And so begins the black hole of the NFL year

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...a place where Basketball and Baseball rule the airwaves and dominate sports television shows. For someone who was born and raised a football fan and football only, I feel as though it is a real life version of the television show "Lost." As an aside, I really don't like that show, but my wife is a fan, so I'm familiar with the premise...and right now being a diehard Dallas Cowboys fan feels exactly like that...lost.


The cowboyszone is an oasis, but slake your thirst as much as you like at the zone-trough, you will always find your thirst still there at the end of the day. There is nothing like live-action games that actually mean something to scratch the 7 month itch without football. This year that game happens on September 11th, a day before I turn 38, against the team I have learned to hate more than any other NFCE foe: The New York Football Giants. I really hate when the media refers to them like that...but I digress.



Before I move forward, I think we as a fanship should be able to agree on a few things:

1. With a healthy Romo, this team is closer to the 12 & 4 team of 2014 than the 4 & 12 team of 2015.

2. Ramsey is not Ed Reed. Had he been, I might understand the Zeke hate…in fact, I would have been very torn between Zeke and Ramsey. But since Ramsey is perhaps a better version of Byron Jones, Zeke was the obvious pick. You don’t have to agree, but you do eventually need to get over it.

3. Drafting Jaylin Smith was the equivalent of trading a 2016 2nd round pick for a high 2017 1st round pick. Sure, it was a gamble, but so is every other player drafted in any given year in one way or another.

Despite this dark period, I have had several topics circling the drain of my head. Rather than throw out a bunch of little threads where it becomes necessary to move back and forth between topics, which I do not have time for, I figured I would just mash them up and present them here.

How Stats Lie ~

Quite simply, stats lie because it cannot account for situational football, it does not consider other talent on the same team that the coach also likes to give the ball to, and the data being compiled by various teams are against varied competition and therefore cannot be in any way considered conclusive. To make conclusions using stats and stats alone, without the benefit of context, will likely lead you far and away from reality and an effective strategy.

For example, if coaches looked at stats and stats alone, the running game would systematically disappear, because all the stats suggest you win games by passing the ball and passing the ball alone. Of course, anyone who has watched a good amount of football understands that passing and running are symbiotic. You really can’t have an effective one without a decent other. Without the presence of a decent run game, playaction and draws would be useless devices in the game.

If teams decided to do away with the running back position, you would see the opposing defense bring in 11 corners to stand on the line at the first down marker and swarm all of the passing lanes as the play progresses. For visual reference, think back to playground football, where handing off the ball is only done if a team has a big kid no one can tackle. For the most part, the game played in the park is about passing the ball and therefore conventional pro-style formations are rarely if ever used.

I’m not trying to suggest that stats are useless; but without the benefit of context, stats can be very misleading.

Aaron Levenstein said it best: Staticstics are like bikinis, what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

Therefore, while I expect big things from Zeke, to suggest it was a wasted pick simply because he doesn’t match or improve upon the yards from scrimmage in one season Demarco did two years ago is a very misguided assertion. If the Cowboys are smart, they will limit his touches as compared to what they did to Demarco, to keep him fresh throughout the season and more importantly into the postseason.

Why Players Bust ~

The draft is a crap shoot; an accelerated version of craps, where the odds of rolling 7 or 11 decrease the further you get from your first roll. But what makes it such a gamble?

Players in the first round are rarely if ever described as projects; these are the guys you want to start from day 1. And yet, every year, several players are dubbed bust despite their draft pedigree. It’s not like they of a sudden forgot how to play the game and/or their position. So what happened?

The simple answer is (often times) money. Many of these players go from having nothing to everything. Some might say, “well, I see what you’re saying, but if I of a sudden was rich, I’d do everything I could to keep it!”

That make sense, only there is one problem with saying that now. The poor you is saying that. The rich you will likely have completely different plans; afterall, you can’t take it with you, so you may as well enjoy it while you have it, right? And I’m afraid, for many of these early 20 year old degenerates, that is the mantra they adopt until the Turk comes calling asking for their playbook and to meet the coach in their office.

