Another Positive about having a top 5 pick

[darthseinfeld]

We may not feel the need to bring in as many first round prospects visits as we did the past couple years. I see them bringing a few targets at 4 for and a couple trade down targets.

This could allow us to get a more in depth look at prospects slated to go in other rounds than in years past and could lead to better production from our mid round players

 

[Irvin88_4life]

No thanks. They didn't bring in Claiborne and you see how that turned out

 

[darthseinfeld]

No thanks. They didn't bring in Claiborne and you see how that turned out

I dont think you got the point.

With a smaller we wont have to dedicate as many visits to first round talent as we did in the past few years where it seemed like almost half our visits we players that were candidates for our first rounder

 

[jterrell]

I get what you are saying but I don't really buy it.
I think they bring in a lot of guys.
The maximum allowed as usual.

Guys they like at 4, 10, 15, 25 et al.
I suspect they can identify the value on a handful of guys and then how to best get to that spot.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I get what you are saying but I don't really buy it.
I think they bring in a lot of guys.
The maximum allowed as usual.

Guys they like at 4, 10, 15, 25 et al.
I suspect they can identify the value on a handful of guys and then how to best get to that spot.

Im not saying they wont use the max. Im saying they wont have to use as many visits on first round guys. They have a much narrower range in the first, allowing the to bring more guy from rounds 2-7 then in the past

 

[jterrell]

Im not saying they wont use the max. Im saying they wont have to use as many visits on first round guys. They have a much narrower range in the first, allowing the to bring more guy from rounds 2-7 then in the past

I understand and am arguing the opposite. LOL.
I think they'll bring in R1 guys across the spectrum as prep for trade options.
They may well end up with that high 2 in here but after that it will likely be Dallas Day guys like usual if they come in.
I don't think they'll burn many if any visit allotments on guys later in the draft.

One really large benefit is they had the Senior Bowl squad so are 20 or so players ahead of everyone else that didn't coach a squad there.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I understand and am arguing the opposite. LOL.
I think they'll bring in R1 guys across the spectrum as prep for trade options.
They may well end up with that high 2 in here but after that it will likely be Dallas Day guys like usual if they come in.
I don't think they'll burn many if any visit allotments on guys later in the draft.

One really large benefit is they had the Senior Bowl squad so are 20 or so players ahead of everyone else that didn't coach a squad there.

I think they will bring in some mid/late first guys but I still dont the same numbers as we did the last couple of years where I believe we had 15 or prospects rated in the top 45 by CBs. I think we will see more guys in the late 2nd, post 3rd and 4th round range then in years before

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I dont think you got the point.

With a smaller we wont have to dedicate as many visits to first round talent as we did in the past few years where it seemed like almost half our visits we players that were candidates for our first rounder

I still disagree and you missed my point. By not bringing in a guy like Watt for a visit because he is rated 10-15 then we miss out on a great prospect. This draft is deep and if we can trade back, pick up extra picks, and still grab a player that has a close to equal talent level as a top 5-10 pick why not being them in.

We can't afford to miss out in the first 3 rounds but we must hit in the first period. Not willing to give up a talent because we want to look at 5-7 round talent.

If we are sure and scouts agree that Wentz is the only one we need then get him but you still need to bring in other guys do a team doesn't trade in front to take our player. Why give opponents a shorter list?

 

[darthseinfeld]

I still disagree and you missed my point. By not bringing in a guy like Watt for a visit because he is rated 10-15 then we miss out on a great prospect. This draft is deep and if we can trade back, pick up extra picks, and still grab a player that has a close to equal talent level as a top 5-10 pick why not being them in.

We can't afford to miss out in the first 3 rounds but we must hit in the first period. Not willing to give up a talent because we want to look at 5-7 round talent.

If we are sure and scouts agree that Wentz is the only one we need then get him but you still need to bring in other guys do a team doesn't trade in front to take our player. Why give opponents a shorter list?

We did bring in Watt for a visit

But I see your point. However, picking that high your range is short as to who you are looking for at that pick. And at that point they will probably have ot narrowed down to 2 or 3 guys they are really interested in spending that pick on, and may have 2 or 3 guys they are looking at in a trade down. Then you may have a couple you may be interested in trading up for with the 2nd. The amount of resources you NEED to spend to make that 4th overall pick aren't what they were when we were picking in the middle of the round. You have more options. Think last year, do you think after bringing in those CB' s that maybe they would have liked to bringin Waynes too? Probably, but considering they had no chance of drafting without a costly trade they didnt want to spend the resourses bringing him in for a visit.

You may disagree on how to use the options, but you have to agree that we more options in years past. Personally I feel we have been excellent in tbe first round the past years ( outside of Mo) and awfull in the mid to late portions of the draft. We arent hitting on those picks and our roster is starting to show ot trotting out garbage like Devin Street or talking about resigning scrubs loke Mincey because we are swinging and missing on DE's. I have every confidence this team can hit on its first rounder. Even it's 2nd. 4th and beyond I have almost none that we will get any useful players and at best we will vet a decent backup like Hitchens.

