Another good game for Maliek Collins

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jack Crawford was supposed to be in that hole. Collins wanted to get to that outside gap. If you consider the outside gap as his primary responsibility, then he is not physically getting blown up. If his only responsibility was the inside gap, then you would say that he got blown up physically.

If he was required to 2-gap, then he made a mental mistake by "peaking" into the outside gap, but he definitely intended to get into the outside gap.

He's lined up at the 3 technique. He is on the guards outside shoulder. If he was supposed to attack the B gap like he does on 90% of his snaps then he was dominated.

If you are right and he was supposed to slant then he failed even harder.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Think about this: we could easily have Snacks Harrison and jenoris Jenkins, if we didn't have T Crawford and Carr

Marinelli would have nixed bringing in a 350 lbs plugger.

Carr was signed 4 years ago and took a paycut to stay.

 

[lukin2006]

I think it was 2007, when the Giants defence got healthy near the end of the season and lead them to a SB, well that what this season is reminding me of...we are getting healthy and playing good defense going into the playoffs, now lets hope the results are the same.

 

[bayeslife]

125th out of 126 DTs

Based on what?

 

[Kolemmitt]

Marinelli would have nixed bringing in a 350 lbs plugger.

Carr was signed 4 years ago and took a paycut to stay.

Hey Fuzzy, thanks for your thoughts on the DL play. What are your thoughts on moving TCrawford back inside to possibly start next to Collins if McClain prices himself out of Dallas next year? I know it would make a light starting duo, but in Marinelli's scheme, could it work? Do you think Crawford is a better LDE or DT? Either way, I agree that having eight quality linemen that have position flex is key.

 

[gmoney112]

And if you are wondering what I am talking about with his strength

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...4363/Zach-Zenner-rushes-for-second-TD-of-game

That is Collins getting driven and turned at the poa by a single block. He has the upper body strength to disengage but that matters little when you are getting bulldozed.

Yeah, that is Warford tagging him up though, who is a bulldozer in his 3rd year in the league. Once he got leverage on him it was over.

With Lee run blitzing, JJ should have been more instinctive filling that gap.

It happens. Collins could definitely add some strength though.

 

[gmoney112]

Hey Fuzzy, thanks for your thoughts on the DL play. What are your thoughts on moving TCrawford back inside to possibly start next to Collins if McClain prices himself out of Dallas next year? I know it would make a light starting duo, but in Marinelli's scheme, could it work? Do you think Crawford is a better LDE or DT? Either way, I agree that having eight quality linemen that have position flex is key.

I think Crawford is still having shoulder issues which affected his ability inside. He was a wrecking ball inside before he was dealing with them. Rotator cuff is a destroyer of worlds for DL.

I like TCraw outside on run downs, mainly because I like big guys at SDE to shut down that edge. If he can get back to where he was before his shoulder injuries, then he's better inside. I don't know about the 1, McClain is like 300 pounds, but TCraw could be depth at the 3 and play the "1" on passing downs, which is basically just another 3.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

He has five sacks...as a rookie. Leon Lett never had more than four in a season. That means Collins is better than Lett ever was. If you disagree, you're a bad fan who hates Collins.

 

[Kolemmitt]

I think Crawford is still having shoulder issues which affected his ability inside. He was a wrecking ball inside before he was dealing with them. Rotator cuff is a destroyer of worlds for DL.

I like TCraw outside on run downs, mainly because I like big guys at SDE to shut down that edge. If he can get back to where he was before his shoulder injuries, then he's better inside. I don't know about the 1, McClain is like 300 pounds, but TCraw could be depth at the 3 and play the "1" on passing downs, which is basically just another 3.

Thanks for the input! I agree about Crawford's shoulder. The injury he had and the subsequent surgery usually takes months to heal properly. I think he will be back to what we thought he would be the next season. Collins is listed at 311. I wonder if Marinelli could figure out a way to play those two as alternating 1's/3's. I do agree that the run defense missed Crawford in the 1st half.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hey Fuzzy, thanks for your thoughts on the DL play. What are your thoughts on moving TCrawford back inside to possibly start next to Collins if McClain prices himself out of Dallas next year? I know it would make a light starting duo, but in Marinelli's scheme, could it work? Do you think Crawford is a better LDE or DT? Either way, I agree that having eight quality linemen that have position flex is key.

The emergence of Collins and Irvin puts things in a bit of a conundrum. I prefer 98 at SDE over 3T because of the wear it takes on him inside. At the same time I prefer Irving at SDE over anyone else on the roster.

Collins has better size and once he has an offseason with Woicik I like him better at 3T over Crawford. Likely what we will see is Crawford stay at SDE and Irving be a super sub that plays a lot.

In no way shape or form do I want 98 at the 1T. Thornton was coming on and I expect next season he will do better as a total body of work. Draft or FA to bring in another 1T if McClain moves on.

My primary concern is someone that can capture the outside shoulder on OT and turn them with quickness off the line at WDE. Gregory has the capability but I fear he is about to be Goodelled. Right now DLaw gets it by default but he has been disappointing and I want competition at the very least.