For some, that is all the slap upside the head they need to figure it out and take advantage of their second chance should it come. Manziel, on the other hand, may never snap out of it for one simple reason: daddy’s rich and he doesn’t have to keep on taking those hits to live better than 90% of the people in the world, so why should he?

So, at the end of the day, when GM’s/and/or team personnel interview these players, the first question they should be asking, once they’ve established a player can play and possibly flourish in their scheme, is what is the first thing they are going to buy after they cash that first check? If they starting listing off all the things they are going to buy themselves, you may want to reconsider them in the next round from whatever round they are being projected. If they are going to take care of their family (e.g. buy mom a house and a car, take care of their kids/wife/girlfriend, family etc) this is a guy you want on your team. Why? Because his performance is about more than him and what it does for him; everything he does is about his family and what he can do for them. This guy is going to work hard at his craft because in his mind that is his only option. The guy that plays for himself and only himself will let himself down.

Granted, it’s not an exact science; but I feel pretty confident.

RKG ~

Since the day Garrett first coined the phrase, mediots, talking-heads, and (unfortunately) zoners alike have truly enjoyed grabbing Garrett by the metaphorical scruff of the neck and rubbing his nose into the acquired players that aren’t choirboys/boy scouts. Part of the issue here is the difference between his definition of RKG and that of everyone else. For many, RKG mean’s a guy who in his spare time rescue puppies and kittens and is constantly on the look-out for old ladies to assist across the street. Just so you know, though, that’s not Garrett definition at all…in fact, the two aren’t even close.

Garrett’s definition is more about the player on the field, the work the player is willing to put in off the field to perfect his craft, and what kind of teammate is said player. Does he help those around him to get better or is he a distraction. Now on that last point, many will likely scream, “but he has brought in distractions.” Fair point. But the problem with that is this consideration: just because a player is not an RKG now, he could become one. And it is that point coupled with cap-induced limitations that makes teams take chances on guys like Hardy. Sometimes it only takes being unceremoniously released from the team that drafted you to finally get it. Others, require more time to wrap their head around what they need to do to stay in the league. And since an organization cannot predict how a player is going to mix with the team, the only thing they can do is throw them in there and hope it works out. Sometimes it does. Other times it doesn’t, as we all saw with Hardy. But if you want an organization that will turn over any stone to find productive players, you will have to deal with the occasional knucklehead.

Thoughts?
 

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EE was the right pick.
I see the cowboys winning the NFCE.
Were in the non NFL dark hole.

And since I now live in, what is basically a desert, south Texas, Summer blows; ....I don't leave the Air conditioning. Don't ever leave the Air conditioning ...You don't really enjoy Summers down here, you survive them! Again, for your sake, for the general publics well being and safety, please, don't leave the Air conditioning unless its an emergency.......

Even the Trump Train is starting to feel old...

Its going to be a long summer....
 

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I agree with you on most of your points, but I especially agree with the "Why Players Bust" part.

I really think it comes down to their priorities. If a guy doesn't truly love the game of football, the chances of him succeeding for 5-10 years will dramatically drop. And you're right - I think money is the driving force for a large number of these guys.

NFL money can't be made in another profession. Especially not by the type of guys who are being drafted (by and large). So even if they don't really love the game, their love of money and the allure of quick cash is too much to turn down. And then they start to coast once they've achieved that goal. Happens all the time.

I've seen way too many Cowboys follow that same path. The fan in me hates them for it, but the person in me (who also loves money) understands, to a certain point.
 

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I know your post was really not about the "black hole", but I don't mind it at all. I'm glad for the break, and since I consider the preseason to be garbage I am mostly tuned out until Week 1 now. It seems crazy to me that in basically 3 and a half months, they'll be back at it again. While that excites me, I'm also glad to recharge and do other things. As much as I love football season, I'm also happy to enjoy the period of having all day Sunday available for as long as possible.
 

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I agree with you on most of your points, but I especially agree with the "Why Players Bust" part.