Its all a matter of opinion and perspective

 

[Irvin88_4life]

We did bring in Watt for a visit

But I see your point. However, picking that high your range is short as to who you are looking for at that pick. And at that point they will probably have ot narrowed down to 2 or 3 guys they are really interested in spending that pick on, and may have 2 or 3 guys they are looking at in a trade down. Then you may have a couple you may be interested in trading up for with the 2nd. The amount of resources you NEED to spend to make that 4th overall pick aren't what they were when we were picking in the middle of the round. You have more options. Think last year, do you think after bringing in those CB' s that maybe they would have liked to bringin Waynes too? Probably, but considering they had no chance of drafting without a costly trade they didnt want to spend the resourses bringing him in for a visit.

You may disagree on how to use the options, but you have to agree that we more options in years past. Personally I feel we have been excellent in tbe first round the past years ( outside of Mo) and awfull in the mid to late portions of the draft. We arent hitting on those picks and our roster is starting to show ot trotting out garbage like Devin Street or talking about resigning scrubs loke Mincey because we are swinging and missing on DE's. I have every confidence this team can hit on its first rounder. Even it's 2nd. 4th and beyond I have almost none that we will get any useful players and at best we will vet a decent backup like Hitchens.

Its all a matter of opinion and perspective

What DEs ate you talking about we are swinging and missing? Dlaw was our best DL this season and Gregory was a rookie who was hurt the majority of the season.

At the same time if you bring in 8 guys like you suggesting in first round teams will know what we are targeting. Bring in guys that can help our football team, don't being in more 4-7 round options cause you want to have more production from those rounds. Most teams don't have those rounds make it as starters to begin with. Rounds 1-4 is where we need to be. Site being in later round guys but with a certain amount to bring in I'm not wasting it on players that most likely don't make the team.

Slice it however you want but that's the truth.

 

[big dog cowboy]

We did bring in Watt for a visit

He thought there was at least a 50% or better chance he would be a Cowboy. If Flozell had played one more year or Tyron not fell to us he would have been.

 

[darthseinfeld]

What DEs ate you talking about we are swinging and missing? Dlaw was our best DL this season and Gregory was a rookie who was hurt the majority of the season.

At the same time if you bring in 8 guys like you suggesting in first round teams will know what we are targeting. Bring in guys that can help our football team, don't being in more 4-7 round options cause you want to have more production from those rounds. Most teams don't have those rounds make it as starters to begin with. Rounds 1-4 is where we need to be. Site being in later round guys but with a certain amount to bring in I'm not wasting it on players that most likely don't make the team.

Slice it however you want but that's the truth.

Russell, that guy we drafted the year before from Stanford whatever his name is. Those are guys that are keeping worthless players like Mincey on the team. Outside Hitchens we have practically nothing from guys on Day 3 the last 3 drafts.

When you have top 4 pick the range of players you are going to be looking at at that pick shrinks not expands. Picking that high means we are not bound to bringing in as many first round prospects as we did in the last couple years to ensure we make a sound pick. How many different players do we need to consider at four? 5? 6? 7 or 8 max. And that will pretty much cover guys we we want at 4 and guys we want in a trade down.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Russell, that guy we drafted the year before from Stanford whatever his name is. Those are guys that are keeping worthless players like Mincey on the team. Outside Hitchens we have practically nothing from guys on Day 3 the last 3 drafts.

When you have top 4 pick the range of players you are going to be looking at at that pick shrinks not expands. Picking that high means we are not bound to bringing in as many first round prospects as we did in the last couple years to ensure we make a sound pick. How many different players do we need to consider at four? 5? 6? 7 or 8 max. And that will pretty much cover guys we we want at 4 and guys we want in a trade down.

What round was Russell drafted in? Not only that he was a rookie this year. You are out your mind if you think a late round rookie is jumping to starter with 2,3,4 guys in front of him. Has it happened sure but highly unlikely even if you brought every player in

 

[darthseinfeld]

What round was Russell drafted in? Not only that he was a rookie this year. You are out your mind if you think a late round rookie is jumping to starter with 2,3,4 guys in front of him. Has it happened sure but highly unlikely even if you brought every player in

Who said anything about expecting him to be a starter?

 

[Rockport]

No thanks. They didn't bring in Claiborne and you see how that turned out

Oh so Claiborne didn't pan out so the Cowboys should just give up? SMH at fans.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Oh so Claiborne didn't pan out so the Cowboys should just give up? SMH at fans.

What are you talking about. Learn to comprehend before replying thank you

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Who said anything about expecting him to be a starter?

You said guys like Russell (7th round rookie) is the reason Mincey is on the team. .....Mincey was a starter so for Russell to push Mincey off the roster you need a late round rookie to beat Gregory and Mincey.......not gonna happen

 

[darthseinfeld]

You said guys like Russell (7th round rookie) is the reason Mincey is on the team. .....Mincey was a starter so for Russell to push Mincey off the roster you need a late round rookie to beat Gregory and Mincey.......not gonna happen

Mincey was a starter until Hardy back and did practicaly nothing all year and odds are he will be back again because we dont have anyone else to replace him

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Mincey was a starter until Hardy back and did practicaly nothing all year and odds are he will be back again because we dont have anyone else to replace him

Odds are Hardy won't be back. Nice try avoiding the real question. Anyways you seem to argue just to argue.

Glad your aren't in Jerry and company decision making

 

[egn22]

Well this thread backfired lol. Man the dedication to the argument is great around here. No backing down!