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[KJJ]

No but you can get a good sense of a player based on the interviews they go through and the individual work teams do with players. Granted that does not ensure anything there are no guarantees all any team can do is go through the process of scouting players, working with player and hope they pan out. Dallas did not reach for Dak they took him where they felt he would be. As for how he has developed that is a testament to Dak and the coaches. Could it be predicted? NO does that make it luck? No I don't think so. Every time a mid to late player develops into a quality player is that pure luck?

If you are saying drafting any QB is just luck that is fine call it what you will but I think there is more than luck involved. If all this is, is luck then why bother hiring a scouting department and working guys out? None of that evidently means anything

We're not talking just "players" we're talking "QBs" and there's no bigger gamble than drafting a QB. It doesn't matter how many interviews or pre workouts you put them through, you won't know what they're really made of until you suit them up and throw them in an NFL game. The list of QB mistakes is a mile long. Goff was the #1 overall pick and finally got his first start this past Sunday and looked no better than he did in preseason. He's already looking like a huge mistake for the Rams.

He was suppose to be the most pro ready QB in the draft. lol What I'm saying is how a QB turns out is luck. There's no guarantees they'll turn out to be good players regardless how high in the draft you take them. They could have every physical attribute you're looking for and go bust because of a number of reasons that couldn't be measured until they faced NFL talent.

 

[KJJ]

I guess this upcoming game will be the battle of the lucky picks since Cousins himself is nothing more than a 4th rd pick.

Cousins is a perfect example of the gamble you take drafting a QB. RG3 was taken with the #2 overall pick and went bust and Cousins who was taken by Washington in the same draft in the 4th round has turned into a viable NFL QB. Cousins turning out better than RG3 was pretty lucky, do you not agree? That shows just how unpredictable drafting a QB is. Had the Commanders not taken Cousins they wouldn't have a QB right now and would probably be in the basement of the NFC East.

 

[Doomsday101]

Cousins is a perfect example of the gamble you take drafting a QB. RG3 was taken with the #2 overall pick and went bust and Cousins who was taken by Washington in the same draft in the 4th round has turned into a viable NFL QB. Cousins turning out better than RG3 was pretty lucky, do you not agree? That shows just how unpredictable drafting a QB is. Had the Commanders not taken Cousins they wouldn't have a QB right now and would probably be in the basement of the NFC East.

a gamble? OK but again it is not pure luck. They took RGIII with high expectation and he failed but that does not change the fact they though enough of Cousins to draft him. Players are not drafting themselves team put in the time the effort to work these guys out. They could have selected anyone else left on the board besides Cousins so then why take him? Unpredictable of how things can turn out? Yes but unpredictable is not luck. these players, scouts and coaches work to damn hard to claim it is all luck.

Pure luck to me is grabbing a name out of a hat and not putting in time or work to find out about that player and just taking him. That is luck

 

[KJJ]

a gamble? OK but again it is not pure luck. They took RGIII with high expectation and he failed but that does not change the fact they though enough of Cousins to draft him. Players are not drafting themselves team put in the time the effort to work these guys out. They could have selected anyone else left on the board besides Cousins so then why take him? Unpredictable of how things can turn out? Yes but unpredictable is not luck. these players, scouts and coaches work to damn hard to claim it is all luck.

It was PURE LUCK that a QB taken in the 4th round turned out better than a QB taken with the #2 overall pick. They thought a lot of RG3 giving up the farm to trade up and get him. They didn't think that much of Cousins taking him in the 4th round. They could have selected anyone else but Cousins but they selected him and got lucky. It made no sense to anyone why they even took Cousins after everything they gave up for RG3.

 

[Doomsday101]

It was PURE LUCK that a QB taken in the 4th round turned out better than a QB taken with the #2 overall pick. They thought a lot of RG3 giving up the farm to trade up and get him. They didn't think that much of Cousins taking him in the 4th round. They could have selected anyone else but Cousins but they selected him and got lucky. It made no sense to anyone why they even took Cousins after everything they gave up for RG3.