I really think it comes down to their priorities. If a guy doesn't truly love the game of football, the chances of him succeeding for 5-10 years will dramatically drop. And you're right - I think money is the driving force for a large number of these guys.

NFL money can't be made in another profession. Especially not by the type of guys who are being drafted (by and large). So even if they don't really love the game, their love of money and the allure of quick cash is too much to turn down. And then they start to coast once they've achieved that goal. Happens all the time.

I've seen way too many Cowboys follow that same path. The fan in me hates them for it, but the person in me (who also loves money) understands, to a certain point.

Lawson dude, the guy the Bills drafted.

don't blame him for anything. I guess he needs surgery on his shoulder......but didn't exactly advertise that during the drafting process...

smart move young man, smart move.
 

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EE was the right pick.
I see the cowboys winning the NFCE.
Were in the non NFL dark hole.

And since I now live in, what is basically a desert, south Texas, Summer blows; ....I don't leave the Air conditioning. Don't ever leave the Air conditioning ...You don't really enjoy Summers down here, you survive them! Again, for your sake, for the general publics well being and safety, please, don't leave the Air conditioning unless its an emergency.......

Even the Trump Train is starting to feel old...

Its going to be a long summer....

I was discussing this very point with a co-worker and he pointed out that the bigger reason why players bust is because they are the big man on campus at their program taken from a league where the competition may feature 2 or 3 draft-worthy players and the rest are just guys. When they get introduced to the pro's, they either figure out real quick that their old regimen is not going to keep them in the league or they don't. The guy's that don't fall flat on their face.

Can't argue with that...that is also a big reason for bust.
 

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I know your post was really not about the "black hole", but I don't mind it at all. I'm glad for the break, and since I consider the preseason to be garbage I am mostly tuned out until Week 1 now. It seems crazy to me that in basically 3 and a half months, they'll be back at it again. While that excites me, I'm also glad to recharge and do other things. As much as I love football season, I'm also happy to enjoy the period of having all day Sunday available for as long as possible.

Were it not for the Zeke pick, I too might have let the preseason go by without a second glance. But now I'm super curious how this kid is going to look behind that offensive line. Furthermore, I'm really curious about Dak. He has drawn Tebow comparisons, which I actually take as a good sign. The problem with Tebow is they wanted him to come in immediately and make an impact. Players like Tebow and Dak need seasoning...if you throw them in too soon you can ruin their chances to stick in the league. With the opportunity to sit behind Romo for a few years, I have high hopes that Dak could turn into something. In preseason, we get to find out if he is worth the trouble.

On the defensive side of the ball you have Collins and Tapper. We should get a better idea of what these guy's bring and rather or not they can actually make a significant impact year one..granted, it's doubtful, but there's no harm in hoping...is there?
 

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I agree with you on most of your points, but I especially agree with the "Why Players Bust" part.

I really think it comes down to their priorities. If a guy doesn't truly love the game of football, the chances of him succeeding for 5-10 years will dramatically drop. And you're right - I think money is the driving force for a large number of these guys.

NFL money can't be made in another profession. Especially not by the type of guys who are being drafted (by and large). So even if they don't really love the game, their love of money and the allure of quick cash is too much to turn down. And then they start to coast once they've achieved that goal. Happens all the time.

I've seen way too many Cowboys follow that same path. The fan in me hates them for it, but the person in me (who also loves money) understands, to a certain point.

I was discussing this very point with a co-worker and he pointed out that the bigger reason why players bust is because they are the big man on campus at their program taken from a league where the competition may feature 2 or 3 draft-worthy players and the rest are just guys. When they get introduced to the pro's, they either figure out real quick that their old regimen is not going to keep them in the league or they don't. The guy's that don't fall flat on their face.

Can't argue with that...that is also a big reason for bust.

(This response was intended for you)
 

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I know your post was really not about the "black hole", but I don't mind it at all. I'm glad for the break, and since I consider the preseason to be garbage I am mostly tuned out until Week 1 now. It seems crazy to me that in basically 3 and a half months, they'll be back at it again. While that excites me, I'm also glad to recharge and do other things. As much as I love football season, I'm also happy to enjoy the period of having all day Sunday available for as long as possible.