That being said a first round pick at any position is likely to start. The defense has depth what it needs is stars.

 

[Kolemmitt]

The emergence of Collins and Irvin puts things in a bit of a conundrum. I prefer 98 at SDE over 3T because of the wear it takes on him inside. At the same time I prefer Irving at SDE over anyone else on the roster.

Collins has better size and once he has an offseason with Woicik I like him better at 3T over Crawford. Likely what we will see is Crawford stay at SDE and Irving be a super sub that plays a lot.

In no way shape or form do I want 98 at the 1T. Thornton was coming on and I expect next season he will do better as a total body of work. Draft or FA to bring in another 1T if McClain moves on.

My primary concern is someone that can capture the outside shoulder on OT and turn them with quickness off the line at WDE. Gregory has the capability but I fear he is about to be Goodelled. Right now DLaw gets it by default but he has been disappointing and I want competition at the very least.

That being said a first round pick at any position is likely to start. The defense has depth what it needs is stars.

Thanks! I agree that we could see TCrawford continue as the SDE and have Irving be the super sub at all the spots for the playoffs and maybe even next year. I haven't given up on DLaw, I think his play this year has been affected by his back injury, but I also wonder if his natural spot is also the SDE, which is a spot that we have covered. I agree that this line needs one star to move to the next level. I was watching the '92 championship game and all three spots rotated a ton, except for good ol' 94.

Thanks for the insights!

 

[waving monkey]

The reason we desperately need to add more DL is to replace Crawford. Besides WDE where is it needed? Not at 1 and 3.

Upgrade where ever possible. If BPA is availble at D1 or D3 then take him.
There are always exceptions like kicker ect. but I wouldn't mind more talent anywhere along the d/line

 

[MSCowboyFan]

Collins and Irving are going to special for us no doubt.

With this offense and draft focusing on more DL depth ...we are looking at another dynasty.

We very well could be. Focus on shoring up that front 7 next season: a couple more D.Ends, another LB and another stout DT in free agency and I'll be happy. I want the draft and Free agency to focus on our D in a big way. Maybe pick up another WR in free agency.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thanks! I agree that we could see TCrawford continue as the SDE and have Irving be the super sub at all the spots for the playoffs and maybe even next year. I haven't given up on DLaw, I think his play this year has been affected by his back injury, but I also wonder if his natural spot is also the SDE, which is a spot that we have covered. I agree that this line needs one star to move to the next level. I was watching the '92 championship game and all three spots rotated a ton, except for good ol' 94.

Thanks for the insights!

I haven't given up on anyone on the roster but DLaw worries me. He has been hurt 2 out of 3 years and is already in stage 2 of the drug program.

I agree that his play itself has been hindered by injury but players tend to get more hurt as they age not the reverse.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

And if you are wondering what I am talking about with his strength

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...4363/Zach-Zenner-rushes-for-second-TD-of-game

That is Collins getting driven and turned at the poa by a single block. He has the upper body strength to disengage but that matters little when you are getting bulldozed.

It's the same issue he showed while at Nebraska. There's a bunch of his games from his last year in which he was getting moved out of the hole and down-the-line. Collins weird in that he physically looks like traditional plugger (but doesn't play that way), but he moves with the agility of a much leaner player.

 

[Scandri100]

Key with collins is it looks like he has so much more room to grow, i'm excited about his potential the sky is the limit it seems.

 

[Risen Star]

He has five sacks...as a rookie. Leon Lett never had more than four in a season. That means Collins is better than Lett ever was. If you disagree, you're a bad fan who hates Collins.

Fan math. Can't dispute it.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Mario Addison is a free agent next year. He currently has 9 sacks and 13 QB hits. His last contract was 1 year 1.28 million.

Calais Campbell will also be available. Any interest in these two guys?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Mario Addison is a free agent next year. He currently has 9 sacks and 13 QB hits. His last contract was 1 year 1.28 million.

Calais Campbell will also be available. Any interest in these two guys?

Don't know about Addison, but if Campbell wants to come in on a cheap, short term "I wanna win a Super Bowl before I retire" contract I'd be intrigued.

 

[gmoney112]

Mario Addison is a free agent next year. He currently has 9 sacks and 13 QB hits. His last contract was 1 year 1.28 million.

Calais Campbell will also be available. Any interest in these two guys?

I think Campbell will end up staying in AZ.

Addison is going to get a good chunk of money. I'd like to have him, but he may be too expensive. Ayers is 2 years older and got 19.5 over 3, 10.5 guaranteed. With the salary cap going up again, i'd expect him to get 7 mill a year, 12+ guaranteed.

I also imagine Carolina is going to try and keep him. The good thing is, it'd save us some money in case we decide not to extend DLaw after next season, and give us some time to develop our own first rounder we draft this year.

The FO has been incredibly averse to vets though, even though I think he'd be a good choice if you're going to go after a pass rush.