Fine it was all luck. lol RGIII failure had nothing to do with Cousins ability as a ball player. cousins spent time after practice working over the same things over and over. RGIII was making commercials and living in the lime light. Hard work paid off it was not luck it was a stupid player vs a player willing to do what it took to get the job done. I will never call hard work by a player luck or a stupid player who is more interested in outside things who blows his career unlucky. Both men made their own so called luck

Fact is a reason why so many QB bust early in the draft is because teams reach for them because of the importance of the position. There have been a lot of 1st rd QB who should not have even been picked like Sam Bradford, no one can convince me he was 1st rd talent he busted because Philly wanted a QB that badly.

 

[KJJ]

Fine it was all luck. lol RGIII failure had nothing to do with Cousins ability as a ball player. cousins spent time after practice working over the same things over and over. RGIII was making commercials and living in the lime light. Hard work paid off it was not luck it was a stupid player vs a player willing to do what it took to get the job done. I will never call hard work by a player luck or a stupid player who is more interested in outside things who blows his career unlucky. Both men made their own so called luck

Fact is a reason why so many QB bust early in the draft is because teams reach for them because of the importance of the position. There have been a lot of 1st rd QB who should not have even been picked like Sam Bradford, no one can convince me he was 1st rd talent he busted because Philly wanted a QB that badly.

Anytime you draft a QB that high and they go bust and you have one taken in the 4th round that ends up better that's luck! Do you think Washington thought that would happen? lol Was that how they planned it out? If they had any idea Cousins would be that good and RG3 would end up a flop they would have never made the trade to get RG3. The Commanders knew what a crapshoot drafting a QB is so they wanted to cover themselves hoping one of those QBs would turn out, never expecting it would be Cousins. Their franchise knew from past experience what could happen because in 1994 they drafted Health Shuler #3 overall and Gus Frerotte in the 7th round and Shuler went bust and Frerotte panned out.

 

[BARRYRAY]

You guys don't get it, its the HEB honey barbeque chicken wings, 9 weeks in a row..they have the mojo baby

 

[Doomsday101]

Anytime you draft a QB that high and they go bust and you have one taken in the 4th round that ends up better that's luck! Do you think Washington thought that would happen? lol Was that how they planned it out? If they had any idea Cousins would be that good and RG3 would end up a flop they would have never made the trade to get RG3. The Commanders knew what a crapshoot drafting a QB is so they wanted to cover themselves hoping one of those QBs would turn out, never expecting it would be Cousins. Their franchise knew from past experience what could happen because in 1994 they drafted Health Shuler #3 overall and Gus Frerotte in the 7th round and Shuler went bust and Frerotte panned out.

That is not luck because RGIII did not put in the work and Cousins did. Cousin was drafted because they saw talent in him and the fact he out worked RGIII has nothing to do with luck. This is not Madden this is real life. No doubt NFL teams are making educated guesses on these players but they are talented players from the college ranks who are getting an opportunity to play in the NFL. Seeing later rd picks pan out is not a shock and as far as QB goes sure, you never know how they will pan out but I have no doubt that NFL teams will reach for QB who have no business being drafted in the 1st rd. What you seem to call pure luck I think involves a hell of a lot of work from scouting departments and coaches and GM.

Funny other teams get praised for hitting on later rd picks and the cowboys are called nothing but lucky? lol I know many hate Jerry and the organization but they went out and took a chance on Prescott others did not that is their loss.

 

[KJJ]

That is not luck because RGIII did not put in the work and Cousins did. Cousin was drafted because they saw talent in him and the fact he out worked RGIII has nothing to do with luck. This is not Madden this is real life. No doubt NFL teams are making educated guesses on these players but they are talented players from the college ranks who are getting an opportunity to play in the NFL. Seeing later rd picks pan out is not a shock and as far as QB goes sure, you never know how they will pan out but I have no doubt that NFL teams will reach for QB who have no business being drafted in the 1st rd. What you seem to call pure luck I think involves a hell of a lot of work from scouting departments and coaches and GM.

Funny other teams get praised for hitting on later rd picks and the cowboys are called nothing but lucky? lol I know many hate Jerry and the organization but they went out and took a chance on Prescott others did not that is their loss.

If you want to keep wasting time on this go ahead but I've given my opinion and we don't agree.