Yeah, well, my sundays get filled up with honey-do lists , cartoons like something called Sofia the first, who is a little bit of a snob imho, Bob Goblin, and mowing grass.....

Its weird. During football season, they just sense it, they jus know.....don't bother Joe Bobby......and they don't. Its not like I go out of my way and say anything about football season...
 

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Yeah, well, my sundays get filled up with honey-do lists , cartoons like something called Sofia the first, who is a little bit of a snob imho, Bob Goblin, and mowing grass.....

Its weird. During football season, they just sense it, they jus know.....don't bother Joe Bobby......and they don't. Its not like I go out of my way and say anything about football season...

I've been with the same gal for 11 years and she has been trained well. I will miss just about anything for anything she wants, but I won't miss a Cowboys game (including preseason) for anything. Last year, my son's play just happened to be on draft day. I missed that. That was her one wild card....
 

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I was discussing this very point with a co-worker and he pointed out that the bigger reason why players bust is because they are the big man on campus at their program taken from a league where the competition may feature 2 or 3 draft-worthy players and the rest are just guys. When they get introduced to the pro's, they either figure out real quick that their old regimen is not going to keep them in the league or they don't. The guy's that don't fall flat on their face.

Can't argue with that...that is also a big reason for bust.

Yeah I tend to agree with some of that and it all comes back to confidence and a belief in yourself. If you're in the right system with the right team at the right time I think confidence can perpetuate itself - it can also destroy you. I always believed that David Carr could've been a pretty descent QB but he got killed behind a bad line on a bad team and never recovered.

Then there's Mo who for whatever reason played poorly in his rookie season, lost confidence and got hurt. He got crushed by the fan base (deservedly so for all the draft consequences) but then last year seemed to stabalize a bit and gave us a hint he might be turning the corner mentally.

It's a brutal sport physically and mentally and while it's easy for us to dismiss and criticize (it's our job after all) you've got to awfully good to make it. I wish everyone once in their life could get to Oxnard and get on the rope on the practice field where you are only a few feet away and you will be awestruck by the speed and physicality of the game.

It's pretty humbling.
 

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This year that game happens on September 11th, a day before I turn 38, against the team I have learned to hate more than any other NFCE foe: The New York Football Giants. I really hate when the media refers to them like that...but I digress.
You're not the only one who feels that way. Maybe it was cool educating people the difference between two teams having the same name nearly a hundred years ago but the baseball team moved to San Francisco over a half freaking century ago. For Pete's sake, it's bad enough that both New York teams play in New Jersey. Why must people continue to say that an out-of-state team plays football when EVERYBODY knows it already? No one says St. Louis Baseball Cardinals, do they? And that's after the football team moved from Chicago and later packed up for Arizona but has anyone in St. Louis ever been CONFUSED about which team played what sport? Nooooo...

/rant

[edit: lost my mind and was thinking about the rams :p ]
 

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Yeah I tend to agree with some of that and it all comes back to confidence and a belief in yourself. If you're in the right system with the right team at the right time I think confidence can perpetuate itself - it can also destroy you. I always believed that David Carr could've been a pretty descent QB but he got killed behind a bad line on a bad team and never recovered.

Then there's Mo who for whatever reason played poorly in his rookie season, lost confidence and got hurt. He got crushed by the fan base (deservedly so for all the draft consequences) but then last year seemed to stabalize a bit and gave us a hint he might be turning the corner mentally.

It's a brutal sport physically and mentally and while it's easy for us to dismiss and criticize (it's our job after all) you've got to awfully good to make it. I wish everyone once in their life could get to Oxnard and get on the rope on the practice field where you are only a few feet away and you will be awestruck by the speed and physicality of the game.

It's pretty humbling.

(sigh) Dreams that may never come...
 

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People saying get over Zeke pick...bring up the Zeke vs. Ramsey debate the most.

Meanwhile people know that Ramsey isn't Ed Reed but are certain that Zeke is some amalgamation of Adrian Peterson, Emmitt Smith and Ladanian Tomlinson.

