003 confirmed not only that Vick was there routinely while the house was being built, but also that there were at least 40 dogs on the property, as well as the dog-fighting equipment police seized.

According to the Commonwealth Attorney, there is no question that Vick visits the Surry property often.

Investigators also found the skeletal remains of at least one dog on the Surry County property, estimated to have been there for approximately two years.

These two things suggest to me that there is more evidence linking Vick, assuming of course this is factual reporting.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mary Kay Mallonee, a reporter for the television station WAVY, has been investigating the Michael Vick dog-fighting story, and in a radio interview yesterday, she described Vick's property as "a huge operation" where investigators found blood-soaked carpeting and wounded dogs.

Mallonnee interviewed employees of a store near Vick's property and reported:

"There's a store nearby and the clerks there said, 'Yeah, he comes in here often to buy supplies, lots of supplies, for the dogs, including things like syringes.'"

Meanwhile, the Humane Society is citing Vick as well as other NFL players past and present in telling commissioner Roger Goodell that he his league has a serious problem with dog fighting and cruelty to animals.

Prosecutors say that Vick's claims about never visiting the home and being completely unaware of what was happening at the Surry County home are simply not true. Additionally, WAVY searched their archive for chopper footage of back when the Vick home was being built in 2003, when Vick had his double-wide trailer hauled away and a 4700 square foot home built.

Their footage clearly shows the same three outbuildings used to contain some of the the dogs, complete with areas for training, and evidence of dogs at the property.

Interviews with a construction worker who helped build the house in 2003 confirmed not only that Vick was there routinely while the house was being built, but also that there were at least 40 dogs on the property, as well as the dog-fighting equipment police seized.

According to the Commonwealth Attorney, there is no question that Vick visits the Surry property often.

Investigators also found the skeletal remains of at least one dog on the Surry County property, estimated to have been there for approximately two years.

These two things suggest to me that there is more evidence linking Vick, assuming of course this is factual reporting.

fair enough brah. i didnt see that part on the construction of the house. that would lend credence that he was at least aware of what was going on.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

fair enough brah. i didnt see that part on the construction of the house. that would lend credence that he was at least aware of what was going on.

Would be better for everybody if this thing proved to be false but I don't know that we've heard the last of this as yet.

Time will tell I suppose.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

they didn't give mob winesses' testimony more weight than other's



so you would need more than a police officer seeing you commit a crime and testifying against you, to be convicted?



there are no exceptions, a witnesses' testimony is taken into evidence in a court of law unless it's proven that the witnesses' testimony is perjured

do me a favor and google uncorroborated witness testimony and get back to me. sorry summer i have hard time taking anything you say seriously. you just make stuff up.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Would be better for everybody if this thing proved to be false but I don't know that we've heard the last of this as yet.

Time will tell I suppose.

i imagine it will get very muddled. supposedly there will be a grand jury in july and well know more then.

 

[silverbear]

who also happens to have been involved in the prosecution of 5 dog-fighters

With a 100 per cent conviction rate in those prosecutions...

 

[silverbear]

According to that link, there is substantially more evidence against Vick then what you are suggesting IMO.

Indeed there is... seems that somebody felt the need to distort the truth, even with a link provided that clearly disproves the assertion that the case against Michael Vick rests entirely on one informant...

Of course, that need to distort the facts tells us all we know about the agendas of some posters in here...

According to that link, Vick can be placed on the property during the time of the dogs training, the equipment used for Dog Fighting was also present and Vick, on many occasions, purchased supplies for the Dogs including medical supplies.

According to the store's owner, and two different employees of the store... ooops, now we're up to four different witnesses, three of them in direct rebuttal to Vick's alibi, his claim that he was never there...

Then there's the question raised about who PAID for this operation-- it has been noted that it would have taken 100 bucks a day or more just to FEED those animals... and the relatives living there were living there for free, suggesting they wouldn't have had the kind of cash flow to be able to afford the Gravy Train...

Vick had to have known training and fighting was going on if he, himself purchased said supplies.

If he was on the property even once, he had to have known what was going on there... reputable "breeders" do not neglect their animals... reputable "breeders" do not tie their animals out with chains attached to car axles buried in the ground... reputable breeders have no need of bite sticks...

Any number of law enforcement types who were on the property have said they had no doubt whatsoever about what was going on there... if Vick was EVER on that property, he had to know, too... he HAD to...

 

[dwmyers]

Then there's the question raised about who PAID for this operation-- it has been noted that it would have taken 100 bucks a day or more just to FEED those animals... and the relatives living there were living there for free, suggesting they wouldn't have had the kind of cash flow to be able to afford the Gravy Train...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2859561

You can also google "Vick's Canine Kennels" and catch a glimpse of the url (now abandoned) and bits of info here and there.

David.