Cool story bro.
 

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People saying get over Zeke pick...bring up the Zeke vs. Ramsey debate the most.

Meanwhile people know that Ramsey isn't Ed Reed but are certain that Zeke is some amalgamation of Adrian Peterson, Emmitt Smith and Ladanian Tomlinson.

Cool story bro.

Cool story bro? Really? If Trolling had a theme song, I'm fairly certain it would be called "Cool Story Bro."
 

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People saying get over Zeke pick...bring up the Zeke vs. Ramsey debate the most.

Meanwhile people know that Ramsey isn't Ed Reed but are certain that Zeke is some amalgamation of Adrian Peterson, Emmitt Smith and Ladanian Tomlinson.

Cool story bro.

not yet.
 

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Let me first say, given the choices at #4, I'm so glad we took Zeke over Ramsey, (we took the same player last year Jones) the only other player i wanted more than Zeke was Goff, of course he went #1. It is a shame that at #4, they're weren't better pass rushers available for us to select in this draft class, I wouldn't have been mad, if we took Bosa, but since he went #3, there was no way i would've took Buckner over Zeke. again not a good class for DE's.

Jaylon Smith, is the biggest unknown in this draft class, we tried to trade up for Ogbah, and probably would've took Dodd, but they got taken right before us, That pick suprised, well shocked me, I was never expecting him at #34, We can only hope he recovers to pre-injury form, I would've preferred a trade down actually.

Zak Prescott, has impressed me through his interviews and some of the rookie training camp videos i watched, the only resemblance he has with Tebow, is that he can run down near the goaline, other than that i think he is a pretty accurate passer, I'm hoping he beats out Moore, will shall see.

I agree with your bust thoughts, but not all the draft picks bust cause of money and greed, i think alot of them fail cause measurables, teams and fans get too caught up in 40 times, verticals etc etc, while those are important, you still need to select a good football player period, and one that fits your scheme, and not because he is the best available on everyones list.

RKG's: I think if Garrett had full control of the roster, you wouldn't see guys like Hardy, Randle, and the Randy Gregory's of the world. If Jerry or Stephen want someone, they are going to get him, no matter what Garrett thinks.

I take you don't like Nascar, or Baseball either, i watch some of that, while waiting for preseason to start. thats my 2 cents
 

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Let me first say, given the choices at #4, I'm so glad we took Zeke over Ramsey, (we took the same player last year Jones) the only other player i wanted more than Zeke was Goff, of course he went #1. It is a shame that at #4, they're weren't better pass rushers available for us to select in this draft class, I wouldn't have been mad, if we took Bosa, but since he went #3, there was no way i would've took Buckner over Zeke. again not a good class for DE's.

Jaylon Smith, is the biggest unknown in this draft class, we tried to trade up for Ogbah, and probably would've took Dodd, but they got taken right before us, That pick suprised, well shocked me, I was never expecting him at #34, We can only hope he recovers to pre-injury form, I would've preferred a trade down actually.

Zak Prescott, has impressed me through his interviews and some of the rookie training camp videos i watched, the only resemblance he has with Tebow, is that he can run down near the goaline, other than that i think he is a pretty accurate passer, I'm hoping he beats out Moore, will shall see.

I agree with your bust thoughts, but not all the draft picks bust cause of money and greed, i think alot of them fail cause measurables, teams and fans get too caught up in 40 times, verticals etc etc, while those are important, you still need to select a good football player period, and one that fits your scheme, and not because he is the best available on everyones list.

RKG's: I think if Garrett had full control of the roster, you wouldn't see guys like Hardy, Randle, and the Randy Gregory's of the world. If Jerry or Stephen want someone, they are going to get him, no matter what Garrett thinks.

I take you don't like Nascar, or Baseball either, i watch some of that, while waiting for preseason to start. thats my 2 cents

Great response...thanks for posting.

Zeke was my pet cat..so needless to say, I was thrilled when the commish read his name.

I'm not crazy about the Jaylon Smith pick, but the Cowboys could have drafted another TE in the 2nd round which I'm fairly certain most people would have hated more.

It is so hard to project what a QB is going to do in this era of football, for now I'll be impressed if Dak makes the team.

I agree not all bust are about money, but I'm sure it's something that his always part of the issue.

About the only other sport I can get into is MMA.
 

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...a place where Basketball and Baseball rule the airwaves and dominate sports television shows. For someone who was born and raised a football fan and football only, I feel as though it is a real life version of the television show "Lost." As an aside, I really don't like that show, but my wife is a fan, so I'm familiar with the premise...and right now being a diehard Dallas Cowboys fan feels exactly like that...lost.


The cowboyszone is an oasis, but slake your thirst as much as you like at the zone-trough, you will always find your thirst still there at the end of the day. There is nothing like live-action games that actually mean something to scratch the 7 month itch without football. This year that game happens on September 11th, a day before I turn 38, against the team I have learned to hate more than any other NFCE foe: The New York Football Giants. I really hate when the media refers to them like that...but I digress.



Before I move forward, I think we as a fanship should be able to agree on a few things:

1. With a healthy Romo, this team is closer to the 12 & 4 team of 2014 than the 4 & 12 team of 2015.

2. Ramsey is not Ed Reed. Had he been, I might understand the Zeke hate…in fact, I would have been very torn between Zeke and Ramsey. But since Ramsey is perhaps a better version of Byron Jones, Zeke was the obvious pick. You don’t have to agree, but you do eventually need to get over it.

3. Drafting Jaylin Smith was the equivalent of trading a 2016 2nd round pick for a high 2017 1st round pick. Sure, it was a gamble, but so is every other player drafted in any given year in one way or another.

Despite this dark period, I have had several topics circling the drain of my head. Rather than throw out a bunch of little threads where it becomes necessary to move back and forth between topics, which I do not have time for, I figured I would just mash them up and present them here.

How Stats Lie ~

Quite simply, stats lie because it cannot account for situational football, it does not consider other talent on the same team that the coach also likes to give the ball to, and the data being compiled by various teams are against varied competition and therefore cannot be in any way considered conclusive. To make conclusions using stats and stats alone, without the benefit of context, will likely lead you far and away from reality and an effective strategy.

For example, if coaches looked at stats and stats alone, the running game would systematically disappear, because all the stats suggest you win games by passing the ball and passing the ball alone. Of course, anyone who has watched a good amount of football understands that passing and running are symbiotic. You really can’t have an effective one without a decent other. Without the presence of a decent run game, playaction and draws would be useless devices in the game.

If teams decided to do away with the running back position, you would see the opposing defense bring in 11 corners to stand on the line at the first down marker and swarm all of the passing lanes as the play progresses. For visual reference, think back to playground football, where handing off the ball is only done if a team has a big kid no one can tackle. For the most part, the game played in the park is about passing the ball and therefore conventional pro-style formations are rarely if ever used.

I’m not trying to suggest that stats are useless; but without the benefit of context, stats can be very misleading.

Aaron Levenstein said it best: Staticstics are like bikinis, what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

Therefore, while I expect big things from Zeke, to suggest it was a wasted pick simply because he doesn’t match or improve upon the yards from scrimmage in one season Demarco did two years ago is a very misguided assertion. If the Cowboys are smart, they will limit his touches as compared to what they did to Demarco, to keep him fresh throughout the season and more importantly into the postseason.

Why Players Bust ~

The draft is a crap shoot; an accelerated version of craps, where the odds of rolling 7 or 11 decrease the further you get from your first roll. But what makes it such a gamble?

Players in the first round are rarely if ever described as projects; these are the guys you want to start from day 1. And yet, every year, several players are dubbed bust despite their draft pedigree. It’s not like they of a sudden forgot how to play the game and/or their position. So what happened?

The simple answer is (often times) money. Many of these players go from having nothing to everything. Some might say, “well, I see what you’re saying, but if I of a sudden was rich, I’d do everything I could to keep it!”

That make sense, only there is one problem with saying that now. The poor you is saying that. The rich you will likely have completely different plans; afterall, you can’t take it with you, so you may as well enjoy it while you have it, right? And I’m afraid, for many of these early 20 year old degenerates, that is the mantra they adopt until the Turk comes calling asking for their playbook and to meet the coach in their office.

For some, that is all the slap upside the head they need to figure it out and take advantage of their second chance should it come. Manziel, on the other hand, may never snap out of it for one simple reason: daddy’s rich and he doesn’t have to keep on taking those hits to live better than 90% of the people in the world, so why should he?

So, at the end of the day, when GM’s/and/or team personnel interview these players, the first question they should be asking, once they’ve established a player can play and possibly flourish in their scheme, is what is the first thing they are going to buy after they cash that first check? If they starting listing off all the things they are going to buy themselves, you may want to reconsider them in the next round from whatever round they are being projected. If they are going to take care of their family (e.g. buy mom a house and a car, take care of their kids/wife/girlfriend, family etc) this is a guy you want on your team. Why? Because his performance is about more than him and what it does for him; everything he does is about his family and what he can do for them. This guy is going to work hard at his craft because in his mind that is his only option. The guy that plays for himself and only himself will let himself down.

Granted, it’s not an exact science; but I feel pretty confident.

RKG ~

Since the day Garrett first coined the phrase, mediots, talking-heads, and (unfortunately) zoners alike have truly enjoyed grabbing Garrett by the metaphorical scruff of the neck and rubbing his nose into the acquired players that aren’t choirboys/boy scouts. Part of the issue here is the difference between his definition of RKG and that of everyone else. For many, RKG mean’s a guy who in his spare time rescue puppies and kittens and is constantly on the look-out for old ladies to assist across the street. Just so you know, though, that’s not Garrett definition at all…in fact, the two aren’t even close.

Garrett’s definition is more about the player on the field, the work the player is willing to put in off the field to perfect his craft, and what kind of teammate is said player. Does he help those around him to get better or is he a distraction. Now on that last point, many will likely scream, “but he has brought in distractions.” Fair point. But the problem with that is this consideration: just because a player is not an RKG now, he could become one. And it is that point coupled with cap-induced limitations that makes teams take chances on guys like Hardy. Sometimes it only takes being unceremoniously released from the team that drafted you to finally get it. Others, require more time to wrap their head around what they need to do to stay in the league. And since an organization cannot predict how a player is going to mix with the team, the only thing they can do is throw them in there and hope it works out. Sometimes it does. Other times it doesn’t, as we all saw with Hardy. But if you want an organization that will turn over any stone to find productive players, you will have to deal with the occasional knucklehead.

Thoughts?

2. You are not a scout. And all indications are that this kid will be a pro bowl defensive back. I heard no different from anyone.
3. That certainly makes it sound better. But like some have pointed out, it flies in the face of the theme of the #1 pick, which was "who could help us the most RIGHT NOW" This was NOT a spectacular draft by any stretch.

RKG. Garrett definitely meant that a RKG was a good citizen, hard working, team captain, loves football type guy. That was HIS definition. But over the years when it was obvious Jones didnt care about RKG he had to back track with the media and dumb it down to "on the field stuff only".

That being said, even if your laughable "dumbed down" version of RKG is what Garrett really wanted we have still not followed it. The whole RKG thing is a big running joke. Only guys like you still think it means something. Garrett is not the GM here and until Jerry starts talking and getting ONLY RKG's, that is the only time it will actually happen.
 

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Great response...thanks for posting.

Zeke was my pet cat..so needless to say, I was thrilled when the commish read his name.

I'm not crazy about the Jaylon Smith pick, but the Cowboys could have drafted another TE in the 2nd round which I'm fairly certain most people would have hated more.

It is so hard to project what a QB is going to do in this era of football, for now I'll be impressed if Dak makes the team.

I agree not all bust are about money, but I'm sure it's something that his always part of the issue.

About the only other sport I can get into is MMA.

Dak is in an ideal situation, he won't be rushed into being a rookie starter, and he is on a good offensive team. also forgot to mention he reminds me a little of Russell Wilson.
 
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